He is part of the the problem we might have like six to eight more wins if he doesn't hit the post every (frank)ing time
- gerbe75pts

C'mon . So he is the only one not putting it in enough? Moulson , Ennis , Girgenson . We have no secondary scoring. If it was only so simple!

I need a change from what I've been doing for the last 20 years too. So I'd like to see if I cant find a job drinking beer.

(Of course, the part of that which is a change is that my effort would now be compensated, instead of just a hobby.)
- Der Kaiser

There's a Lobby for that, I think.

One thing that is refreshing is not too many folks are bashing Lehner now that he's actually playing. I try to be optimistic, and I really think he's the Guy we will build with and be the starter for the next several years...not based on having watched him in Pee Wee or juniors, but mainly from what I hear from those who are around the rink and the Sabres since we got him: that he's got fire in his belly, hates to lose, takes pride in his job...and he looks friggin huge in net.

Evander Kane is 3rd in the NHL among forwards in ice time. He has 18 points.

Players production around the NHL with similar minutes

O'Reilly 40 points
Kopitar 40 points
Steen 42 points
P. Kane 72 points
Ovechkin 42 points
Giroux 37 points

His production is a major dissapointment. Anyone who thinks it's just bad luck isn't seeing the full picture
- sbroads24

I understand your point about his point production, especially with the amount of playing time he is getting, but who has ever thought of him as a player as good as any on your list? Certainly nobody with any good sense. Steen is maybe, maybe the only one who he could be considered even close to.

I'll respectfully disagree as well that he's a 3rd liner on a cup team as I believe his true line is the 2nd, assuming the top line is true quality, which here it obviously isn't right now.

I understand your point about his point production, especially with the amount of playing time he is getting, but who has ever thought of him as a player as good as any on your list? Certainly nobody with any good sense. Steen is maybe, maybe the only one who he could be considered even close to.

I'll respectfully disagree as well that he's a 3rd liner on a cup team as I believe his true line is the 2nd, assuming the top line is true quality, which here it obviously isn't right now.
- kingcong39

Tim Murray

I need a change from what I've been doing for the last 20 years too. So I'd like to see if I cant find a job drinking beer.

(Of course, the part of that which is a change is that my effort would now be compensated, instead of just a hobby.)
- Der Kaiser

I open up my fish room to sell to the public on saturday and sunday

they expect me to have a beer in my hand after 3pm

I understand your point about his point production, especially with the amount of playing time he is getting, but who has ever thought of him as a player as good as any on your list? Certainly nobody with any good sense. Steen is maybe, maybe the only one who he could be considered even close to.

I'll respectfully disagree as well that he's a 3rd liner on a cup team as I believe his true line is the 2nd, assuming the top line is true quality, which here it obviously isn't right now.
- kingcong39

kane is at the very worst, a decent second line winger on a team competing for a cup

the problem is right now this team needs him to be a first line winger and unreal on special teams

he may not be THAT GUY


but he is a beast for a second line winger, in all areas except burying the puck, which may come in streaks

kane is at the very worst, a decent second line winger on a team competing for a cup

the problem is right now this team needs him to be a first line winger and unreal on special teams

he may not be THAT GUY


but he is a beast for a second line winger, in all areas except burying the puck, which may come in streaks
- homiedclown

He's a pretty sub par passer. I think he's a decent 2nd liner on most teams, and maybe your 6th or 7th best forward on a cup team

He's a pretty sub par passer. I think he's a decent 2nd liner on most teams, and maybe your 6th or 7th best forward on a cup team
- sbroads24

Overall, I think we pigeon hole players far too easily when we all say player X is a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th liner on a cup team.

I say that because every team is different and you can be stronger in certain positions as opposed to others.

Tim Murray
- sbroads24

Simply due to what he traded for him, and Bogosian?

Building with the second youngest roster in the NHL, two #2 overall picks who can't even buy beer yet, a kicckass rock solid Dman, more center depth than most teams dream of, 11 more picks in this year's draft, more than a few promising youngsters already in the pipeline, and (to the realistic among us) still pretty low expectations.

We are better now.

Nobody is forcing you to read anything you don't like.

I hope you do.

The Sabres, owners, coaches, and fans do not care if you are impressed or not.

All good NHL teams do this to some extent. Some, like LA, owe much of their Cup success to trades and FA.

How the HE double-hockey-sticks can you know this? Magic?
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You give other posters far too little credit and yourself far, far too much.
- LandlordTom

Lord! Nice

Simply due to what he traded for him, and Bogosian?
- kingcong39

Bingo!!!!

Simply due to what he traded for him, and Bogosian?
- kingcong39

we moved a fringe top pair d man, a rental that would have netted us a second rd pick, 2 blue chip prospects, a late first rd pick for a decent second line winger, a 2/3 d man and a goalie prospect

who am I kidding?

I can't defend it unless he couldn't stand myers

we moved a fringe top pair d man, a rental that would have netted us a second rd pick, 2 blue chip prospects, a late first rd pick for a decent second line winger, a 2/3 d man and a goalie prospect

who am I kidding?

