He's the only thing I look forward to on this team now.
- SRam19

I like Horvat Tryamkin Markstrom Gaunce Sven . I like the way that is shaping up .

Stripping the captaincy from henrik just like SJ did to big Joe. Maybe it is time for Daniel and Henrik to just get back to playing and not have to carry the burden of being a leader in the locker room.
- manvanfan

I am talking friction in the room , not leadership

I like Horvat Tryamkin Markstrom Gaunce Sven . I like the way that is shaping up .
- VANTEL

I like them and also Hutton and Sutter

Jake manned up to the late hit. Let's take that part off the table.

Henrik came out and said it was wrong it was a late hit. Captains don't usually do that if everything is kosher.

JV came out and called out his captain . Something a rookie player knows better not to do.

It doesn't sound like everything is fine in paradise
- VANTEL

Totally agree. I was surprised when I heard Henrik's comment on the hit and was surprised it wasn't a bigger deal at the time.

JV's reaction (in public) confirms he didn't like it and doesn't care who knows it.

That doesn't happen in a harmonious room.

Stripping the captaincy from henrik just like SJ did to big Joe. Maybe it is time for Daniel and Henrik to just get back to playing and not have to carry the burden of being a leader in the locker room.
- manvanfan

No reason to do that, they're only here for two more years and Bo or whoever can emerge as leader in that time. I think teams make a mistake in making young guys captain too often.

I won't question the leadership, all I am saying is there is probably more to this than meets the eye
- VANTEL

I will. And for sure there is always more to it but personally IMO in this case Hank needs to tread carefully on what he says in public. if there is a problem in the room solve it from within.

Polak has a history of dirty play. 3-4 weeks ago in SJ he tried more than once to take out a few of our guys. I don't know that details of the JV hit on Polak as I didn't see the game or what transpired before but chances are Polak had it coming...late hit or not.

There is a fine line between confidence and cockiness.
- Codes1087

This.

He was all but assured a place on the team this year, to be that young and know the management is giving you this has to be a hard thing to be humble about. He has been supported and praised all year long with the exception of the past month maybe? He should not have made any comments this time around

I will. And for sure there is always more to it but personally IMO in this case Hank needs to tread carefully on what he says in public. if there is a problem in the room solve it from within.

Polak has a history of dirty play. 3-4 weeks ago in SJ he tried more than once to take out a few of our guys. I don't know that details of the JV hit on Polak as I didn't see the game or what transpired before but chances are Polak had it coming...late hit or not.
- LordHumungous

I agree. IMO it should stay in the room as much as possible. JV has been standing up for his teammates and himself on the ice, the hit was late but I think we all want to see players out there sending the message he is: back off, this isn't that team anymore, so don't take shots at our guys.

I hope it's not a big deal, but Vantel may be right that there is some friction.

It never was his team . He came in being touted as a North South coach that plays all four lines. He found out he has an East West team and the lions share of the time goes to the two top players.
- VANTEL

I'm not sure what you mean?

Sedin's if anything have seen a decrease of ice time under WD, they still get more icetime but it sounds like you are insinuating that the Sedin's are getting preferential treatment that they don't deserve ?

H.Sedin 18:26 min per game
D.Sedin 18:21
Sutter 17:58
Horvat 17:05
hansen 16:23
Vrbata 16:02
Vey 15:45
Granlund 15:22
Burrows 15:02

Totally agree. I was surprised when I heard Henrik's comment on the hit and was surprised it wasn't a bigger deal at the time.

JV's reaction (in public) confirms he didn't like it and doesn't care who knows it.

That doesn't happen in a harmonious room.
- whales

Exactly

3-2 Canucks! Keep er goin boys

I'm not sure what you mean?

Sedin's if anything have seen a decrease of ice time under WD, they still get more icetime but it sounds like you are insinuating that the Sedin's are getting preferential treatment that they don't deserve ?

H.Sedin 18:26 min per game
D.Sedin 18:21
Sutter 17:58
Horvat 17:05
hansen 16:23
Vrbata 16:02
Vey 15:45
Granlund 15:22
Burrows 15:02
- belcherbd

Where did I say they didn't deserve it. I said they do get the most ice time . I do think they get the bulk of the PP. I do think they get Offensive zone starts. I did say it went to the top two players but I don't remember writing they don't deserve it. Can you point out where I said that?

3-2 Canucks! Keep er goin boys
- Bigalow

you guys have no excuse other than a goalie to be bad. Bugger off

3-2 Canucks! Keep er goin boys
- Bigalow

You guys already can't finish lower than Edmonton. Van still has a chance if they lose out

Where did I say they didn't deserve it. I said they do get the most ice time . I do think they get the bulk of the PP. I do think they get Offensive zone starts. I did say it went to the top two players but I don't remember writing they don't deserve it. Can you point out where I said that?
- VANTEL

Well thats forsure, I hope next season that drop pass to Hank stops, way to predictable basically every powerplay

Jake came out on Twitter and said " I have to chose my timing better for the hit" he recognized it was a late hit.

He is talking about Hanks comments. That is a different issue. I heard Don Taylor say the other week the Sedins are not all sugar and sweet. There has been a few cases where eyes have been raised with them ( Vrbata) and Lefty read something the other week the Sedins not being amused by JM and JV ethics.

