That's true, it's the term though that was a real head scratcher. Like Murray said, "It's never hard to spent money." So, why did we give Moulson five years when we only needed to over pay him for last year? I think Murray is a good judge of talent, but I think in Moulson's case its fairly obvious that he is nothing more than a player with not a lot of talent but has been lucky enough to play with talent. His NHL staying powers was developed by his willingness to park himself in front of the net and bang home rebounds. He is now past his prime and is not willing to do that any longer. Murray should have seen that his production would have such diminishing returns on such a long contract.
- sskkoo1

To get him to actually come back here and play on a historically bad team in his "twilight" years. Money talks.

Well said, he's totally invisible out there. When was the last time you heard his name? For me I think it was when he got that too many men penalty when the puck took a wild bounce and hit his skate like 4 or 5 games ago.

Edit: He actually finished second on the team last year in points and led the team in assists, so it's not like he totally sucked last year, and this year is just more of the same. He fell off the table this year.

I had hopes for him after his first year but never saw him like other team's top D and yeah after the the 2nd or 3rd year it was hoping he would get back to at least rookie form and not trade him yet. Then two years ago I was done, he couldn't complete an outlet pass, play in his own end and produce offensively. Then it was trade him while he had value.
- GilPerreault11

http://www.winnipegfreepr...defenceman-363696651.html

It's weird, the people in Winnipeg, nor his coach see any of these things he was apparently notorious for.

I haven't seen any Zach Bogosian articles like this

C'mon . So he is the only one not putting it in enough? Moulson , Ennis , Girgenson . We have no secondary scoring. If it was only so simple!
- Maximum Signal

We're talking about Kane not the other underachievers.

He was brought here to score goals not to be on the same pace as old as Matt Moulson , Gionta
you can't make up excuses for him he's hit the post every single time and you can't tell me he hasn't.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/hockey/jets/Tyler-Myers-shows-hes-the-Jets-top-defenceman-363696651.html

It's weird, the people in Winnipeg, nor his coach see any of these things he was apparently notorious for.

I haven't seen any Zach Bogosian articles like this
- sbroads24

That's funny right around this time on twitter I saw a tweet by a Winnipeg Press writer who tweeted "what is wrong with Myers" and I tweeted back, what can't he complete a pass yet? He responded back he is very inconsistent, we discussed if it wasn't for his size he'd be a 4-or 5 D. So these writers may have liked 6 games he had but another writer wasn't so big on him.

He's still not a #1 D, hate to tell ya

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/hockey/jets/Tyler-Myers-shows-hes-the-Jets-top-defenceman-363696651.html

It's weird, the people in Winnipeg, nor his coach see any of these things he was apparently notorious for.

I haven't seen any Zach Bogosian articles like this
- sbroads24

are you surprised by this article, jets are struggling, that fan base has a 50/50 split on Buff, so a terrible writer (I am originally from manitoba and no one there can stand Paul Wiecek) writes an article basically saying Myers is better than Buff.

Just so that when they decide not to resign him, he can write up his follow up piece entitled "I told you so"

I wouldnt hold much stock in free press coverage of the jets, they have junk beat writers

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/hockey/jets/Tyler-Myers-shows-hes-the-Jets-top-defenceman-363696651.html

It's weird, the people in Winnipeg, nor his coach see any of these things he was apparently notorious for.

I haven't seen any Zach Bogosian articles like this
- sbroads24

He is great . Tim Murray did not want to build around him for some reason . Become a Jets fan I am a closet one. But quitting talking down about the guys that came our way in the trade . I call the trade a good hockey trade . Both teams got what they wanted.

That's funny right around this time on twitter I saw a tweet by a Winnipeg Press writer who tweeted "what is wrong with Myers" and I tweeted back, what can't he complete a pass yet? He responded back he is very inconsistent, we discussed if it wasn't for his size he'd be a 4-or 5 D. So these writers may have liked 6 games he had but another writer wasn't so big on him.

