In terms of possession stats...Boedker is pretty bad even for the Coyotes
- YuenglingJagr

He plays a lot with Domi though. And he sees good competition. Domi is like a more dazzling Laughton -- he's a possession dumpster fire.

The 78/76/25 line has been driving me nuts lately. They have been instructed, apparently, to cycle the puck in perpetuity and are forbidden to put the puck towards the net. Last year Bellemare would shoot the puck off the rush and wasn't afraid to get the puck to the net. This year, a guy could be giving him five feet down low and he refuses to abandon the protect the puck, back to the play position. Watch them. It's infuriating. If you are going to give them this much time on the ice, they have to do more than just not give up goals.
- wilsonecho91

I am so done with that line. I like each of the guys individually, but like someone mentioned. It is frustrating to see every line tinkered with except that one when they arent even that good

my 3 best Flyer goalies are Bernie Hexy Pelle
- vejim

My favs

Parent
Hextall
Cechmanek

Agree with it or disagree, but here is the answer to the "why" question.


Ron Hextall on Schultz: "You still have to defend. You can’t just have six puck movers, even though a lot of people these days seem to think that. You still have to defend. Those two-way guys are valuable, valuable players. When a guy is just a puck mover, you get into matchup problems. You have to hide those guys, and that’s especially tough to do on the road. People will say those big, slow defensive guys have no role anymore. Yeah, more and more, they’re out. But if you have a guy who can defend and maybe he isn’t great with the puck but he’s OK, he can be a good complement to a guy who can move the puck well. But you still need to defend. A lot of it is stick. I always liked Schultzy from the time I was scouting here. He was a pro, through and through. He competed every night. He’s a great defender; good stick, poised, blocks a lot of shots. His skating was an asset and he’s still pretty mobile even now. He keeps himself in shape, and he leads by example. He shows up and competes every night. He always knew what he is as a player and what he had to do to help the team. He just goes about his business. So I talked to our scouts about him and they still liked him pretty well. Above all, we wanted to add character and Schultzy is a character player. Also, it was a one-year deal, the price wasn’t very high so there wasn’t really much risk. He’s done a good job for us. I have a ton of respect for Nick. He’s a pro’s pro. I hope our young players are watching. Schultzy is a very structured player. When he was inEdmonton, they had a whole bunch of skilled young players that didn’t play the game the way our coaches coached. So I thought he’d be fine. We didn’t expect him to come in and do too much. We expected him to be a good defender and he’d be fine. That’s what we’ve gotten out of him."

Berube and Hakstol clearly agree, because they both entrenched him in their lineups.
- bmeltzer

And believe me, i get that. you also lose a pk guy without schultz, so yes i do see where he fits. my question was more to the theme of my original post, if now read and laughton are scratches, how come schultz hasnt had a night to sit out, see the game from afar, see other defensive pairings that may work. i don't understand, out of the under-performing players on our team, schultz seems to have a free pass. especially in a year where we arent winning the cup and that schultz isn't a part of our future plans. why is he so impervious to the periodical scratch? if schultz isnt on this team do we get more of a look at alt? another question we wont know. in a year where experimentation should be high, and don't get me wrong i see them doing some of it, but why limit yourself. next year should be the year we start getting off the idea of being a bubble team and getting in by way of being a top 3 divisional caliber team.

I am so done with that line. I like each of the guys individually, but like someone mentioned. It is frustrating to see every line tinkered with except that one when they arent even that good
- YuenglingJagr

good point.

I am so done with that line. I like each of the guys individually, but like someone mentioned. It is frustrating to see every line tinkered with except that one when they arent even that good
- YuenglingJagr

PEB is an ok 4th liner. Not great, but ok.
VDV is a tweener.
White is a 12/13th guy. Average 4th liner.

That's our third line. Frankly, if Umby-PEB-White was a 4th line, getting 8 min a game, the team would be better off (I think Umby is slightly better than VDV and can play the same role). But sometimes you just have to "not give a (frank) for Tkachuk."

He plays a lot with Domi though. And he sees good competition. Domi is like a more dazzling Laughton -- he's a possession dumpster fire.
- Mononoke

Domi has a GF% of 51 and Boedker is at 33%

I like Nielsen. If he can be scooped up for 3 years, I'd do it. Truly underrated all around player. Problem is, he'd be the guaranteed 3C (can you IMAGINE having three legit checking line centers in the lineup? Matchup hell) and they might be uninterested in signing a center who would bump Laughton to wing. I think Laughts should be wing, but coach and GM seem to disagree.
- Mononoke

Not really relevant, but every season I played w Flyers in NHL16 I always end up signing Nielsen IF he hit FA.

I like Nielsen. If he can be scooped up for 3 years, I'd do it. Truly underrated all around player. Problem is, he'd be the guaranteed 3C (can you IMAGINE having three legit checking line centers in the lineup? Matchup hell) and they might be uninterested in signing a center who would bump Laughton to wing. I think Laughts should be wing, but coach and GM seem to disagree.
- Mononoke

I think he gets at least four, which is a lot for a 32 year old. But he hasn't slowed down at all from what I've seen/read, and he has the most SO goals since it started. So I think we could use him...

