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YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 10 @ 12:37 PM ET
Streit's deal can be favorable to teams looking for a PP QB that wil get second pair mintues.

Schultz also could be viewed as an option for teams looking at 2nd (reach)/3rd pair guys.

Medvedev is an enigma that some team might take a flyer on but not to sure it happens.

But mostly we would get picks for those guys and hope to turn them into a decent prospect.

- dragonoffrost


Streits deal cant fit under the cap of most contenders

Schultz isn't as good as most teams defenders

Medvedev could be great...he has tons of skill
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Feb 10 @ 12:37 PM ET
They have always done well with their first round picks, and lately even with the later rounds.

I am very much looking forward to the near future.

- Marc D


I am super excited about the Flyers future. Ridding themselves of a useless, to the Flyers at least, Vinny contract made a huge difference. The only mistake they need to figure out is AMac and the world will open up. The only thing that can hold them back now is a signing/resigning that will hurt them in the future. A lot of players come off the books after next year and they will have so many options.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 10 @ 12:38 PM ET
Medvedev has struggled the last few weeks, but he was actually solid recently. Gudas has been absolutely poopting the bed, and was solely responsible for most of those goals the pairing allowed. Im not saying scratch Gudas either...it just seems REALLY strange they'd shift the blame over to Medvedev and then scratch him, when he was the more solid one on the pairing. If that isn't scape goating....

And you know because Manning got ballsy and fought Maroon that he's staying in. It doesn't weigh on my mind like it used to. It's more, what else is new?

- Mononoke

It's just a poor mix right now and the coach has limited and mainly bad options.

Gudas has to stay because of his size, physical play.
With MDZ and Ghost and Streit, having Medvedev is a bit redundant but replacing him with Manning is a downgrade skill wise.

I'd prefer to see Schultz or even Streit get a game off every once in while and keep Medvedev in. But it just won't happen.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Feb 10 @ 12:39 PM ET
I think VDV, White and Bellemare could be OK in a limited 4th line role. They could also be improved on with a more skill or size or speedier mix. But with a struggling Laughton, an nearly useless Umberger (for the majority of the season), Hakstol has been forced into using VDV, White and PAB as the third line, where they are way overmatched.
- Marc D


The talent the team has as future bottom six forwards is pretty great. I think there might be a day when the VDV-White duo would be like 7th on the depth chart.

There's NAK (maybe top 6 for him), Fazleev, Dove-McFalls, Ghoul, Cousins, Leier, Bardreau, Martel, and more. And those are just guys in the system. There might come a time where the 4th line on this team is a great one, let alone a mediocre 4th line playing as a 3rd.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 10 @ 12:40 PM ET
I am super excited about the Flyers future. Ridding themselves of a useless, to the Flyers at least, Vinny contract made a huge difference. The only mistake they need to figure out is AMac and the world will open up. The only thing that can hold them back now is a signing/resigning that will hurt them in the future. A lot of players come off the books after next year and they will have so many options.
- Glak18

I am really curious to see how they deal with Brayden Schenn.

I just hope he doesn't end up getting more then the Couturier deal, but I think the negotiation could be difficult.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Feb 10 @ 12:42 PM ET
The talent the team has as future bottom six forwards is pretty great. I think there might be a day when the VDV-White duo would be like 7th on the depth chart.

There's NAK (maybe top 6 for him), Fazleev, Dove-McFalls, Ghoul, Cousins, Leier, Bardreau, Martel, and more. And those are just guys in the system. There might come a time where the 4th line on this team is a great one, let alone a mediocre 4th line playing as a 3rd.

- Mononoke



Dove-mcfalls

God I hope he makes it
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 10 @ 12:42 PM ET
The talent the team has as future bottom six forwards is pretty great. I think there might be a day when the VDV-White duo would be like 7th on the depth chart.

There's NAK (maybe top 6 for him), Fazleev, Dove-McFalls, Ghoul, Cousins, Leier, Bardreau, Martel, and more. And those are just guys in the system. There might come a time where the 4th line on this team is a great one, let alone a mediocre 4th line playing as a 3rd.

