Michael Pachla: Disco(rd) Dan Bylsma "dancing" with Gus during practice yesterday The two have an unusually long discussion

First...slow day in here today

I really don't understand his penchant for changing that often, especially when you see a combo that seems like it might work. I can see maybe swapping a couple guys in the top six but he's constantly moving guys up and down the chart.

Btw, am I first?

Damnit, just missed

seems like youre getting a bit ahead of yourself four games in.

I think it is a matter of finding who works well with the "pairs" that Bylsma is working with.

Kane/Eichel and O'Reilly/Ennis seem to be inseparable. I would like to see some consistency, but it has been tough to figure out who is best suited to play with each of them.

Michael Pachla: Disco(rd) Dan Bylsma "dancing" with Gus during practice yesterday
The two have an unusually long discussion
- Michael Pachla

I read last night weber was going to be scratched

quote:

"seems like youre getting a bit ahead of yourself four games in"

maybe...but I didn't spend 10 minutes talking to Bylsma during practice

I think it is a matter of finding who works well with the "pairs" that Bylsma is working with.

Kane/Eichel and O'Reilly/Ennis seem to be inseparable. I would like to see some consistency, but it has been tough to figure out who is best suited to play with each of them.
- thatsapickle

well, the kane/Eichel/Girgensons line kicked ass to the point where they almost pulled the game out...

dumping Girgensons so that a player like reinhart, who's nothing more than a powerplay specialist to this point, just doesn't make sense to me

well, the kane/Eichel/Girgensons line kicked ass to the point where they almost pulled the game out...

dumping Girgensons so that a player like reinhart, who's nothing more than a powerplay specialist to this point, just doesn't make sense to me
- Michael Pachla

I think you nailed down what we were all thinking for a while, Michael.

There's a lot of pairs on this team, Eichel/Kane, ROR/Ennis, Deslauriers/Legwand.. but there's a lot more players in flux than constants. And I know the preseason is determining who plays where the best, but this juggling needs to end sooner rather than later.

Girgensons is (bare with me) like Benn.. this teams best utility player. Can play on the 1st or fourth. of course he's not as offensively gifted.. but he should really find a home quick while the team is healthy. When an injury arrives, he's great at moving around. But with a full lineup, I hope Disco can just stick him in one spot for at least a few games.

Is Reinhart ever going to be Reinhart and not some (frank)ing skunk.

The kid needs to physically develop still. He doesn't stink. And I really don't get why people think he does.

I think you nailed down what we were all thinking for a while, Michael.

There's a lot of pairs on this team, Eichel/Kane, ROR/Ennis, Deslauriers/Legwand.. but there's a lot more players in flux than constants. And I know the preseason is determining who plays where the best, but this juggling needs to end sooner rather than later.

Girgensons is (bare with me) like Benn.. this teams best utility player. Can play on the 1st or fourth. of course he's not as offensively gifted.. but he should really find a home quick while the team is healthy. When an injury arrives, he's great at moving around. But with a full lineup, I hope Disco can just stick him in one spot for at least a few games.
- TheSabresTaco

Girgens is a player that can run the 3rd line and still get 19 minutes a game after special team time on the ice


IMO that is the best way to use him, while figuring out what to do with the big stink

Is Reinhart ever going to be Reinhart and not some (frank)ing skunk.

The kid needs to physically develop still. He doesn't stink. And I really don't get why people think he does.
- TheSabresTaco

nope

Is Reinhart ever going to be Reinhart and not some (frank)ing skunk.

