Flyers are going to surge like the Ducks.


Any day now....

Any day now....
- Mononoke

next year my friend

So if Philly had given up a similar package for Phenuef, what would it have looked like?

Shultz, Read, RJ, 2nd and Hagg?

Help me out here....
- coffee junkie

No, because the 3 NHL roster players (sorta) don't have expiring deals.

More like Medvedev, one of Gagner/White, Raffl, and a 2nd plus a Hagg/Cousins/Straka type.

next year my friend
- 2Real

another ESPN attempt to cover hockey

http://espn.go.com/nhl/st...al-players-trade-deadline

cliffs: rental prices will be down this year and no one will trade first round picks
- YuenglingJagr

I also learned that Toronto only ate part of one year on the kessel deal.

No, because the 3 NHL roster players (sorta) don't have expiring deals.

More like Medvedev, one of Gagner/White, Raffl, and a 2nd plus a Hagg/Cousins/Straka type.
- jmatchett383

Except the roster players they traded are worse than those I think

Honestly, there's too many moving parts in that trade that I'm not familiar with to make an assessment of what it would've cost us or who benefits the most in the long run.

I think the vote on TSN at last look was 63% of people polled said Toronto won the trade, Craig Button said Ottawa clearly got the better end of it.

Take your pick, idiots on the internet or the guy who got fired from his General Manager gig.


edit: button wasnt actually fired, his contract wasnt renewed.
- Doc_Sarcasm

It all depends how you look at it...the senators acquired a top pairing defenseman (#3-4 minimum) for basically a 2nd round pick and B level prospect...that great...but you have to pay him. They are a budget team so they have space

- Mononoke

You guys wanna stop jackwagoning each other's jackwagon?

I also learned that Toronto only ate part of one year on the kessel deal.
- Just5

which is not possible

can't believe they haven't surged yet it's already ten of five wtffffff
- BulliesPhan87

There is time yet. The grilled cheeses have not even been eaten.

Except the roster players they traded are worse than those I think
- Mononoke

Medvedev is a guy who looks like a legit top-4 one shift and a guy who's never played hockey before the next. White and Gagner will be lucky to make an NHL roster next year. I'm not sure the disparity is that huge.

No, because the 3 NHL roster players (sorta) don't have expiring deals.

More like Medvedev, one of Gagner/White, Raffl, and a 2nd plus a Hagg/Cousins/Straka type.
- jmatchett383

There is no true comparable for the Flyers to make this trade. It was a guy OTT had buried in the minors cause he was overpaid, a guy that was injured a lto but has been capable of scoring, and a young defenseman that was highly touted but has done a lot of nothing lately (i.e. worse than luke schenn)

It all depends how you look at it...the senators acquired a top pairing defenseman (#3-4 minimum) for basically a 2nd round pick and B level prospect...that great...but you have to pay him. They are a budget team so they have space
- YuenglingJagr

Phaneuf is still a decent second pair guy imo. He's not AMac -- he can help a team. But his contract is awful. He is already showing serious decline in his skill set...and he has a full 6 years and $7 mil per coming to him. Toronto just wanted to get free of that contract given they're in full rebuild and looking for more cap space. They did that. Ottawa is a poor underlying team propped up by a handful of great players, with a marginal chance to make the playoffs as buyers, even if they're nowhere close to a cup contender. They got what they wanted too -- even if what they wanted is the very definition of short term gain, long term loss.

BSH posted an article saying Ottawa and Philly are not world's apart as teams. Difference is Hexy would never ever make this trade. He has a #vision.

Phaneuf is still a decent second pair guy imo. He's not AMac -- he can help a team. But his contract is awful. He is already showing serious decline in his skill set...and he has a full 6 years and $7 mil per coming to him. Toronto just wanted to get free of that contract given they're in full rebuild and looking for more cap space. They did that. Ottawa is a poor underlying team propped up by a handful of great players, with a marginal chance to make the playoffs as buyers, even if they're nowhere close to a cup contender. They got what they wanted too -- even if what they wanted is the very definition of short term gain, long term loss.

BSH posted an article saying Ottawa and Philly are not world's apart as teams. Difference is Hexy would never ever make this trade. He has a #vision.
- Mononoke

Yeah I wouldnt have done it if I were them, but Murray wont be around to see the end of that deal (done after this season). I dont think he is that overpaid right now and you really never know what is going to happen 5+ years down the road. What I do know is that they get upgraded on defense for at least 2 years at the cost of 3 players who were doing nothing for them, a 2nd, and a B prospect. That isn't trading for David Clarkson bad or anything but I doubt it screws them over as bad as most think it will

No, because the 3 NHL roster players (sorta) don't have expiring deals.