He's still not a #1 D, hate to tell ya
- GilPerreault11

Why would Maurice match up a #4 D against the other teams best lines?

Why would Maurice match up a #4 D against the other teams best lines?
- sbroads24

You should read the fans comments regarding this article, it might humble you a tad bit regarding your opinion of Myers. Here is one that is appropriate:

There is no value or logic to the comparison piece of this article. Meyers doesn't replace Buff, he compliments the d core. Chevy needs to find a way to keep Buff but not get roped into a 7 of 8 year deal. That's a tall order. A four or five year deal would be ideal.

Ahem, top line D do not compliment the core, they lead the core.

That is the best thing I've ever seen!
- Wetbandit1

In 1989 Shelley Dillingam showed me something that makesthat whole flaming hockey stick totally irrelevant.

are you surprised by this article, jets are struggling, that fan base has a 50/50 split on Buff, so a terrible writer (I am originally from manitoba and no one there can stand Paul Wiecek) writes an article basically saying Myers is better than Buff.

Just so that when they decide not to resign him, he can write up his follow up piece entitled "I told you so"

I wouldnt hold much stock in free press coverage of the jets, they have junk beat writers
- DDM-Coga

Please be nice to sbroads he's really very earnest.

Why would Maurice match up a #4 D against the other teams best lines?
- sbroads24

I didn't say he was a #4, I said his skill set was if he didn't have his size. You make Myers 6 foot 2 and 200 pounds and he is a 4 or 5 D. That reach, when he uses it saves his arse.

Maurice uses Myers against the other team's top players because Buff, Trouba et al need a break once in a while

are you surprised by this article, jets are struggling, that fan base has a 50/50 split on Buff, so a terrible writer (I am originally from manitoba and no one there can stand Paul Wiecek) writes an article basically saying Myers is better than Buff.

Just so that when they decide not to resign him, he can write up his follow up piece entitled "I told you so"

I wouldnt hold much stock in free press coverage of the jets, they have junk beat writers
- DDM-Coga

When are you going to learn? Facts have no place here. I don't understand why one team or another has to win a trade? Both teams got what they want. Myers and Kane needed a change of Scenery . I hope it works out for both teams.

We're talking about Kane not the other underachievers.

He was brought here to score goals not to be on the same pace as old as Matt Moulson , Gionta
you can't make up excuses for him he's hit the post every single time and you can't tell me he hasn't.
- gerbe75pts

He's nowhere near the pace of those two... He has double the goals of Gionta has in 7 less games and 9 less games and 6 more goals than Moulson. You can't sit here and complain about a guy who has been one of the top offensive players for this team the last few weeks when we've lost because half the team is defensive minded grinders..

are you surprised by this article, jets are struggling, that fan base has a 50/50 split on Buff, so a terrible writer (I am originally from manitoba and no one there can stand Paul Wiecek) writes an article basically saying Myers is better than Buff.

Just so that when they decide not to resign him, he can write up his follow up piece entitled "I told you so"

I wouldnt hold much stock in free press coverage of the jets, they have junk beat writers
- DDM-Coga

I'm just saying that there aren't articles like this written about your average player. There aren't many "Give the reigns to Toby Enstrom" articles

I didn't say he was a #4, I said his skill set was if he didn't have his size. You make Myers 6 foot 2 and 200 pounds and he is a 4 or 5 D. That reach, when he uses it saves his arse.

Maurice uses Myers against the other team's top players because Buff, Trouba et al need a break once in a while
- GilPerreault11

But he's #2 in ice time.....not 3 or 4 or 5. It's Myers and Byfuglien used at the end of games when they are ahead or behind.

They also spilt OT time. He's there #2 guy, and literally has been since he got there.

I'm just saying that there aren't articles like this written about your average player. There aren't many "Give the reigns to Toby Enstrom" articles
- sbroads24

you would be surprised the amount of crap that comes out of the winnipeg market. They legit are mentally unstable with some of the proposals and ideas that they try to push as main stream hockey ideas.