The kid needs to physically develop still. He doesn't stink. And I really don't get why people think he does.
- TheSabresTaco

Does anyone really think he's bad? Or is it more concern that he might just never be more than pretty good? I have full confidence he will be pretty good. I just have concern he will never be your typical 2nd overall pick good

Does anyone really think he's bad? Or is it more concern that he might just never be more than pretty good? I have full confidence he will be pretty good. I just have concern he will never be your typical 2nd overall pick good
- sbroads24

http://www.mynhldraft.com...-picks/2nd-overall/20509/

tell me 20 players on this list who are probably clear cut better better


triple dog dare



2nd Overall NHL Draft Picks
Year Player Pos. Drafted From Drafted By
2013 Aleksander Barkov C Tappara (FIN) Florida Panthers
2012 Ryan Murray D Everett (WHL) Columbus Blue Jackets
2011 Gabriel Landeskog LW Kitchener (OHL) Colorado Avalanche
2010 Tyler Seguin C Plymouth (OHL) Boston Bruins
2009 Victor Hedman D Modo (Swe) Tampa Bay Lightning
2008 Drew Doughty D Guelph Los Angeles Kings
2007 James VanRiemsdyk LW US Under-18 Philadelphia Flyers
2006 Jordan Staal C Peterborough (OHL) Pittsburgh Penguins
2005 Bobby Ryan RW Owen Sound Attack (OHL) Anaheim Ducks
2004 Evgeny Malkin C Magnitogorsk Metallurg (Russia) Pittsburgh Penguins
2003 Eric Staal C Peterborough Petes (OHL) Carolina Hurricanes
2002 Kari Lehtonen G Jokerit Helsinki (FNL) Atlanta Thrashers
2001 Jason Spezza C Windsor Spitfires (OHL) Ottawa Senators
2000 Dany Heatley LW U. of Wisconsin (NCAA) Atlanta Thrashers
1999 Daniel Sedin LW Modo Hockey Ornskoldsvik (SEL) Vancouver Canucks
1998 David Legwand C Plymouth Whalers (OHL) Nashville Predators
1997 Patrick Marleau C Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) San Jose Sharks
1996 Andrei Zyuzin D Salavat Yulajev (Russia) San Jose Sharks
1995 Wade Redden D Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL) New York Islanders
1994 Oleg Tverdovsky D Krylja Sovetov (Russia) Anaheim Ducks
1993 Chris Pronger D Peterborough Petes (OHL) Hartford Whalers
1992 Alexei Yashin C Moscow Dynamo (Russia) Ottawa Senators
1991 Pat Falloon RW Spokane Chiefs (WHL) San Jose Sharks
1990 Petr Nedved LW Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) Vancouver Canucks
1989 Dave Chyzowski LW Kamloops Blazers (WHL) New York Islanders
1988 Trevor Linden C Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) Vancouver Canucks
1987 Brendan Shanahan LW London Knights (OHL) New Jersey Devils
1986 Jimmy Carson C Verdun Junior Canadiens (QMJHL) Los Angeles Kings
1985 Craig Simpson LW Michigan State University (NCAA) Pittsburgh Penguins
1984 Kirk Muller C Guelph Platers (OHL) New Jersey Devils
1983 Sylvain Turgeon LW Hull Olympiques (QMJHL) Hartford Whalers
1981 Doug Smith F Ottawa 67's (OHL) Los Angeles Kings
1980 Dave Babych D Portland Winter Hawks (WHL) Winnipeg Jets