More like Medvedev, one of Gagner/White, Raffl, and a 2nd plus a Hagg/Cousins/Straka type.
- jmatchett383

Not true, all OTT players still have 1 year remaining after this one. Not expiring... But I take your point that the short contract is the key for TOR.

So maybe more of a mix like: Medvedev, Gagner, RJ, 2nd and Hagg/Straka/etc.

They must have really wanted that contract gone because it's a poor return. I think OTT did alright here, not great but as someone else pointed out they are working on an internal budget not a cap strapped team. They now have a solid back-end for a PO push which they desperately need as a franchise.

Not true, all OTT players still have 1 year remaining after this one. Not expiring... But I take your point that the short contract is the key for TOR.

So maybe more of a mix like: Medvedev, Gagner, RJ, 2nd and Hagg/Straka/etc.

They must have really wanted that contract gone because it's a poor return. I think OTT did alright here, not great but as someone else pointed out they are working on an internal budget not a cap strapped team. They now have a solid back-end for a PO push which they desperately need as a franchise.
- coffee junkie

It is the price you pay for moving out a large contract. If you have the cap space to take it on like OTT, then it is to your advantage

S2TP is not here yet.
- Mononoke

this is my schtick

There is no true comparable for the Flyers to make this trade. It was a guy OTT had buried in the minors cause he was overpaid, a guy that was injured a lto but has been capable of scoring, and a young defenseman that was highly touted but has done a lot of nothing lately (i.e. worse than luke schenn)
- YuenglingJagr

So McDonald, Vinny, L Schenn basically?

Yeah I wouldnt have done it if I were them, but Murray wont be around to see the end of that deal (done after this season). I dont think he is that overpaid right now and you really never know what is going to happen 5+ years down the road. What I do know is that they get upgraded on defense for at least 2 years at the cost of 3 players who were doing nothing for them, a 2nd, and a B prospect. That isn't trading for David Clarkson bad or anything but I doubt it screws them over as bad as most think it will
- YuenglingJagr

Toronto just wanted Phaneuf's contract gone. The fact they retained no money at all, got a B prospect, and a 2nd rounder has them giddy. The other players are just helping even out salary, which they can afford. I don't think it's some catastrophic deal for Ottawa, but in a few seasons, that contract could become an albatross. And now it's their albatross. He does help them make a push and in the immediate couple years though.

I just don't think Ottawa has any self-perspective. They're just not a good team, even if they manage to squeak in again by the hair on EK's chinny chin chin. They're deluding themselves, while following the Holmgren guide to general managing.

To put it slightly in perspective...Byfuglien just signed for 5 years at 7.6 AAV. That is 600k more than Dion and they are the same age. Dion's salary is actually below his cap hit for the last 3 years of the deal.

I think one could argue that Byfugliens game will wear down even more than Phaneufs.

Flyers are going to surge like the Ducks.


Any day now....

Any day now....
- Mononoke

We definitely need a win over a real west coast power house.

You are clearly a person of great intelligence and perspicacity, the Flyers should find a place for you in the front office. The Dept. of No Stupid Faces is obviously every bit as important as the Analytics Dept.
- Doc_Sarcasm

I found my calling

I'd also prefer players have a nickname where it's not just putting an "-er" or '-y" after a players last name to form the nickname.
- johndewar

We will take this into consideration

this is my schtick
- KINGKENZO

I do it better.

Tomorrows headline: Flyers Go Duck Hunting

Phaneuf is still a decent second pair guy imo. He's not AMac -- he can help a team. But his contract is awful. He is already showing serious decline in his skill set...and he has a full 6 years and $7 mil per coming to him. Toronto just wanted to get free of that contract given they're in full rebuild and looking for more cap space. They did that. Ottawa is a poor underlying team propped up by a handful of great players, with a marginal chance to make the playoffs as buyers, even if they're nowhere close to a cup contender. They got what they wanted too -- even if what they wanted is the very definition of short term gain, long term loss.

BSH posted an article saying Ottawa and Philly are not world's apart as teams. Difference is Hexy would never ever make this trade. He has a #vision.
- Mononoke

When did Toronto go into rebuild mode? Today? Last summer when Kessel was traded? The Leafs stink and have since 2004. I personally believe Phaneuf can be a steady number 1on a decent team, with a decent partner. I think we'll see whether or not Dion Phaneuf can truly sink or swim on a team not so far removed from the playoffs. Seriously though, what crappy returns for Phaneuf and Kessel.