Every game I see Ladd play when things get greasy he is in the middle helping.

On of our very highest picks JV plays a hard greasy game and gets absolutely zero support from this soft team. How the heck can he play big when no one has your back.

I watched a twin get an elbow to the head the other night while the other twin stood around and watched someone 4 inches shorter than him come to his twin brothers rescue.

I don't know what all these vets are mentoring to the youth but we are in 22 nd spot this morning and games in hand are not in our corner.

This is why Pedan is getting so much talk these days . He is a freak to the usual Canuck . He is big , hits and fights. He is not that good but this is all new to a Canuck fan
- VANTEL

Agree with most of this but it will take time to slowly change the team. I'd rather give Lucic 6 x 5 million then Ladd 7 x 6.5

The soft team is why Prust and Dorsett is overpaid.

Wait for Tryk and ped to make the team next year, don't panic, next year we will be a hard hard team to play against.

At this stage of the re tool giving Ladd 6 x6 million would not do much good.

Yes Higgins is playing poorly, If he was making 1 million less I'd be happy with his effort.

I don't think dismantling the farm is good for the kids.

This is a write off year, who cares if Higgins is taking up a roster spot. Burrows is now overpaid, I don't really care, it's not a big overpayment and if you look at all of the teams you will find one or two overpaid players.

In 6 or 7 years do you think that Ladd will still be worth 6 million?

Would you rather burrows at 4.5 for 2 years or brown at 6 for 6 years?

Do you want them to compete or tank or stay the course this year?
My answers as follows.
No
Burrows
Stay the course

Of course I'd rather a top 5 pick them 10-20, but I'd rather try to make the dance then intentionally tank.
Drop the mike👍

Edit: unreadable and poor Grammer
- Pres.cup

I wouldn't take Ladd at 6 years.

Wow Virtanen is awful.

Stupid penalties and terrible puck possession.

It's almost like he has been getting gradually worse since he was drafted.

Him and Marner have been Canada's worst 2 players by far.
- classic321

He's not awful, Jesus, he's probably just not what you want or think he is. He's a big body north south guy who's gonna score his goals within a six foot circle of the net.

I could name forty former NHL guys like that who'd be out of place in this tourney but succeeded very well in the NHL.

Agree with most of this but it will take time to slowly change the team. I'd rather give Lucic 6 x 5 million then Ladd 7 x 6.5

The soft team is why Prust and Dorsett is overpaid.

Wait for Tryk and ped to make the team next year, don't panic, next year we will be a hard hard team to play against.
- Pres.cup

I am not panicking at all. I am in favour of a top 10 pick for the next three years.

I don't like Higgins, I think he sets a bad example as a mentor. If you are going to do absolutely nothing all year at least , hit and stick up for your team mates.

I was using Ladd as an example of the type of leadership I would like for the team. I am actually not targeting him as a UFA . The only two UFAs I want are Jordie Benn and Lucic.

Some think the leadership on the Canucks is very good , I think they aren't.

Agree with most of this but it will take time to slowly change the team. I'd rather give Lucic 6 x 5 million then Ladd 7 x 6.5

The soft team is why Prust and Dorsett is overpaid.

Wait for Tryk and ped to make the team next year, don't panic, next year we will be a hard hard team to play against.
- Pres.cup

To be honest I wouldn't want to pay either that much money or term. Right now I would love nothing more then Benning to move Hamhuis and Vrbata and hopefully be able to pick up another 1st and 2nd. Continue to draft and develop and stay the course.

At this stage of the re tool giving Ladd 6 x6 million would not do much good.

Yes Higgins is playing poorly, If he was making 1 million less I'd be happy with his effort.

I don't think dismantling the farm is good for the kids.

This is a write off year, who cares if Higgins is taking up a roster spot. Burrows is now overpaid, I don't really care, it's not a big overpayment and if you look at all of the teams you will find one or two overpaid players.

In 6 or 7 years do you think that Ladd will still be worth 6 million?

Would you rather burrows at 4.5 for 2 years or brown at 6 for 6 years?

Do you want them to compete or tank or stay the course this year?
My answers as follows.
No
Burrows
Stay the course

Of course I'd rather a top 5 pick them 10-20, but I'd rather try to make the dance then intentionally tank.
Drop the mike👍

Edit: unreadable and poor Grammer
- Pres.cup

Yes, but for 5 years
Dump him
Stay the course this year. Try to sign some UFA's to be a better team next year. We only need to tank 1 year and sell vets for picks. Draft the right players this year. Take a look at our youth. All I see us missing is a star D and a star C. If we get a top 5 pick for D or C and draft more players this time around, one season may be all we need to lose before we get the UFA's to play again.