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...utGoals&aggregate=1&pos=S

Domi has a GF% of 51 and Boedker is at 33%
- YuenglingJagr

That's just plus minus under a fancy name. Domi is brutal possession wise. He's super skilled no doubt about it.

He plays a lot with Domi though. And he sees good competition. Domi is like a more dazzling Laughton -- he's a possession dumpster fire.
- Mononoke

OEL doe

I think he gets at least four, which is a lot for a 32 year old. But he hasn't slowed down at all from what I've seen/read, and he has the most SO goals since it started. So I think we could use him...

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...utGoals&aggregate=1&pos=S
- Feanor

Shootout goals is a nice bonus. What I care more about than the 7-10 times a year he might do one is that he's a terrific shutdown 3C who drives play and scored points and plays great PK and can be a solid PP2 option. He's shown zero decline, as you said. He would improve this team drastically. I'd do 4 years too honestly, if the cost was manageable. He's not Vinny 2.0. I just don't see Hexy signing him due to age and the fact that they refuse to play Laughton at wing.

That's just plus minus under a fancy name. Domi is brutal possession wise. He's super skilled no doubt about it.
- Mononoke

Why do we think this is.

Just leads line rushes all the time and rips a shot as opposed to gaining the zone, cycling, etc

That's just plus minus under a #fancy name. Domi is brutal possession wise. He's super skilled no doubt about it.
- Mononoke

ftfy

Why do we think this is.

Just leads line rushes all the time and rips a shot as opposed to gaining the zone, cycling, etc
- Giroux_Is_God

I don't know. I've heard he's atrocious defensively. His numbers say he's the worst even strength shot suppresser on the team among forwards. And that he's also 4th worst at generating shots. Could be he doesn't win board battles or doesn't play a good cycle like you said. I don't know.

ftfy
- Scoob

I'm going to spray paint #fancystats on your tombstone, mister.

I don't know. I've heard he's atrocious defensively. His numbers say he's the worst even strength shot suppresser on the team among forwards. And that he's also 4th worst at generating shots. Could be he doesn't win board battles or doesn't play a good cycle like you said. I don't know.
- Mononoke

Its because all his shots go in

Shootout goals is a nice bonus. What I care more about than the 7-10 times a year he might do one is that he's a terrific shutdown 3C who drives play and scored points and plays great PK and can be a solid PP2 option. He's shown zero decline, as you said. He would improve this team drastically. I'd do 4 years too honestly, if the cost was manageable. He's not Vinny 2.0. I just don't see Hexy signing him due to age and the fact that they refuse to play Laughton at wing.
- Mononoke

I would maybe be interested in a guy like Troy Brouwer. Depending on price but he would be a nice compliment to Laughton on the 3rd line. Veteran guy, cup winner, kills PK, plays a gritty game.

Instead of trying to replace Laughton I would look to try and compliment him. Brouwer on a 1 year deal might be a guy to lean on and provide a good identity as they start getting younger.

That's just plus minus under a fancy name. Domi is brutal possession wise. He's super skilled no doubt about it.
- Mononoke

The point wasnt really the stat its that it was different despite them "playing together"

I'm going to spray paint #fancystats on your tombstone, mister.
- Mononoke

lol

I would maybe be interested in a guy like Troy Brouwer. Depending on price but he would be a nice compliment to Laughton on the 3rd line. Veteran guy, cup winner, kills PK, plays a gritty game.

Instead of trying to replace Laughton I would look to try and compliment him. Brouwer on a 1 year deal might be a guy to lean on and provide a good identity as they start getting younger.
- J35Bacher

Brouwer is only 30. He's still serviceable enough that he gets 3 years or something. I just think Nielsen is outstanding.

To the best of my recollection Roy never handled the puck quite like hextall. The popularization of the butterfly, that's on roy.
- twotoekenn

That's more what I was referring to. Roy and Hextall showed the NHL that the butterfly worked, although Hextall was more of a hybrid than Roy.

Brouwer is only 30. He's still serviceable enough that he gets 3 years or something. I just think Nielsen is outstanding.
- Mononoke

You don't think Nielsen is getting 3 years?

Shootout goals is a nice bonus. What I care more about than the 7-10 times a year he might do one is that he's a terrific shutdown 3C who drives play and scored points and plays great PK and can be a solid PP2 option. He's shown zero decline, as you said. He would improve this team drastically. I'd do 4 years too honestly, if the cost was manageable. He's not Vinny 2.0. I just don't see Hexy signing him due to age and the fact that they refuse to play Laughton at wing.
- Mononoke

I'm firmly in the move Laughton to LW camp. They did it for four games during Cousins first call up this season, so hopefully they'll try it again. Right now I'd play these guys ahead of him at center:

Giroux
Couturier
Raffl
Bellemare
Cousins
Maybe Weal, too

You don't think Nielsen is getting 3 years?
- J35Bacher

3-4 probably. And he's slightly older than Brouwer. Difference is Brouwer actually is the worst possession Blues forward. Nielsen is second best on the Isles, even though he goes against top lines. Nielsen is essentially having two Couturier's on the team. Brouwer is just a declining vet.