Detroit has also had an amazing team of scouts and a GM that is great at assesing talent for that whole time period. Vancouver has never had that, if we do now then were at the beginning. I still remember Detroit being the worst team in the league, it's what landed them Yzerman and Fedorov. People will come back and say Lindstrom, Zetterberg, which is true those are amazing late draft steals, but el capitan Yzerman, much like Sakic, was topp 5 after they wait for it.....TANKED - neem55
He was drafted in 1983,,,how do you know they tanked?? Pretty sure they just sucked and had no talent at that point. Tanking is trying to lose.
we have good drafting now, so why support a tank? Its dumb.
my point was you do not stock cupboards by tanking and getting #1 picks, that will only end up in a franchise like the oilers. You draft well with your picks while maintaining a winning pedigree. Seems like posters here think league team rosters were based around tank jobs. Ummm no. Drafting success.... otherwise every year youd have 30 teams all racing for the bottom....w goalies having smoke breaks at the goal post.
He was drafted in 1983,,,how do you know they tanked?? Pretty sure they just sucked and had no talent at that point. Tanking is trying to lose.
we have good drafting now, so why support a tank? Its dumb.
my point was you do not stock cupboards by tanking and getting #1 picks, that will only end up in a franchise like the oilers. You draft well with your picks while maintaining a winning pedigree. Seems like posters here think league team rosters were based around tank jobs. Ummm no. Drafting success.... otherwise every year youd have 30 teams all racing for the bottom....w goalies having smoke breaks at the goal post. - SMBDragon
Pretty sure that's exactly what both LA and Chicago did. Kane #1 Doughty#2 Toews #3... Oilers are making the playoffs once MCjesus is back.
Isn't the penalty for going over cap during the regular season your 1st auto being 30th overall no matter your standing? Something similar to what happened to the devils? Or was that a different situation?
If Edmonton improves and contends for playoffs after mcjesus and yak come back, think we can put hammer and burrows on that roster for their playoff push?
I suppose every team that had a crap season did all deliberately huh
sure its been done in history before, but like after theyve obviously been eliminated from POs
so OK youre sold on the tank idea.... theres no getting through to you. - SMBDragon
Look I'm not into intntionally losing what I'm saying is that most elite forwards and D come in the top 5... pronger, niedemayer, Doughty, Toews, Kane, Crosby... IMO yes Chicago tanked so did washington, LA and Pitt. You're destinction is " did they tank or did they just suck" just doesn't matter to me, it is meaningless when I see players like Eichel and Mcdavid playing for other teams. Do I think we should intentionally lose? no. DO ithink management should sell our assets so that we get 1 or maybe even 2 top 5 picks (next year too)? Yes, yes I do. I love the Sedin's, they and Bure are my favorite Canucks along with Linden. Linden and the Sedin's are all top 5 picks, it's just not rocket surgery IMO. The team needs to get worse before it can get better.
How do you know? Do you know the coaches and GMs from those teams during that time? Guess they admitted it too.
you guys assume way too much. Pens were terrible back then. I know cause I watched them back then....Ive followed them since 1991. THere was no tank - SMBDragon
If Buffalo last year was a tank, than so was Pitt for Crosby/Malkin. Or they just "sucked". Isn't tanking just the GM putting a poopty roster together?
Isn't the penalty for going over cap during the regular season your 1st auto being 30th overall no matter your standing? Something similar to what happened to the devils? Or was that a different situation? - Retinalz
NHL is a joke who knows. Its like the cap recapture coming in to play after they approved deals that had been signed years ago. Or when guys get fined for diving yet head shots go unpunished...
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Pitts did it for Crosby and wsh for ovechkin. - Retinalz
please explain how you "TANK" for lottery balls?
there was no season the year before Crosby so all the teams were in a lottery , so how was that a tank job??
