at least he has Holmgren to lean on for guidance
- funmaster18

this organization will finally win a cup when Snider, Homey and Clarkie move on

Vinny's is bad, but he's only here for a max. 2 more years. AMac has 4 more years on his. Sure, they can waive him and save roughly $500K more that they can due to Vinny's NMC, but after Vinny and Umberger are gone, AMac will still be around to haunt us.
- jmatchett383

AMac - the Ghost of Christmas past...

Never said anything about enjoying losses. You just have to keep it in perspective and recognize it is the smartest way out of the situation the Flyers are in.
- YuenglingJagr

Just want to add that it is easier to do this with a person in charge of the hockey team that has already done this and proven it works

He is delusional. His best shot of getting out of here would have been to go to the Phantoms and put on a clinic since he believes himself to still be a competent NHLer.

He knows he can't even cut it down there.
- hereticpride

Honestly, were I Vinny, I'd inquire about playing overseas (family matters may be an issue). If he can go to Europe and play well, an NHL team may come calling for him. Salary, however, would have to be in the $2.5M range to be comparable.

you honestly can't think of anyone here that likes watching them suck?


- funmaster18

Good point. Sad isn't it.

Honestly, were I Vinny, I'd inquire about playing overseas (family matters may be an issue). If he can go to Europe and play well, an NHL team may come calling for him. Salary, however, would have to be in the $2.5M range to be comparable.
- jmatchett383

That was one of the options I said he should pursue all along. He can still compete in those leagues and make a pretty penny doing so.

But at this point I feel he may have sat on his hands for too long. He's toast.

I agree that the 2 year deal is more ideal...but AMacs deal is at least movable. I do think that a retained salary trade can be made. It doesnt have to happen this season either. Within the next year or two I think AMac will be playing on the Flyers and will eventually be traded with retained salary. It is not a ride it out until it dies situation
- YuenglingJagr

MacDonald at $2.5 million is still an expensive 3rd pair defenseman. Teams are more likely to give that job to cheap rookies or vets making less in shorter terms. As the true superstars get more and more highly paid role players will get less and less which is also bad news for moving Read. The Flyers will be stuck with MacDonald for another 3 years at the very least.

Completely off-topic, but a reason to burn an entire city down:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/1...-invasion-feat/index.html

MacDonald at $2.5 million is still an expensive 3rd pair defenseman. Teams are more likely to give that job to cheap rookies or vets making less in shorter terms. As the true superstars get more and more highly paid role players will get less and less which is also bad news for moving Read. The Flyers will be stuck with MacDonald for another 3 years at the very least.
- psuhockey

I still like my idea of AMac and a 2nd to a team with a ton of cap room for a 5th. It's a can't say no scenario.

And yes, I already know exactly who hates that offer.

I still like my idea of AMac and a 2nd to a team with a ton of cap room for a 5th. It's a can't say no scenario.

And yes, I already know exactly who hates that offer.
- hereticpride

I would never trade a 2nd for a 5th just to unload salary. A 3rd, maybe.

He'd certainly be easier to trade if he was on the last year of his contract, as that would expand the market for him, but Read is a very good 3rd line player, that a good team could use. Plays a strong 2 way game and can skate.
- MJL

Please name me 1 guy that was signed this offseason for a cap hit similar to Read's that is as good as Read.

Belesky? Williams? Frolik? There are several players that signed for significantly less that match the description you just wrote. Belesky is the only rock you have to stand on there and he had a much more productive season than Read

MacDonald at $2.5 million is still an expensive 3rd pair defenseman. Teams are more likely to give that job to cheap rookies or vets making less in shorter terms. As the true superstars get more and more highly paid role players will get less and less which is also bad news for moving Read. The Flyers will be stuck with MacDonald for another 3 years at the very least.
- psuhockey

Right this moment 2.5 might look bad but I think AMac is better than a cheap rookie or vet and a competitive team might want to have a more reliable 5th or 6th defensemen. Around 3million is certainly reasonable for AMac I believe

I would never trade a 2nd for a 5th just to unload salary. A 3rd, maybe.
- jmatchett383

Since they can bury him, I dont think they need to trade him to unload salary

I would never trade a 2nd for a 5th just to unload salary. A 3rd, maybe.
- jmatchett383

Then make it a 3rd and a 6th.

When your vet Streit goes down and you opt for the rookie and when Manning consistently plays like trash and AMac still doesn't get considered it puts me into believing that his contract is truly dead cap. I'll make the trade off with the picks to free up money to extend players in the coming years here that are part of the picture going forward and not stuck in some black hole of nothingness to the origination.