Not pointing fingers but there seems to be a little more to this than just one comment.
- VANTEL

At this point in their career, the Sedins have earned the right to be critical of teammates. When the team was winning President's Cups we never heard anything about any problems. Everybody who came though that door said they were consummate pros.

Now that they're cellar dwellers, there's whispers they might have an attitude about other's level of professionalism? As leaders of a team that's been truly awful this season, they damn well better have an opinion that some guys aren't committed enough and absolutely should make it known.

You want to keep losing, maintain a harmonius status quo even when it's obvious some aren't pulling their weight.

Criticism from Vrbata? Good grief. That just proves they're right!

At this point in their career, the Sedins have earned the right to be critical of teammates. When the team was winning President's Cups we never heard anything about any problems. Everybody who came though that door said they were consummate pros.

Now that they're cellar dwellers, there's whispers they might have an attitude about other's level of professionalism? As leaders of a team that's been truly awful this season, they damn well better have an opinion that some guys aren't committed enough and absolutely should make it known.

You want to keep losing, maintain a harmonius status quo even when it's obvious some aren't pulling their weight.

Criticism from Vrbata? Good grief. That just proves they're right!
- YeOldTimer

Where did I say they didn't deserve it. I said they do get the most ice time . I do think they get the bulk of the PP. I do think they get Offensive zone starts. I did say it went to the top two players but I don't remember writing they don't deserve it. Can you point out where I said that?
- VANTEL

So again I don't understand what your point is by saying the Sedin's get more icetime and pp time.....

At this point in their career, the Sedins have earned the right to be critical of teammates. When the team was winning President's Cups we never heard anything about any problems. Everybody who came though that door said they were consummate pros.

Now that they're cellar dwellers, there's whispers they might have an attitude about other's level of professionalism? As leaders of a team that's been truly awful this season, they damn well better have an opinion that some guys aren't committed enough and absolutely should make it known.

You want to keep losing, maintain a harmonius status quo even when it's obvious some aren't pulling their weight.

Criticism from Vrbata? Good grief. That just proves they're right!
- YeOldTimer

We didn't like the country club attitude where things were all positive, happiness and rainbows and now they are calling guys out and asking them to be better. And lets not forget how supportive the whole team was when Jake was the scapegoat for Team Canada, they have had his back

You guys already can't finish lower than Edmonton. Van still has a chance if they lose out
- WhiteLie

At this point in their career, the Sedins have earned the right to be critical of teammates. When the team was winning President's Cups we never heard anything about any problems. Everybody who came though that door said they were consummate pros.

Now that they're cellar dwellers, there's whispers they might have an attitude about other's level of professionalism? As leaders of a team that's been truly awful this season, they damn well better have an opinion that some guys aren't committed enough and absolutely should make it known.

You want to keep losing, maintain a harmonius status quo even when it's obvious some aren't pulling their weight.

Criticism from Vrbata? Good grief. That just proves they're right!
- YeOldTimer

For me I don't like calling the team out like Daniel did . Three games of no goals and they had one goal between them in 8 games. Timing is everything. They are the two highest paid guys and the ones that need to lead by example. During that stretch was the play where Daniel was on the two on one with Grenier in the clear and Daniel passed the puck back to his brother who was covered.

If I am a player in the room I would call them out about passing to someone else and not just the two of them, probably like Vrbata might have done last year.

Not everyone that walks into the room is going to love that style and may say something against it. I don't know what goes on in the room same as anyone else here but I cant see how a two man cycle game would please everyone.

We didn't like the country club attitude where things were all positive, happiness and rainbows and now they are calling guys out and asking them to be better. And lets not forget how supportive the whole team was when Jake was the scapegoat for Team Canada, they have had his back
- WhiteLie

I agree, Jake's fine, the Sedins are fine, this is much to do about nothing.

So again I don't understand what your point is by saying the Sedin's get more icetime and pp time.....
- belcherbd

So you assumed

Thunda said WD lost the room Dec 1 . I said WD never owned the room at all . It always belonged to the players.

At this point in their career, the Sedins have earned the right to be critical of teammates. When the team was winning President's Cups we never heard anything about any problems. Everybody who came though that door said they were consummate pros.

Now that they're cellar dwellers, there's whispers they might have an attitude about other's level of professionalism? As leaders of a team that's been truly awful this season, they damn well better have an opinion that some guys aren't committed enough and absolutely should make it known.

You want to keep losing, maintain a harmonius status quo even when it's obvious some aren't pulling their weight.

Criticism from Vrbata? Good grief. That just proves they're right!
- YeOldTimer

Spot on. We're a serious contender for a top 5 pick. Of course something's wrong. I don't understand how people can argue that we need veteran leadership as we transition to a younger team so that we avoid becoming like the Oilers, and then be put off when those same veterans actually exercise leadership.

For me I don't like calling the team out like Daniel did . Three games of no goals and they had one goal between them in 8 games. Timing is everything. They are the two highest paid guys and the ones that need to lead by example. During that stretch was the play where Daniel was on the two on one with Grenier in the clear and Daniel passed the puck back to his brother who was covered.

If I am a player in the room I would call them out about passing to someone else and not just the two of them, probably like Vrbata might have done last year.

Not everyone that walks into the room is going to love that style and may say something against it. I don't know what goes on in the room same as anyone else here but I cant see how a two man cycle game would please everyone.
- VANTEL

That wouldnt suprise me if that actually was the case, no coincidence that DSedins goals are way up and Vrbatas way down