Clearly there are a few people in the organization waving the red flag on Shink, who knows what the issues are but that's what you hire these guys to assess.
- neem55

JB does scare me a lot but I really don't think this trade is as bad as most Canuck fans believe it is. Lets see how Granlund performs.

You lost what little respect you had when you believed that the Leafs were my second favourite team.
- Scooby_Doo

Who the f@ck has 2nd favourite teams?

That's not true. Today the Flames won the trade. They got the better player.

People keep saying this must mean that there is another deal coming... Well no poop, the trade deadline is less than a week away and we are sellers... Hopefully

I've lost all faith in Benning as a GM. He over analyses deals, players etc... he has no management skills, he's a hockey mind that scouts players. He's going back to the well with players he's been high on before that didn't pan out (Bartkowski) or his AGM was high on that didn't pan out (Baerstchi, Granlund). I'm very concerned at what will happen in the next week.

The next week and the draft will shape this franchise for the next 10 years. I really hope he doesn't mess it up.
- Scooby_Doo

You're joking right? Firstly, how often have you seen either player play? secondly, if youre going by numbers, they have eerily similar numbers in the A at the same age. Thirdly, at this stage, the player that can playin the NHL is the better player.

Granted, I would agree that Shinkaruk may have the potential to be a much superior player, at this stage, you are just being a drama queen.

Time, ultimately, will be the judge of this deal....

In Green I trust.

Someone needs to save this quote for future reference. Real easy to be an armchair GM...
- pmg2008

Agreed.

Carol, I disagree that this move has anything to do with this season. Benning knows we aren't making the playoffs. Benning, Linden, Green and the scouts aren't high on Shink so they wanted to ship him out before they were forced to play him in the NHL. I think it's fairly simple, they felt his value would diminish as he flounderd on the Canucks next season. I tend to agree but we won't know if it was a smart move for a few years. I think Shink would get crushed in the NHL and he will have trouble scoring as well. His shot is pretty average so he won't be able to score from the perimeter like Boeser or Mccan are able to.
- CanuckDon

Pretty much, get it done before we get a disgruntled player that would make problems in the future.

Not so fast Scooby, Granlund had 25 goals and 46 points in 52 games when he was the same age as Shinkaruk in the ahl. I would bet TravisGreen says Shink will never make it.
- joegreif17

He probably had better linemates.

Travis Green would never say that.

He probably had better linemates.

Travis Green would never say that.
- Scooby_Doo

Oh ya, that's it.....

He or Bo, although I don't think Cracknell is here next year either. Granlund is part of the new bottom 6, should resign for a pretty reasonable number I hope. If he can win FO's and PK well, I don't hate the deal. Clearly he's not as skilled as Shink, but maybe we just got an NHL bottom 6 for a AHL top 6.
- neem55

Could be worth a draft pick on Monday. Veteran center with reasonable size playing better than expected. Simple, playoff-style game.

This could have been the kicker. Scouts on Shink have been claiming he is a weak perimeter player that has basically garnered most of his points on the PP. Not a two way guy that needs to be in the tope 6. Apparently Granlund has the two way game JB and his scouts look for. I'm willing to wait and see on this one and hope it's another baertchi. Although it would have been nice to see Shink on the Nucks for at least half season next year to gauge him but it wasn't to be.
- LordHumungous

Okay guys, look at it this way. Baertschi and Granlund are the same age and both played in the ahl together as 20 year olds. Granlund had 25 goals and 45 points in 52 games while Baertschi had 6 goals and 13 assists in more games. I think Baertschi is a bright spot and based on what they did as 20 year olds Granlund is likely a much better players based on stats, not development. I say let us see what Granlund can do, who knows we did not expect Naslund to turn into Mr. Allstar

Okay guys, look at it this way. Baertschi and Granlund are the same age and both played in the ahl together as 20 year olds. Granlund had 25 goals and 45 points in 52 games while Baertschi had 6 goals and 13 assists in more games. I think Baertschi is a bright spot and based on what they did as 20 year olds Granlund is likely a much better players based on stats, not development. I say let us see what Granlund can do, who knows we did not expect Naslund to turn into Mr. Allstar
- joegreif17

This post is way to reasonable to be in this thread. Please show yourself the door.

I keep hearing people say this... But I haven't found any comparable stats that would back up this statement. Granlund has scored at a better pace than Shinkaruk at the AHL level, and is, by all accounts, better defensively.
- nucks_94

Compare 1st year stats

http://forecaster.thehock...ws/hockey/player.php?8965
http://forecaster.thehock...ws/hockey/player.php?9888

Pretty much, get it done before we get a disgruntled player that would make problems in the future.
- SRam19

Exactly. One thing I like about this management group is they aren't afraid to make bold moves and potentially mistakes. Gillis hurt the future of the team because he was afraid of public perception and it caused him to hold onto assets too long when it was clear they should have been shipped out.

