The Bolts should not get a monstrous package, they should have signed him before this season and since they didn't now they need to pay the consequences.
- Leniwm1

takes 2 to tangle...maybe Stamkos didn't want to sign before the season...

takes 2 to tangle...maybe Stamkos didn't want to sign before the season...
- Fruitcakenipple

GTFO with this logical post

GTFO with this logical post
- uf1910

..Dont see any out come in this where anyone could blame the Bolts/Steve Y..It's the player that signs on the line..

Yzerman has proven to be a great GM. That being said he botched this situation. He should have set a deadline in the summer to either sign him or trade him. One the few things Ray Shero did well was trading Staal with a year left on his deal when he realized Jordan was going to UFA. Can't risk letting an assets like that leave for nothing and Stamkos is a much better player than Staal.

Yzerman has proven to be a great GM. That being said he botched this situation. He should have set a deadline in the summer to either sign him or trade him. One the few things Ray Shero did well was trading Staal with a year left on his deal when he realized Jordan was going to UFA. Can't risk letting an assets like that leave for nothing and Stamkos is a much better player than Staal.
- madmike71

Players and agents dont like deadlines....Steve Y wants to keep Stamkos in TB..No way you can force the issue..+Dont forget Stamkos has a NTC..Pissing him off wouldn't help the situation..

..Dont see any out come in this where anyone could blame the Bolts/Steve Y..It's the player that signs on the line..
- Fruitcakenipple

No no no yzerman is a bad gm and everyone hates him

takes 2 to tangle...maybe Stamkos didn't want to sign before the season...
- Fruitcakenipple

Absotutly, but if he wanted to stay a Bolt he would have signed last year. This is Parise all over again.

Yzerman has proven to be a great GM. That being said he botched this situation. He should have set a deadline in the summer to either sign him or trade him. One the few things Ray Shero did well was trading Staal with a year left on his deal when he realized Jordan was going to UFA. Can't risk letting an assets like that leave for nothing and Stamkos is a much better player than Staal.
- madmike71

So you can't sign a guy until he's in the last year of his deal and at that time the full NMC was in effect but yeah yzerman botched this one big time.

Absotutly, but if he wanted to stay a Bolt he would have signed last year. This is Parise all over again.
- Leniwm1

Maybe stamkos didn't make it known there was any intent to leave...

Stamkos to Toronto after that 9 player deal to clear space for him.

Absotutly, but if he wanted to stay a Bolt he would have signed last year. This is Parise all over again.
- Leniwm1

Well if he wants to leave than TB cant stop that...Demanding he sign last year wouldn't have happened..Stamkos controls this for the most part.....

Stamkos to Toronto after that 9 player deal to clear space for him.
- BlackhawkMike

Leafs will go after him come July 1 if he's a FA..Just like many other teams...

Maybe stamkos didn't make it known there was any intent to leave...
- Feds91Stammer

yep... could very well be that...

..Dont see any out come in this where anyone could blame the Bolts/Steve Y..It's the player that signs on the line..
- Fruitcakenipple

Absolutely agreed. Some will for sure but at the end of the day it will/would take both parties to agree to keep him. If he wants too much and isn't willing to budge off his asking price that Yzerman doesn't feel is justified than IMO we are smart to let him walk.

So you can't sign a guy until he's in the last year of his deal and at that time the full NMC was in effect but yeah yzerman botched this one big time.
- Feds91Stammer

When did his NMC kick in? I don't know the specific details of his contract, but you'd think the NMC started the minute the new season started. If the NMC started the minute the last season ended, then the GM who signed that contract was an idiot.

When did his NMC kick in? I don't know the specific details of his contract, but you'd think the NMC started the minute the new season started. If the NMC started the minute the last season ended, then the GM who signed that contract was an idiot.
- madmike71

July 1st I do believe. Him and Meehan had this planned out last negoiation.

Yzerman has proven to be a great GM. That being said he botched this situation. He should have set a deadline in the summer to either sign him or trade him. One the few things Ray Shero did well was trading Staal with a year left on his deal when he realized Jordan was going to UFA. Can't risk letting an assets like that leave for nothing and Stamkos is a much better player than Staal.
- madmike71

Made the SCF last year. Sorry but that has to play into any situation like this.