Every game I see Ladd play when things get greasy he is in the middle helping.

On of our very highest picks JV plays a hard greasy game and gets absolutely zero support from this soft team. How the heck can he play big when no one has your back.

I watched a twin get an elbow to the head the other night while the other twin stood around and watched someone 4 inches shorter than him come to his twin brothers rescue.

I don't know what all these vets are mentoring to the youth but we are in 22 nd spot this morning and games in hand are not in our corner.

This is why Pedan is getting so much talk these days . He is a freak to the usual Canuck . He is big , hits and fights. He is not that good but this is all new to a Canuck fan
- VANTEL

I said it on here jokingly, but I think WD likes the little guys more than big guys like Pedan. The team is getting beat up so put Weber in over Pedan

and when talking about Buff. I wouldn't mind signing some guys that are around 30 to shorter contract if you over pay a little. Just to get the best years and not saddled with under performance at the end.

When talking about players who don't step up to defend team mates it is right through the lineup.

I am not panicking at all. I am in favour of a top 10 pick for the next three years.

I don't like Higgins, I think he sets a bad example as a mentor. If you are going to do absolutely nothing all year at least , hit and stick up for your team mates.

I was using Ladd as an example of the type of leadership I would like for the team. I am actually not targeting him as a UFA . The only two UFAs I want are Jordie Benn and Lucic.

Some think the leadership on the Canucks is very good , I think they aren't.
- VANTEL

Going forward I think you'll see Benning assemble a team with much more of a pack mentality, but it's gonna take some time.

Yes, but for 5 years
Dump him
Stay the course this year. Try to sign some UFA's to be a better team next year. We only need to tank 1 year and sell vets for picks. Draft the right players this year. Take a look at our youth. All I see us missing is a star D and a star C. If we get a top 5 pick for D or C and draft more players this time around, one season may be all we need to lose before we get the UFA's to play again.
- Retinalz

You're kidding yourself, this team is in for a five year period of rebuilding.

[See Clowes contract
See Clarkson contract(offered that money by more then one team)

Given where the cap was then to this summer and how much better Ladd is then those guys, 6.5 per for 6 yrs
- Bieksa#3

He may take a home town discount to come to Van for final years.

Thanks Benning for Trading Forsling



Genius trade

Its good to know Sutter is worth a 2nd, Forsling, and Bonino.

Swedes look big....and beautiful

Going forward I think you'll see Benning assemble a team with much more of a pack mentality, but it's gonna take some time.
- LeftCoaster

You could take the long way or you can be more aggressive like Boston this year.
They moved a lot of contracts this year.

To be honest I wouldn't want to pay either that much money or term. Right now I would love nothing more then Benning to move Hamhuis and Vrbata and hopefully be able to pick up another 1st and 2nd. Continue to draft and develop and stay the course.
- fiveandagame

Add waive Higgins to that and you get my vote

You could take the long way or you can be more aggressive like Boston this year.
They moved a lot of contracts this year.
- VANTEL

Those contracts weren't associated with any NTC's, an important detail you always leave out.

You're kidding yourself, this team is in for a five year period of rebuilding.
- LeftCoaster

I am not disagreeing, but I also think we are 1 start forward and 1 star defense from having that team in the near future. Get one this year, draft a lot of D to try and hit as well. Get a couple key UFA players that can help us bring a long the youngins starting next year. Dropping Burrows and Higgins, shedding Prusts, Hamhuis, Vrbata Salary can give us some money for 2 good UFA signings (Buf and Ladd/Lucic if they will take 5 or less years) Maybe trade Hansen in off season.

Sedins-Sutter
Ladd/Lucic-Horvat/McCann-JV
Shink-Horvat/McCann-X
Grenier-X-Dorsett

Hutton-Buff
Edler-Tanev
Sbisa-Biega
X

Tryamkin goes Utica and partners Subban. I like that. Maybe tweak a bit, but looks like good team to start bringing up youth to me.

Those contracts weren't associated with any NTC's, an important detail you always leave out.
- LeftCoaster

I think Sedins Burr Hamhuis and Edler are the only ones with Full NTC /NMC .

I think Sedins Burr Hamhuis and Edler are the only ones with Full NTC /NMC .
- VANTEL

Correct, and I am sure Burrows and Hammer could be convinced to waive.

Every game I see Ladd play when things get greasy he is in the middle helping.

On of our very highest picks JV plays a hard greasy game and gets absolutely zero support from this soft team. How the heck can he play big when no one has your back.