http://www.mynhldraft.com/nhl-draft-picks/2nd-overall/20509/

tell me 20 players on this list who are probably clear cut better better


triple dog dare



2nd Overall NHL Draft Picks
Year Player Pos. Drafted From Drafted By
2013 Aleksander Barkov C Tappara (FIN) Florida Panthers
2012 Ryan Murray D Everett (WHL) Columbus Blue Jackets
2011 Gabriel Landeskog LW Kitchener (OHL) Colorado Avalanche
2010 Tyler Seguin C Plymouth (OHL) Boston Bruins
2009 Victor Hedman D Modo (Swe) Tampa Bay Lightning
2008 Drew Doughty D Guelph Los Angeles Kings
2007 James VanRiemsdyk LW US Under-18 Philadelphia Flyers
2006 Jordan Staal C Peterborough (OHL) Pittsburgh Penguins
2005 Bobby Ryan RW Owen Sound Attack (OHL) Anaheim Ducks
2004 Evgeny Malkin C Magnitogorsk Metallurg (Russia) Pittsburgh Penguins
2003 Eric Staal C Peterborough Petes (OHL) Carolina Hurricanes
2002 Kari Lehtonen G Jokerit Helsinki (FNL) Atlanta Thrashers
2001 Jason Spezza C Windsor Spitfires (OHL) Ottawa Senators
2000 Dany Heatley LW U. of Wisconsin (NCAA) Atlanta Thrashers
1999 Daniel Sedin LW Modo Hockey Ornskoldsvik (SEL) Vancouver Canucks
1998 David Legwand C Plymouth Whalers (OHL) Nashville Predators
1997 Patrick Marleau C Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) San Jose Sharks
1996 Andrei Zyuzin D Salavat Yulajev (Russia) San Jose Sharks
1995 Wade Redden D Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL) New York Islanders
1994 Oleg Tverdovsky D Krylja Sovetov (Russia) Anaheim Ducks
1993 Chris Pronger D Peterborough Petes (OHL) Hartford Whalers
1992 Alexei Yashin C Moscow Dynamo (Russia) Ottawa Senators
1991 Pat Falloon RW Spokane Chiefs (WHL) San Jose Sharks
1990 Petr Nedved LW Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) Vancouver Canucks
1989 Dave Chyzowski LW Kamloops Blazers (WHL) New York Islanders
1988 Trevor Linden C Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) Vancouver Canucks
1987 Brendan Shanahan LW London Knights (OHL) New Jersey Devils
1986 Jimmy Carson C Verdun Junior Canadiens (QMJHL) Los Angeles Kings
1985 Craig Simpson LW Michigan State University (NCAA) Pittsburgh Penguins
1984 Kirk Muller C Guelph Platers (OHL) New Jersey Devils
1983 Sylvain Turgeon LW Hull Olympiques (QMJHL) Hartford Whalers
1981 Doug Smith F Ottawa 67's (OHL) Los Angeles Kings
1980 Dave Babych D Portland Winter Hawks (WHL) Winnipeg Jets
- homiedclown

I'm not gonna go through this whole list, but what exactly has Reinhart done to show he's anything like John Tavares who someone previously compared him to?

