Bad team + Giroux bobble head giveaway =Loss.
- Pelle31Forever

divided by Umberger back in the lineup = hockeybuzz meltdown
- funmaster18

Ok, I did the MATTH-ews

well they did tough guy, (frank) you


- funmaster18

Yes
I'm not sure about Lindros. Such a rocky history.
- Scoob

I'm hoping it's water under the bridge after the 2012 Winter Classic.

- jak521

Why does he deserve better? Because he is so effective?

He hasnt had a good season since 2013-14. He is supposed to provide some supplemental offense, but thats not happening either. Maybe a game or two off will help.

We sorely lack offensive punch outside of the top 6, and Read isnt helping any.
- jak521

Read provides more supplemental offense than anyone else in the bottom 6.

http://stats.hockeyanalys...p=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

Except Laughton. But unfortunately Laughton has been getting killed in the possession game all season, despite being heavily sheltered.

http://stats.hockeyanalys...p=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

Lindros yes, no to everybody else. Giroux will be if he ends the Cup drought.

Read provides more supplemental offense than anyone else in the bottom 6.

http://stats.hockeyanalys...p=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC
- Feanor

Sad as that statement is

Why does he deserve better? Because he is so effective?

He hasnt had a good season since 2013-14. He is supposed to provide some supplemental offense, but thats not happening either. Maybe a game or two off will help.

We sorely lack offensive punch outside of the top 6, and Read isnt helping any.
- jak521

So the clear answer is to play RJ Umberger in his place???

Yes, I think I'm going to go eat lunch now
- mattstake

hopefully you dont have to drink it through a straw like Mc-DUN-nuh

What treatment?

Read said he played best on RW. Same as Simmonds and Schenn.

Simmonds playing well on top line and Schenn playing well with Couturier until injury.

For a while the top 2 lines were playing well together.

Voracek - Giroux - Simmonds
Raffl - Couturier - Schenn


Not sure where he was going to go based on his preference and how things were.

Also I think Read's role is that of a 3rd line winger. Kind of like Raffl. Guys nice to have but not guys I think you want in your top 6 where you rely on them to produce continually.
- J35Bacher

For most of the season Matt Read has been a 4th line, second unit PP net presence, while being used on the PK regularly. Now he's being scratched a second time this season while neing 10 times the player he was last year. Matt Read is more then this. A responsible top 6, two way player with skill. He's not gonna carry Laughton and Umberger or anyone else.

Lindros yes, no to everybody else. Giroux will be if he ends the Cup drought.
- KINGKENZO

It's undebatable for me with the Big E.

I'm not sure about Lindros. Such a rocky history.
- Scoob

Yeah.

Howe's the only non-Bullies guy to have his number retired, and that's because he was Mark (frank)ing Howe.

Lindros yes, no to everybody else. Giroux will be if he ends the Cup drought.
- KINGKENZO

Still don't know how Propp and Kerr are in the HOF while Recchi isn't. I'm not taking anything away from those 2, but Recchi has the team record for points in a season and spent parts of 10 season with the team. As for Dave Schultz....

Hextall definitely. I mean the guy scored a goal for cryin' out loud.

I just always liked LeClair and he definitely impressed me with his speech. The Legion of Doom was a force and will be remembered in Flyers history. I think he and Lindros were such a dynamic duo that he deserves it.
- funmaster18

You cant retire LeClair's 10 if you dont retire Kerr's 12

It's undebatable for me with the Big E.
- SuperSchennBros

I'd say it was never going to happen until they buried the hatchet a couple years ago with the winter classic and then subsequently inducting him into the Flyers Hall of Fame. It paved the way for this possibility.

For most of the season Matt Read has been a 4th line, second unit PP net presence, while being used on the PK regularly. Now he's being scratched a second time this season while neing 10 times the player he was last year. Matt Read is more then this. A responsible top 6, two way player with skill. He's not gonna carry Laughton and Umberger or anyone else.
- SuperSchennBros

He was scratched before this season and responded well to it and came back scoring 1 or 2 goals next game. Or had a multi point game. Maybe that's what Haks trying to do (again)

read does nothing for me, had his best season when jar was here, declined ever since...a glorified 4th liner imo

I have a question.

I think it's a given Eric Lindros' number will be retired one day in Philly. I believe we all debated whether or not Hextall will be years before becoming an Assistant General Manager in Philly but this is a pretty big gray area and we've seen many 27's since him. What about John LeClair and Claude Giroux? Do you think these numbers will someday be retired? Another gray area, Mark Recchi.

Thoughts.
- SuperSchennBros

The Flyers will more or less only retire numbers of players in the Hockey Hall of Fame (the "big" Hall in Toronto, not just team HOF and/or U.S. Hockey HOF). Barry Ashbee was a special case.

Ok, I did the MATTH-ews
- DaveofYork

lol very good

So the clear answer is to play RJ Umberger in his place???
- jmatchett383

Never said that.

I just dont think it is that much of a big deal. We arent making the playoffs. We have lost 3 in a row and the 3rd loss was the worst. Maybe Read is a bit banged up. Maybe they wanna give him and Laughton a night in the press box to soak things up.. Maybe the chose to do it tonight because its against another non-playoff team, and we have a back to back this weekend.

I dont think Umberger is a capable NHLer anymore, but Read and Laughton getting scratched for a game isnt the end of the world.

You cant retire LeClair's 10 if you dont retire Kerr's 12
- KINGKENZO

Let's just retire every number for a player that was halfway decent, make it real difficult for current guys to pick numbers

read does nothing for me, had his best season when jar was here, declined ever since...a glorified 4th liner imo
- mydoglicks

He had 3 20-goal seasons (pro-rated 12/13 for 79 games), 2 of them after Jagr was gone. Also, he and Jagr were never linemates. His production has gone down, but he put up 30 points last year and is on pace for another mid-high 20 points this year. Please tell me how that is "glorified 4th liner."

For most of the season Matt Read has been a 4th line, second unit PP net presence, while being used on the PK regularly. Now he's being scratched a second time this season while neing 10 times the player he was last year. Matt Read is more then this. A responsible top 6, two way player with skill. He's not gonna carry Laughton and Umberger or anyone else.
- SuperSchennBros

I wouldn't say he is a top 6.

I believe Read and Raffl are about the same. Guys that can fill in the top 6 if needed but good 3rd line players. Play a good two way game, kill penalties. Can play some PP minutes.

So he sits a game or two.

Never said that.

I just dont think it is that much of a big deal. We arent making the playoffs. We have lost 3 in a row and the 3rd loss was the worst. Maybe Read is a bit banged up. Maybe they wanna give him and Laughton a night in the press box to soak things up.. Maybe the chose to do it tonight because its against another non-playoff team, and we have a back to back this weekend.

I dont think Umberger is a capable NHLer anymore, but Read and Laughton getting scratched for a game isnt the end of the world.
- jak521

You said, "We sorely lack offensive punch outside of the top 6, and Read isnt helping any."

That may be true, but he'd help the bottom 6 with that (and on the PK) a lot more than Umberger would. He's the best option we have.

It's undebatable for me with the Big E.
- SuperSchennBros

You mentioned that.