- Mononoke

All this is really great.
Who will be ready next year?
Cousins maybe. Is he a big step up over VDV/White?
I hope they can find someone this summer in the free agent market to upgrade while the kids are getting ready.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 10 @ 12:43 PM ET
The talent the team has as future bottom six forwards is pretty great. I think there might be a day when the VDV-White duo would be like 7th on the depth chart.

There's NAK (maybe top 6 for him), Fazleev, Dove-McFalls, Ghoul, Cousins, Leier, Bardreau, Martel, and more. And those are just guys in the system. There might come a time where the 4th line on this team is a great one, let alone a mediocre 4th line playing as a 3rd.

- Mononoke


Don't forget Lindblom and Kase.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 10 @ 12:43 PM ET
Dove-mcfalls

God I hope he makes it

- Just5


I feel this way about Ghoul.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 10 @ 12:43 PM ET
All this is really great.
Who will be ready next year?
Cousins maybe. Is he a big step up over VDV/White?
I hope they can find someone this summer in the free agent market to upgrade while the kids are getting ready.

- Marc D


Leier and Cousins could make a push.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Feb 10 @ 12:44 PM ET
And I understand Lappy did well his first season, but I refuse to believe it's not coaching related and mostly personnel. Flyers still have good penalty killers. Maybe they're not a #7 caliber PK personnel unit like under Lappy's first year, but they should still be middle of the pack-ish.

What I see is them receding into the goalie, forming passive unagressive boxes, that allows the opposition to move the puck at will. That's not personnel. Choosing to use VDV and PEB as your top unit over Coots-Read for most of the season is a coaching decision; continually regular shifting White is Lappy's call, while leaving a Raffl or Laughton on the bench.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 07.19.2015

Feb 10 @ 12:47 PM ET
Don't forget Lindblom and Kase.
- jmatchett383


Lindblom and Nak are guys who I think can be top 6...but will probably start out as a downright lethal third line.

Kase -- who knows? Watching the WJC, he just flat out works. There was talk post draft of him being a little chubby, undersized, and a skill player, but he has no fear and is quite gritty. If he makes it to the NHL he could be a good bottom six player, even though I think it's a law you have to be unskilled, big, and hit.
Tomfan365
Joined: 03.11.2013

Feb 10 @ 12:47 PM ET
I think more people had an issue with the trade and his salary more than anything. He'll never be more than a physical bottom-pair defender, but if he came cheap without a NTC/NMC, I'd take him.
- jmatchett383


If we only see him as a bottom pair defender, our rookies will hopefully be filling those spots next year so not sure if we have room for him. 2nd pairing might help but I want the young kids to get a good look.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Feb 10 @ 12:48 PM ET
I am really curious to see how they deal with Brayden Schenn.

I just hope he doesn't end up getting more then the Couturier deal, but I think the negotiation could be difficult.

- Marc D


I personally think Schenn hasn't resigned for 2 reasons:
1) Flyers don't view him like they do Couturier
and/or
2) Schenn's agent. I don't know who represents him, but agents make a huge difference how players are signed/resigned. Relationship status/demands/past history/etc.

IMO signing Schenn for the same or more than Couturier will be a mistake on the Flyers part.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 10 @ 12:49 PM ET
Leier and Cousins could make a push.
- jmatchett383

Leier is interesting to me. Fast skater and seems responsible defensively. A bit small for a typical grinder 4th line role. Not sure he will be ready nest season, who knows though. I think if he makes it they would need a big winger or center on his line to balance things.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 10 @ 12:50 PM ET
Lindblom and Nak are guys who I think can be top 6...but will probably start out as a downright lethal third line.

Kase -- who knows? Watching the WJC, he just flat out works. There was talk post draft of him being a little chubby, undersized, and a skill player, but he has no fear and is quite gritty. If he makes it to the NHL he could be a good bottom six player, even though I think it's a law you have to be unskilled, big, and hit.