So, last year we all agreed that the team had players who were playing at least one and more likely 2 lines higher than they should have been. Ennis, the best of them last season is a 2nd line winger on a competent team. The 3rd and 4th line was filled with AHLers.
This year, were we expecting that to have magically changed in one offseason?

For as good as ROR and McGinn have been, Moulson and Ennis are non-existent even when on the ice...draw there.
Eichel and Reinhart are developing, and contributing ... But clearly need more time to round out their game. Slight upgrade there.
Kane is about the same as Staff scoring wise, but shows up every game. Girgensons is not producing offensively as he did last year...but was asked to be a shut down 3c mostly. Slight upgrade to draw there.
Foligno, DeLo, Larson, are the same as last year...but Foligno looks a bit better lately. Draw there.
Gionta has slipped a bit, and Legwan is about the same as Flynn and others last year. Draw there.

Point 1 is, the Forwards are slightly better that last year collectively. Guys like McGinn and Kane are likely playing 1 line higher than they should.
Point 2 is, more time to develop will yield stronger play from 2 key guys in Eichel and Reinhart.
Point 3 is, we need an influx of 2 more top 6 players...and one needs to be a stud 1st liner. GMTM needs to hit on this draft big time.
Point 4 is, we need the 3rd and 4th liners to throw a goal more frequently than they have...especially from the 3rd line. Maybe that comes from an overhaul, Foligno out, Gionta out, Girgensons in...Maybe McGinn lands there as well.

To Max - I think this is an axceptional analysis...requesting Exceptional Staus please.

But he's #2 in ice time.....not 3 or 4 or 5. It's Myers and Byfuglien used at the end of games when they are ahead or behind.

They also spilt OT time. He's there #2 guy, and literally has been since he got there.
- sbroads24

How about Myers complimenting the Jets D core from Winnipeg fans who watch every game not from someone who look at stats, which aren't even that impressive, 18 pts 47 games? I take it you aren't still fixated on Myers and watch the Jets games?

I can't believe we are still discussing this bust of a Sabre. If Gil Perreault was traded in his prime and there was an internet and hockeybuzz was available even he wouldn't have gotten this much discussion

So, last year we all agreed that the team had players who were playing at least one and more likely 2 lines higher than they should have been. Ennis, the best of them last season is a 2nd line winger on a competent team. The 3rd and 4th line was filled with AHLers.
This year, were we expecting that to have magically changed in one offseason?

For as good as ROR and McGinn have been, Moulson and Ennis are non-existent even when on the ice...draw there.
Eichel and Reinhart are developing, and contributing ... But clearly need more time to round out their game. Slight upgrade there.
Kane is about the same as Staff scoring wise, but shows up every game. Girgensons is not producing offensively as he did last year...but was asked to be a shut down 3c mostly. Slight upgrade to draw there.
Foligno, DeLo, Larson, are the same as last year...but Foligno looks a bit better lately. Draw there.
Gionta has slipped a bit, and Legwan is about the same as Flynn and others last year. Draw there.

Point 1 is, the Forwards are slightly better that last year collectively. Guys like McGinn and Kane are likely playing 1 line higher than they should.
Point 2 is, more time to develop will yield stronger play from 2 key guys in Eichel and Reinhart.
Point 3 is, we need an influx of 2 more top 6 players...and one needs to be a stud 1st liner. GMTM needs to hit on this draft big time.
Point 4 is, we need the 3rd and 4th liners to throw a goal more frequently than they have...especially from the 3rd line. Maybe that comes from an overhaul, Foligno out, Gionta out, Girgensons in...Maybe McGinn lands there as well.

To Max - I think this is an axceptional analysis...requesting Exceptional Staus please.
- IonSabres

This is essentially exactly what I said... McGinn is a great 2nd lime player Kane is a 1/2 line hybrid. Ennis has been hurt 85% of the year.

you would be surprised the amount of crap that comes out of the winnipeg market. They legit are mentally unstable with some of the proposals and ideas that they try to push as main stream hockey ideas.
- DDM-Coga

You could say the same for every team. Mike Schopp (local radio) said that Mark Pysyk was the 4th most important Sabre behind Eichel, O'Reilly and Risto. Said he was more important than Kane or Reinhart.