Isn't it amazing that when Streit was placed on LTIR and they had the cap space available, they still didn't recall Amac. What a complete waste. Holmgren has set this franchise back 5 years with the Amacs, Lecavaliers, and other awful transactions.
- PLindbergh31

hextall part of the management team that signed them both no?

Some observations from last nights game:

I was mildly surprised at how many empty seats/no shows there were, especially on a night when they were honoring a player as popular as Brind'amour.

Congrats again to Brind'amour, he gave a great speech. This came as no surprise as he was always one of the classiest players both on and off the ice.

The Flyers played pretty well for most of the 2nd period and on and off during the 1st. However, they completely stopped skating during the 3rd. They were lucky that Carolina decided not to bother to show up until the 3rd period. It sadly seemed like a case of a bad team beating a worse one last night.

I thought both Giroux and Couturier had strong games and Bellemare, as usual, played his role very well. Two forwards who really showed me nothing last night were Simmonds and Raffl, the Flyers need more from those 2. Also Read didn't show much either. Voracek and B. Schenn were solid and the rest were ok.

The D looks even worse in person. Gudas seems to be constantly out of position chasing hits and I can't even count how many times he and Del Zotto ended up in the same corner in their own zone. Manning is a #7 at best and Schultz wasn't terrible, but he just seems to do nothing particularly well. Luke Schenn looked so-so, and that's probably as much as you are going to get from him. Ghost made a sweet play on the GWG and also made some very nice passes that the Flyers stone hand forwards often flubbed. He made a few mistakes in the D zone here and there, but overall he looked pretty good and he definitely belongs in the NHL.

Lastly, Neuvirth had a very strong game. He made a couple of fantastic saves in the 3rd and kept them alive and able to make it to OT.
- BiggE

I was happy you got to see a good game.
Brind'Amour is the man. He truly was an ideal Flyer.

Please name me 1 guy that was signed this offseason for a cap hit similar to Read's that is as good as Read.

Belesky? Williams? Frolik? There are several players that signed for significantly less that match the description you just wrote. Belesky is the only rock you have to stand on there and he had a much more productive season than Read
- YuenglingJagr

Why would any of those three be available in a trade?

I view last night's game as forward progress.
RB crushed his speech last night.

Nice to see the AMac and VL crying is still happening here on HB though. Consistency is comforting.

hextall part of the management team that signed them both no?
- rinaldo

Amac...not vinny

You have absolutely 0 experience as a pro athlete recovering from and injury and what you did to recover from an injury means absolutely nothing to me. The physical recovery from an ACL injury is much shorter than a year or two, and the "full recovery" you speak of is more often mental.

I dont feel the need to cite actual sources as a rebuttal to you because your argument is so completely wrong and everyone knows it. I am sure if you spent as much as 30 seconds googling this issue you would realize you are clueless.
- YuenglingJagr

this board will change its stance constantly so long as it supports whatever the flyers do... yea just because i never played pro sports means i have no first hand experience about recovering from injuries and the rehabilitative process. that's rich.

you guys just keep lapping up that Koolaid but just try to make up your minds...

Again last year and this past offseason you all were saying Ghost needed another season in Lehigh, now it's "oh he became captain America" recovering from an acl that's hysterical...

He'd certainly be easier to trade if he was on the last year of his contract, as that would expand the market for him, but Read is a very good 3rd line player, that a good team could use. Plays a strong 2 way game and can skate.
- MJL

read is a solid 3rd liner. not great anymore and it looks like a case of diminishing returns. if you can move him you do it asap.

Then make it a 3rd and a 6th.

When your vet Streit goes down and you opt for the rookie and when Manning consistently plays like trash and AMac still doesn't get considered it puts me into believing that his contract is truly dead cap. I'll make the trade off with the picks to free up money to extend players in the coming years here that are part of the picture going forward and not stuck in some black hole of nothingness to the origination.
- hereticpride

Rather than just disagree with you...I just want to know what exactly you mean by "freeing up money to extend players in the coming years" I dont think AMac will prevent them from doing that

this organization will finally win a cup when Snider, Homey and Clarkie move on
- vejim

sad but true... they can take hextall with them

Brouwer had 43 points last season, Read had 30.

Brouwer has 13 points this season, Read had 5.

Brouwer only had one year left at $3.66m, Read had three years left at 3.625m.

Brouwer was more valuable to St Louis.
- Feanor

That's all fine but Read is younger. Read has a 20 goal per season upside. Read was hurt last season.

Please name me 1 guy that was signed this offseason for a cap hit similar to Read's that is as good as Read.

Belesky? Williams? Frolik? There are several players that signed for significantly less that match the description you just wrote. Belesky is the only rock you have to stand on there and he had a much more productive season than Read
- YuenglingJagr

There's 30 teams in the league.