- Mononoke


I would love for them to snag one more high skilled forward. Good if they got Laine, I would be so ready! So ready! SO READY!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 10 @ 12:53 PM ET
If we only see him as a bottom pair defender, our rookies will hopefully be filling those spots next year so not sure if we have room for him. 2nd pairing might help but I want the young kids to get a good look.
- Tomfan365


Signing him at $1.5M or so basically makes him a potential healthy scratch/#7 defenseman. He doesn't have to play at all.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Feb 10 @ 12:54 PM ET
Leier is interesting to me. Fast skater and seems responsible defensively. A bit small for a typical grinder 4th line role. Not sure he will be ready nest season, who knows though. I think if he makes it they would need a big winger or center on his line to balance things.
- Marc D


I think Leier has a higher ceiling than 4th line grinder. Matt Read 2.0 is what he can be. He's very good two way. It's not like he couldn't be that 4th liner though. Have a 4th with Leier-Cousins-PEB or something. Fwiw, a Phantoms beat who writes good stuff on the farm team, Tony Androckitis, says Leier is ready now.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 10 @ 12:55 PM ET
I personally think Schenn hasn't resigned for 2 reasons:
1) Flyers don't view him like they do Couturier
and/or
2) Schenn's agent. I don't know who represents him, but agents make a huge difference how players are signed/resigned. Relationship status/demands/past history/etc.

IMO signing Schenn for the same or more than Couturier will be a mistake on the Flyers part.

- Glak18

This is why I find his next contract to be so interesting.

I think it is easier to identify core guys with a well defined role and when they have that, the Flyers typically are more then fair and usually give at least market value or better deals to. G, Jake, Couts last deal for example.

B Schenn, less of a well defined role, but clearly has talent offensively. Not a great puck carrier. Is he a skilled guy or power forward or somewhere in between? He seems to have found a niche at RW with Couts. He is pretty solid on the #1 PP, at least at very good at puck retrieval and occasionally with goal scoring or setting up Simmonds. Less of a scorer from the high slot then Hartnell but not a huge drop.

I think Hexy may play hardball with him as he is RFA. That I think is hugely interesting.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 10 @ 12:57 PM ET
I think Leier has a higher ceiling than 4th line grinder. Matt Read 2.0 is what he can be. He's very good two way. It's not like he couldn't be that 4th liner though. Have a 4th with Leier-Cousins-PEB or something. Fwiw, a Phantoms beat who writes good stuff on the farm team, Tony Androckitis, says Leier is ready now.
- Mononoke

This would be awesome. I think they desperately could use his speed. Konecky, Leier, they can really skate.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 07.19.2015

Feb 10 @ 12:58 PM ET
I would love for them to snag one more high skilled forward. Good if they got Laine, I would be so ready! So ready! SO READY!
- PhillySportsGuy


Here's my list of more reasonable high end forwards I think will be there when they pick: McLeod, Dubois, Keller, Jost, Bellows, and I guess Gauthier, but I'm not the biggest fan of his. Think he has the trappings of a poor ES crash-the-net player.

Problem is there are so many good d men around there too. I can't say I won't be bummed if they go D, but it's not unjustifiable.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 10 @ 12:58 PM ET
I would love for them to snag one more high skilled forward. Good if they got Laine, I would be so ready! So ready! SO READY!
- PhillySportsGuy

Puluuarvy or however it is spelled would be dynamite too.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 10 @ 12:58 PM ET
Leier is interesting to me. Fast skater and seems responsible defensively. A bit small for a typical grinder 4th line role. Not sure he will be ready nest season, who knows though. I think if he makes it they would need a big winger or center on his line to balance things.
- Marc D


I would like to see Leier and Alt get a chance this year. I'm sure the team will move a dman at the deadline and I would like to see him get a chance. He's a righty and they need a righty moving forward.

People who cover the Phantoms have said Morin-Alt has been used as the shutdown pair in LHV. He's a +10, which I know is a flawed statistic, but it's all we got. Still, +10 on a mediocre-bad team while taking on the shutdown assignment seems pretty good.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 10 @ 1:00 PM ET
Puluuarvy or however it is spelled would be dynamite too.
- Marc D


I just want someone with top line potential. I haven't really looked at the prospects yet.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 10 @ 1:00 PM ET
erhoff on waivers? we should claim him
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