I can't defend it unless he couldn't stand myers
- homiedclown

He's not a top pair D (Myers) and Armia is 22 and has lost his blue chip status if he ever had it.

Simple hockey fans do not realize that Kane is the Sabres best forechecker, plays with energy and drive, and has 10 goals while missing 10 games. He can be frustrating at times but they didn't trade for a 50 goal sniper.

Bogo looks solid, as I stated he would, when he wasn't carrying McCabe's load and having to watch out for the rookie.

If he was in vermont and you only got long trail you missed out. Probably the best beer state in the country. Ask for some heady topper, almost anything from hill farmstead, sip of sunshine from Lawsons or second fiddle from fiddlehead. Long trail will taste like dirt compared to those.
- Fattony1187

I really don't taste beer. It mostly flows over my tongue too fast to register

I really don't taste beer. It mostly flows over my tongue too fast to register
- Der Kaiser

That's how I am with liquor. I just try to get it down and anticipate the burn. I much prefer the different tastes of beer.

Kane - inconsistent
Bogo - Overrated
Kasdorf - ????

for

Stafford - inconsistent
Myers - Over rated
Armia - Maybe 3rd liner if lucky?
Lemieux - Crazy
1st rounder (Roslovic) - ?????

you guys talk about this trade a lot, end of the day its a lateral move currently on the NHL roster with some question marks still left to be decided with some of the younger guys. Unless Lemieux or Roslovic become anything of significant value, its a wash of a trade

He's not a top pair D (Myers) and Armia is 22 and has lost his blue chip status if he ever had it.

Simple hockey fans do not realize that Kane is the Sabres best forechecker, plays with energy and drive, and has 10 goals while missing 10 games. He can be frustrating at times but they didn't trade for a 50 goal sniper.

Bogo looks solid, as I stated he would, when he wasn't carrying McCabe's load and having to watch out for the rookie.
- GilPerreault11

2nd in ice time. 2nd in scoring for defenseman. Top 30 in even strength scoring. Positive possession, positive relative Corsi. Since joining the Jets he's got 33 points in 70 or so games. What about this doesn't scream #2?

He's a #2, and at this point it really can't be debated

Honestly I don't think you guys would be any better or worse this year if the trade never happened

The only thing is if 1st, Lemieux, Armia could have netted someone else of value that could have made an impact instead

Kane - inconsistent
Bogo - Overrated
Kasdorf - ????

for

Stafford - inconsistent
Myers - Over rated
Armia - Maybe 3rd liner if lucky?
Lemieux - Crazy
1st rounder (Roslovic) - ?????

you guys talk about this trade a lot, end of the day its a lateral move currently on the NHL roster with some question marks still left to be decided with some of the younger guys. Unless Lemieux or Roslovic become anything of significant value, its a wash of a trade
- DDM-Coga

Appreciate the outside perspective to perfectly describe the exact way I look at the trade as it was full of players that needed a trade of venue.

2nd in ice time. 2nd in scoring for defenseman. Top 30 in even strength scoring. Positive possession, positive relative Corsi. Since joining the Jets he's got 33 points in 70 or so games. What about this doesn't scream #2?

He's a #2, and at this point it really can't be debated
- sbroads24

18 pts in 47 games this year when he gets 2nd line PP time and plays with skilled players. Not to mention he is not very strong even in his own end even with that long reach that you can't teach.

He is not a 1st line D, but you can keep thinking it if you want, I never did.

2nd in ice time. 2nd in scoring for defenseman. Top 30 in even strength scoring. Positive possession, positive relative Corsi. Since joining the Jets he's got 33 points in 70 or so games. What about this doesn't scream #2?

He's a #2, and at this point it really can't be debated
- sbroads24

Not a top pairing D man on a cup winning team?

18 pts in 47 games this year when he gets 2nd line PP time and plays with skilled players. Not to mention he is not very strong even in his own end even with that long reach that you can't teach.

He is not a 1st line D, but you can keep thinking it if you want, I never did.
- GilPerreault11

I thought he was a top pairing D until the completion of his 3rd season. That's when I began to think otherwise.

I thought he was a top pairing D until the completion of his 3rd season. That's when I began to think otherwise.
- kingcong39

I had hopes for him after his first year but never saw him like other team's top D and yeah after the the 2nd or 3rd year it was hoping he would get back to at least rookie form and not trade him yet. Then two years ago I was done, he couldn't complete an outlet pass, play in his own end and produce offensively. Then it was trade him while he had value.

Kane - inconsistent
Bogo - Overrated
Kasdorf - ????

for

Stafford - inconsistent
Myers - Over rated
Armia - Maybe 3rd liner if lucky?
Lemieux - Crazy
1st rounder (Roslovic) - ?????

you guys talk about this trade a lot, end of the day its a lateral move currently on the NHL roster with some question marks still left to be decided with some of the younger guys. Unless Lemieux or Roslovic become anything of significant value, its a wash of a trade
- DDM-Coga

According to some we gave up $1 billion and received about $3.50....

- chilliard77

That is the best thing I've ever seen!