http://www.mynhldraft.com/nhl-draft-picks/2nd-overall/20509/

tell me 20 players on this list who are probably clear cut better better


triple dog dare



2nd Overall NHL Draft Picks
Year Player Pos. Drafted From Drafted By
2013 Aleksander Barkov C Tappara (FIN) Florida Panthers
2012 Ryan Murray D Everett (WHL) Columbus Blue Jackets
2011 Gabriel Landeskog LW Kitchener (OHL) Colorado Avalanche
2010 Tyler Seguin C Plymouth (OHL) Boston Bruins
2009 Victor Hedman D Modo (Swe) Tampa Bay Lightning
2008 Drew Doughty D Guelph Los Angeles Kings
2007 James VanRiemsdyk LW US Under-18 Philadelphia Flyers
2006 Jordan Staal C Peterborough (OHL) Pittsburgh Penguins
2005 Bobby Ryan RW Owen Sound Attack (OHL) Anaheim Ducks
2004 Evgeny Malkin C Magnitogorsk Metallurg (Russia) Pittsburgh Penguins
2003 Eric Staal C Peterborough Petes (OHL) Carolina Hurricanes
2002 Kari Lehtonen G Jokerit Helsinki (FNL) Atlanta Thrashers
2001 Jason Spezza C Windsor Spitfires (OHL) Ottawa Senators
2000 Dany Heatley LW U. of Wisconsin (NCAA) Atlanta Thrashers
1999 Daniel Sedin LW Modo Hockey Ornskoldsvik (SEL) Vancouver Canucks
1998 David Legwand C Plymouth Whalers (OHL) Nashville Predators
1997 Patrick Marleau C Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) San Jose Sharks
1996 Andrei Zyuzin D Salavat Yulajev (Russia) San Jose Sharks
1995 Wade Redden D Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL) New York Islanders
1994 Oleg Tverdovsky D Krylja Sovetov (Russia) Anaheim Ducks
1993 Chris Pronger D Peterborough Petes (OHL) Hartford Whalers
1992 Alexei Yashin C Moscow Dynamo (Russia) Ottawa Senators
1991 Pat Falloon RW Spokane Chiefs (WHL) San Jose Sharks
1990 Petr Nedved LW Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) Vancouver Canucks
1989 Dave Chyzowski LW Kamloops Blazers (WHL) New York Islanders
1988 Trevor Linden C Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) Vancouver Canucks
1987 Brendan Shanahan LW London Knights (OHL) New Jersey Devils
1986 Jimmy Carson C Verdun Junior Canadiens (QMJHL) Los Angeles Kings
1985 Craig Simpson LW Michigan State University (NCAA) Pittsburgh Penguins
1984 Kirk Muller C Guelph Platers (OHL) New Jersey Devils
1983 Sylvain Turgeon LW Hull Olympiques (QMJHL) Hartford Whalers
1981 Doug Smith F Ottawa 67's (OHL) Los Angeles Kings
1980 Dave Babych D Portland Winter Hawks (WHL) Winnipeg Jets
- homiedclown

Could make a case for a few others on here as well. Could change over time but right now he's just not tough enough to make up for the foot speed out there.

Could make a case for a few others on here as well. Could change over time but right now he's just not tough enough to make up for the foot speed out there.
- Sabresfan-365

Considering Landeskog had a 52 point season at 19, I'd say he's an example as well

Considering Landeskog had a 52 point season at 19, I'd say he's an example as well
- sbroads24

I still think there's a decent ceiling for him but it's clear that the scouting reports on his readiness were way off. I think Physically he's got a ways to go but once he gets there he'll be an invaluable player in the top 6.

I still think there's a decent ceiling for him but it's clear that the scouting reports on his readiness were way off. I think Physically he's got a ways to go but once he gets there he'll be an invaluable player in the top 6.
- Sabresfan-365

He's without a doubt going to be a good, smart player. But people acting like he should be handed a top line spot (especially with the decent amount of talent here now) are getting ahead of themselves

When you only score two goals in the first two games the coach is going to start juggling lines. Bylsma is expected to win some games and wants to keep his job safe. What is he supposed to do? Wait for them to score twenty goals in the first twenty games until he makes some line changes?
it had better stop soon? We are only four games in, and not likely when we average a measly 2 goals a game.

He's without a doubt going to be a good, smart player. But people acting like he should be handed a top line spot (especially with the decent amount of talent here now) are getting ahead of themselves
- sbroads24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCPJhGBBJo

Needs to add some of that back into his game.

When you only score two goals in the first two games the coach is going to start juggling lines. Bylsma is expected to win some games and wants to keep his job safe. What is he supposed to do? Wait for them to score twenty goals in the first twenty games until he makes some line changes?
it had better stop soon? We are only four games in, and not likely when we average a measly 2 goals a game.
- SabresPanacea

The problem is he juggled lines since the opener. His job is no where in jeopardy. The issue most have is he doesn't give himself enough time to judge how a line is going. If they have a bad shift or two he makes changes mid-game. He needs to give it some time not a few shifts. The season is 4 games in, if it was game 30 then I can see it, not game 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCPJhGBBJo

Needs to add some of that back into his game.
- Sabresfan-365

No, no he doesn't

He needs to add more of this to his game;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CguBewD2LSQ

1:04 mark

No, no he doesn't

He needs to add more of this to his game;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CguBewD2LSQ

1:04 mark
- Stripes77

i was mostly joking, in reference to my point about him getting a bit tougher.