He played 11 minutes last game. At least what the WPG writer wrote, is somewhat reflective of what actually happens on the ice. Here is a whole other story

So, last year we all agreed that the team had players who were playing at least one and more likely 2 lines higher than they should have been. Ennis, the best of them last season is a 2nd line winger on a competent team. The 3rd and 4th line was filled with AHLers.
This year, were we expecting that to have magically changed in one offseason?

For as good as ROR and McGinn have been, Moulson and Ennis are non-existent even when on the ice...draw there.
Eichel and Reinhart are developing, and contributing ... But clearly need more time to round out their game. Slight upgrade there.
Kane is about the same as Staff scoring wise, but shows up every game. Girgensons is not producing offensively as he did last year...but was asked to be a shut down 3c mostly. Slight upgrade to draw there.
Foligno, DeLo, Larson, are the same as last year...but Foligno looks a bit better lately. Draw there.
Gionta has slipped a bit, and Legwan is about the same as Flynn and others last year. Draw there.

Point 1 is, the Forwards are slightly better that last year collectively. Guys like McGinn and Kane are likely playing 1 line higher than they should.
Point 2 is, more time to develop will yield stronger play from 2 key guys in Eichel and Reinhart.
Point 3 is, we need an influx of 2 more top 6 players...and one needs to be a stud 1st liner. GMTM needs to hit on this draft big time.
Point 4 is, we need the 3rd and 4th liners to throw a goal more frequently than they have...especially from the 3rd line. Maybe that comes from an overhaul, Foligno out, Gionta out, Girgensons in...Maybe McGinn lands there as well.

To Max - I think this is an axceptional analysis...requesting Exceptional Staus please.
- IonSabres

Don't disregard what the Sabres will do in FA.

This is essentially exactly what I said... McGinn is a great 2nd lime player Kane is a 1/2 line hybrid. Ennis has been hurt 85% of the year.
- bluengold12

Well, when consulting you have to add value...largely by the length of the report.
On here, that is why I requested Exceptional Status.

Now I just poured a Bourbon, and it usually doesn't stop at one.
So, my point is I'm likely going to have a drop off in rational thought through a long post, will likely become more abusive, and probably contradict myself depending on what side zi choose to argue at that precise moment in time.
Don't be offended, just roll with it.

You could say the same for every team. Mike Schopp (local radio) said that Mark Pysyk was the 4th most important Sabre behind Eichel, O'Reilly and Risto. Said he was more important than Kane or Reinhart.

He played 11 minutes last game. At least what the WPG writer wrote, is somewhat reflective of what actually happens on the ice. Here is a whole other story
- sbroads24

The point is nobody is relying on Schopp as support for a weak tea take.

You're relying on the Winnipeg Press though.

How about Myers complimenting the Jets D core from Winnipeg fans who watch every game not from someone who look at stats, which aren't even that impressive, 18 pts 47 games? I take it you aren't still fixated on Myers and watch the Jets games?

I can't believe we are still discussing this bust of a Sabre. If Gil Perreault was traded in his prime and there was an internet and hockeybuzz was available even he wouldn't have gotten this much discussion
- GilPerreault11

They are reflective of a #2 defenseman. Nothing more, nothing less.

22 minutes a night, a 33 point pace. Most of them at even strength.

I guess we will see what happens with Byfuglien. I have read a lot of WPG fans that want that Defense group to be lead by Myers and Trouba

Well, when consulting you have to add value...largely by the length of the report.
On here, that is why I requested Exceptional Status.

Now I just poured a Bourbon, and it usually doesn't stop at one.
So, my point is I'm likely going to have a drop off in rational thought through a long post, will likely become more abusive, and probably contradict myself depending on what side zi choose to argue at that precise moment in time.
Don't be offended, just roll with it.
- IonSabres

Don't quote JANIS Joplin.