Also Staal situation wasn't the same as Pens knew they couldn't afford what it would take to keep him with Malkin/Crosby etc. Bolts (and Stammer) are deciding if there is a number that the Bolts can handle. Stammer is a core type player, Staal while a very good one isn't/wasn't. That's why Malkin and Crosby are still there and Staal is in Carolina.

Players and agents dont like deadlines....Steve Y wants to keep Stamkos in TB..No way you can force the issue..+Dont forget Stamkos has a NTC..Pissing him off wouldn't help the situation..
- Fruitcakenipple

Still continuing with your logic...

When did his NMC kick in? I don't know the specific details of his contract, but you'd think the NMC started the minute the new season started. If the NMC started the minute the last season ended, then the GM who signed that contract was an idiot.
- madmike71

It kicked in this year. Yzerman Was the gm. Stamkos probably had it in because he has no intentions of becoming a ufa rental.

July 1st I do believe. Him and Meehan had this planned out last negoiation.
- Artyukhin76

Correct. At no point did Stamkos want to be a rental.

When did his NMC kick in? I don't know the specific details of his contract, but you'd think the NMC started the minute the new season started. If the NMC started the minute the last season ended, then the GM who signed that contract was an idiot.
- madmike71

Or maybe that was needed to get Stammer to sign that contract in the first place. Bolts went through the same speculation when he signed his current deal as an RFA when in that case the Bolts basically controlled the negotiations. In this situation you are trying to make the case that the Bolts control how this was going to happen when in fact as a pending UFA it is Stamkos basically controlling how/if/when anything happens. Oh and it was Yzerman that signed him to that deal...and he is far from an idiot

Made the SCF last year. Sorry but that has to play into any situation like this.

Also Staal situation wasn't the same as Pens knew they couldn't afford what it would take to keep him with Malkin/Crosby etc. Bolts (and Stammer) are deciding if there is a number that the Bolts can handle. Stammer is a core type player, Staal while a very good one isn't/wasn't. That's why Malkin and Crosby are still there and Staal is in Carolina.
- uf1910

Not true. Staal refused to sign the exact same deal that he eventually signed with Carolina.....and it actually was an over-payment. We're glad he didn't sign the deal.

All I'm saying is by letting that linger past the deadline of July 1st (according to the poster above) dramatically shifted leverage. I don't care what anybody says, that's a mistake. Contracts are how I make a living, anytime you let leverage shift like that be prepared for the worst case scenario.

Anyway, TB has a very good chance of winning the cup so that will keep you warm if he leaves for nothing. Not that you need to be warm, It's not 3 f'n degrees down there like it is here.

Supposedly working out and skating at his home.

Hopefully he is also thinking he shouldn't have walked away and flipping a coin on whether to continue sitting out or begging to be allowed back on the Crunch.

Made the SCF last year. Sorry but that has to play into any situation like this.

Also Staal situation wasn't the same as Pens knew they couldn't afford what it would take to keep him with Malkin/Crosby etc. Bolts (and Stammer) are deciding if there is a number that the Bolts can handle. Stammer is a core type player, Staal while a very good one isn't/wasn't. That's why Malkin and Crosby are still there and Staal is in Carolina.
- uf1910

Absolutely.....

If i was a TB fan i wouldn't want management to trade him...TB has a shot at a long playoff run again this year and even if it means he walks i would take him for that run even if it meant losing him for nothing...

I get the asset management thing but a playoff run very imp as well...

Not true. Staal refused to sign the exact same deal that he eventually signed with Carolina.....and it actually was an over-payment. We're glad he didn't sign the deal.

All I'm saying is by letting that linger past the deadline of July 1st (according to the poster above) dramatically shifted leverage. I don't care what anybody says, that's a mistake. Contracts are how I make a living, anytime you let leverage shift like that be prepared for the worst case scenario.

Anyway, TB has a very good chance of winning the cup so that will keep you warm if he leaves for nothing. Not that you need to be warm, It's not 3 f'n degrees down there like it is here.
- madmike71

So Mr contract expert what should they have done prior to July 1st when the nmc kicked in?