Look I'm not into intntionally losing what I'm saying is that most elite forwards and D come in the top 5... pronger, niedemayer, Doughty, Toews, Kane, Crosby... IMO yes Chicago tanked so did washington, LA and Pitt. You're destinction is " did they tank or did they just suck" just doesn't matter to me when I see players like Eichel and Mcdavid playing for other teams. Do I think we should intentionally lose? no. DO ithink management should sell our assets so that we get 1 or maybe even 2 top 5 picks (next year too)? Yes, yes I do. I love the Sedin's, they and Bure are my favorite Canucks along with Linden. Linden and the Sedin's are all top 5 picks, it's just not rocket surgery IMO. - neem55
Im glad you arent into the tank. It promotes losing. It hobbles teams for decades often. Like Ive said before...oilers, leafs, canes and sabres are all examples of losing out of habit. Do I think the oilers tanked? Definately.
Im thankfull burke sold assets for an extra pick that ended up sedins. certainly.
Im also thankfull quinn traded stoyanov for naslund. Cost us pretty much nothing for naslund. Was he as big for us as sedins? pretty much yes.
Lower cost is better for sure. If you can achieve something to get a top pick wo too much loss of asset do it. Tanking a season ? No. If you are out of PO then have at er.
Im advocating the detroit model. Draft smart and develop well.
BTW everyone consider this too....how many #1 picks have been an absolute flop? Enough of them to be leery. #1 picks are no certainty given that stats. Again, see the oilers
Some former 1st rd picks can be had cheap if they dont produce early....naslund for 1 who we got for garbage....bertuzzi another...kassian another....hodgson....yashin...
Id rather pick up past 1st rounders cheap and turn them into something (ala naslund bert....not zak cody alexi) than give the earth and have it not pan out
NHL is a joke
Or when guys get fined for diving yet head shots go unpunished... - mauryballstein
Yes I too am puzzled about the diving calls then head shots arent called.
But as we know it depends what team you play for too.
Id like to know HOW if diving is called as a penalty how marchard didnt get one or more like a suspension for his acting job on the prust spear? He gets up laughing immediately after penalty is called and laughs on the bench....which is levels of awful above diving.
Im glad you arent into the tank. It promotes losing. It hobbles teams for decades often. Like Ive said before...oilers, leafs, canes and sabres are all examples of losing out of habit. Do I think the oilers tanked? Definately.
Im thankfull burke sold assets for an extra pick that ended up sedins. certainly.
Im also thankfull quinn traded stoyanov for naslund. Cost us pretty much nothing for naslund. Was he as big for us as sedins? pretty much yes.
Lower cost is better for sure. If you can achieve something to get a top pick wo too much loss of asset do it. Tanking a season ? No. If you are out of PO then have at er.
Im advocating the detroit model. Draft smart and develop well.
BTW everyone consider this too....how many #1 picks have been an absolute flop? Enough of them to be leery. #1 picks are no certainty given that stats. Again, see the oilers
Some former 1st rd picks can be had cheap if they dont produce early....naslund for 1 who we got for garbage....bertuzzi another...kassian another....hodgson....yashin...
Id rather pick up past 1st rounders cheap and turn them into something (ala naslund bert....not zak cody alexi) then give the earth and have it not pan out - SMBDragon
I know back in the day there were a lot of top 5 flops and a lot of guys floating under, but how many top 5's since 2000 have been? For me, the game has changed and the talent pool is deeper.
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Detroit has also had an amazing team of scouts and a GM that is great at assesing talent for that whole time period. Vancouver has never had that, if we do now then were at the beginning. I still remember Detroit being the worst team in the league, it's what landed them Yzerman and Fedorov. People will come back and say Lindstrom, Zetterberg, which is true those are amazing late draft steals, but el capitan Yzerman, much like Sakic, was topp 5 after they wait for it.....TANKED - neem55
I know back in the day there were a lot of top 5 flops and a lot of guys floating under, but how many top 5's since 2000 have been? For me, the game has changed and the talent pool is deeper. - neem55
kassian and hodgson are both prime examples of flops
barker is another
kris beech
thats just off the top of my head
hmmm jensen comes to mind but im unsure what position he was drafted in
Detroit has also had an amazing team of scouts and a GM that is great at assesing talent for that whole time period. Vancouver has never had that, if we do now then were at the beginning. I still remember Detroit being the worst team in the league, it's what landed them Yzerman and Fedorov. People will come back and say Lindstrom, Zetterberg, which is true those are amazing late draft steals, but el capitan Yzerman, much like Sakic, was topp 5 after they wait for it.....TANKED - neem55
Sakic was drafted 15th overall because of his size.