I watched a twin get an elbow to the head the other night while the other twin stood around and watched someone 4 inches shorter than him come to his twin brothers rescue.

I don't know what all these vets are mentoring to the youth but we are in 22 nd spot this morning and games in hand are not in our corner.

This is why Pedan is getting so much talk these days . He is a freak to the usual Canuck . He is big , hits and fights. He is not that good but this is all new to a Canuck fan
- VANTEL

Dont sell Pedan short. He has only played 2 nhl games. He was our top scoring Dman in Utica. I actually think he skates well, has a great shot and doesnt mind carrying the puck. To me he is the type of player who might develop in to a top 4 in several years obviously.

Yes, but for 5 years
Dump him
Stay the course this year. Try to sign some UFA's to be a better team next year. We only need to tank 1 year and sell vets for picks. Draft the right players this year. Take a look at our youth. All I see us missing is a star D and a star C. If we get a top 5 pick for D or C and draft more players this time around, one season may be all we need to lose before we get the UFA's to play again.
- Retinalz

If you want Ladd for 5 years is gonna cost more then 6 million per. ... more like Sedin money, 7 million
You can't dump him, he would still cost 4.5 million cap hit(with his replacement from the farm) if you sent him down. Him or brown was the question? Or Clarkson etc. ... not bad compared to some overpayment. [/img]

Correct, and I am sure Burrows and Hammer could be convinced to waive.
- Retinalz

Hamhuis is gone regardless at the end of the year. The pick would be nice in a trade but the cap space and roster spot is more important

I am not disagreeing, but I also think we are 1 start forward and 1 star defense from having that team in the near future. Get one this year, draft a lot of D to try and hit as well. Get a couple key UFA players that can help us bring a long the youngins starting next year. Dropping Burrows and Higgins, shedding Prusts, Hamhuis, Vrbata Salary can give us some money for 2 good UFA signings (Buf and Ladd/Lucic if they will take 5 or less years) Maybe trade Hansen in off season.

Sedins-Sutter
Ladd/Lucic-Horvat/McCann-JV
Shink-Horvat/McCann-X
Grenier-X-Dorsett

Hutton-Buff
Edler-Tanev
Sbisa-Biega
X

Tryamkin goes Utica and partners Subban. I like that. Maybe tweak a bit, but looks like good team to start bringing up youth to me.
- Retinalz

Hey I'd love it if every thing just fell into place, but it rarely does. In my opinion Bo and McCann are at the very least four years from realizing their potential, I just think it takes that long.

The key is to get rid of some older contracts, or let them expire, and make some good signings. While still drafting well.

I am not disagreeing, but I also think we are 1 start forward and 1 star defense from having that team in the near future. Get one this year, draft a lot of D to try and hit as well. Get a couple key UFA players that can help us bring a long the youngins starting next year. Dropping Burrows and Higgins, shedding Prusts, Hamhuis, Vrbata Salary can give us some money for 2 good UFA signings (Buf and Ladd/Lucic if they will take 5 or less years) Maybe trade Hansen in off season.

Sedins-Sutter
Ladd/Lucic-Horvat/McCann-JV
Shink-Horvat/McCann-X
Grenier-X-Dorsett

Hutton-Buff
Edler-Tanev
Sbisa-Biega
X

Tryamkin goes Utica and partners Subban. I like that. Maybe tweak a bit, but looks like good team to start bringing up youth to me.
- Retinalz

I dont think our young guys are old enough just yet to start tossing big bucks at players. I would prefer to add a guy or two who are younger who would be here long term. One more maybe two more seasons look to add after you know what you have in the young guys. My concern is the long contracts will look brutal and unmovable when you need to start resigning horvat, etc

If you want Ladd for 5 years is gonna cost more then 6 million per. ... more like Sedin money, 7 million
You can't dump him, he would still cost 4.5 million cap hit(with his replacement from the farm) if you sent him down. Him or brown was the question? Or Clarkson etc. ... not bad compared to some overpayment.
- Pres.cup[/img]

Just to set the record straight . I mentioned Ladd as an example. I don't expect him on this roster next year. His name is coming up a lot today . I used his name because he is a leader and good team mate.

If you want Ladd for 5 years is gonna cost more then 6 million per. ... more like Sedin money, 7 million
You can't dump him, he would still cost 4.5 million cap hit(with his replacement from the farm) if you sent him down. Him or brown was the question? Or Clarkson etc. ... not bad compared to some overpayment.
- Pres.cup[/img]

I agree building through free agency just doesnt work. With a team this young and being years away from competing its pointless unless you can add a guy in his mid to late 20s who will grow with the team.