If Benning doesn't like somebody they are gone and he doesn't care about perception. He brings in the players he and the scouts want. He also isn't afraid to admit mistakes and ship them out or waive them (Vey, Clendenning). It's clear he will make some mistakes but I appreciate that he is decisive and has a vision for the roster. That and I like the trade action

Who the f@ck has 2nd favourite teams?
- thundachunk

Nobody. At least not since HNIC decided everything had to be all-Leafs, all the time. Had they gone with a true national coverage approach as was CBC's mandate, we would have been exposed to other markets more often. That potentially would have made more of us interested in other teams and not just limited to our own markets.

This post is way to reasonable to be in this thread. Please show yourself the door.
- fiveandagame

yeah, that post must be breaking some coc rules or something.

Compare 1st year stats

http://forecaster.thehock...ws/hockey/player.php?8965
http://forecaster.thehock...ws/hockey/player.php?9888
- Lostinarink

To be fair Granlund is older.

Okay guys, look at it this way. Baertschi and Granlund are the same age and both played in the ahl together as 20 year olds. Granlund had 25 goals and 45 points in 52 games while Baertschi had 6 goals and 13 assists in more games. I think Baertschi is a bright spot and based on what they did as 20 year olds Granlund is likely a much better players based on stats, not development. I say let us see what Granlund can do, who knows we did not expect Naslund to turn into Mr. Allstar
- joegreif17

Flagged twice

Once for a rational post and once for cheering for Phuckers team.

This post is way to reasonable to be in this thread. Please show yourself the door.
- fiveandagame

My favourite comments are the ones where JB is an excellent scout and evaluates young players really well, his drafting is great but cant do it at the pro level. As if scouting a hockey player's ability and determining if they have talent changes after they hit 20 years old

Exactly. One thing I like about this management group is they aren't afraid to make bold moves and potentially mistakes. Gillis hurt the future of the team because he was afraid of public perception and it caused him to hold onto assets too long when it was clear they should have been shipped out.

If Benning doesn't like somebody they are gone and he doesn't care about perception. He brings in the players he and the scouts want. He also isn't afraid to admit mistakes and ship them out or waive them (Vey, Clendenning). It's clear he will make some mistakes but I appreciate that he is decisive and has a vision for the roster. That and I like the trade action
- CanuckDon

This

In Green I trust.
- thundachunk

maybe he wants WD job.

Carol, I disagree that this move has anything to do with this season. Benning knows we aren't making the playoffs. Benning, Linden, Green and the scouts aren't high on Shink so they wanted to ship him out before they were forced to play him in the NHL. I think it's fairly simple, they felt his value would diminish as he flounderd on the Canucks next season. I tend to agree but we won't know if it was a smart move for a few years. I think Shink would get crushed in the NHL and he will have trouble scoring as well. His shot is pretty average so he won't be able to score from the perimeter like Boeser or Mccan are able to.
- CanuckDon

Thanks, I appreciate this perspective.

Your position makes sense, especially if it's true that the biggest impetus was getting rid of Shinkaruk - and that seems like it's true since they backed off their demand for Poirier and settled on Granlund.

Food for thought.

Forgive my ignorance, but I have a question about Matthews, and since we might have a shot at him, thought I would get the knowledgeable opinions of my fellow Canuck's fans.

Is Matthews a generational talent like a McJesus or Crosby, or is he ,or Elite like a Taverese or Seguin?

Just curious as I hear how amazing he is but not very many comparables.

I have a weird feeling that McCann IS getting traded this week. I hope I am wrong.
- Codes1087

Dimes to dollars, its McCann and Gaunce for Drouin....

Exactly. One thing I like about this management group is they aren't afraid to make bold moves and potentially mistakes. Gillis hurt the future of the team because he was afraid of public perception and it caused him to hold onto assets too long when it was clear they should have been shipped out.

If Benning doesn't like somebody they are gone and he doesn't care about perception. He brings in the players he and the scouts want. He also isn't afraid to admit mistakes and ship them out or waive them (Vey, Clendenning). It's clear he will make some mistakes but I appreciate that he is decisive and has a vision for the roster. That and I like the trade action
- CanuckDon

Gotta stop comparing Gillis and Benning. Both in trades and draft productivity. One was continuing to try and win with a highly successful team while their window was still open. The other is merely poking the residual tire fire of that success, waiting for it to burn itself out.

Ben Kuzma‏@benkuzma
Desjardins also said Vrbata "could" be out a week which could hurt his value at trade deadline. #Canucks

Wondering if Vrbata is really hurt or if they are keeping him out of the lineup before the TDL so he doesn't get hurt and is able to be traded?