For me I don't like calling the team out like Daniel did . Three games of no goals and they had one goal between them in 8 games. Timing is everything. They are the two highest paid guys and the ones that need to lead by example. During that stretch was the play where Daniel was on the two on one with Grenier in the clear and Daniel passed the puck back to his brother who was covered.

If I am a player in the room I would call them out about passing to someone else and not just the two of them, probably like Vrbata might have done last year.

Not everyone that walks into the room is going to love that style and may say something against it. I don't know what goes on in the room same as anyone else here but I cant see how a two man cycle game would please everyone.
- VANTEL

I don't see it that way. These guys don't stop being professionals when they step off the ice. It's also about the work they put into the video room, the weight room, at practice and the way they conduct themselves off the ice. That is what I interpreted Daniel as criticizing.

So you assumed

Thunda said WD lost the room Dec 1 . I said WD never owned the room at all . It always belonged to the players.
- VANTEL

I asked for clarification..... reading you say on one hand how you don't like that the sedins are calling out guys and then saying that they are getting the lion's share of minutes, I though maybe you were insinuating something....

Thanks for clearing it up, I know you only recently rejoined the Sedin bandwagon and would be sad to see you jump off again so soon

Spot on. We're a serious contender for a top 5 pick. Of course something's wrong. I don't understand how people can argue that we need veteran leadership as we transition to a younger team so that we avoid becoming like the Oilers, and then be put off when those same veterans actually exercise leadership.
- CubanBuffet

For me I don't like calling the team out like Daniel did . Three games of no goals and they had one goal between them in 8 games. Timing is everything. They are the two highest paid guys and the ones that need to lead by example. During that stretch was the play where Daniel was on the two on one with Grenier in the clear and Daniel passed the puck back to his brother who was covered.

If I am a player in the room I would call them out about passing to someone else and not just the two of them, probably like Vrbata might have done last year.

Not everyone that walks into the room is going to love that style and may say something against it. I don't know what goes on in the room same as anyone else here but I cant see how a two man cycle game would please everyone.
- VANTEL

Daniel is 1st in points and Henrik is 2nd? They are leading by example just fine. Every player (apart from Etem and Grenier) have elevated their numbers while playing with them. I don't think we have anything to question regarding the Sedins leadership.

And part 2. It is not up to other players to like or dislike the style in which the Sedins play, that is up to the coach, and I guess to some extent, the GM. How the Sedins drive possession is not going to be the same as lines 2+3+4 as they control the puck much differently than the other lines. I don't often feel the need to defend the Sedins (as they often don't really need it) but this whole conversation stems from Jake piping up after comments from Hank and Willy when he should have taken it as a learning experience and not brought it up with the Media. He should have bit his tongue, learned from it, and moved on.

Jake manned up to the late hit. Let's take that part off the table.

Henrik came out and said it was wrong it was a late hit. Captains don't usually do that if everything is kosher.

JV came out and called out his captain . Something a rookie player knows better not to do.

It doesn't sound like everything is fine in paradise
- VANTEL

Mountain out of a mole hill guys.
I know it's a slow news day and all but this is reaching.

And Daniel Sedin calling out the team needing to try harder, there must be something wrong.
- phyllee

Ya. There is something wrong.
The Canucks are 27th and missing the playoffs!!!

Spot on. We're a serious contender for a top 5 pick. Of course something's wrong. I don't understand how people can argue that we need veteran leadership as we transition to a younger team so that we avoid becoming like the Oilers, and then be put off when those same veterans actually exercise leadership.
- CubanBuffet

I never hear about issues like that with other teams with young players like the Flames Yotes AVs Blues .

We don't know what goes on behind closed doors. I do know Lefty posted an article about two weeks back about the Sedins not being happy with JM or JV.

Eyebrows did raise on here a week ago when Hank commented on the hit , and again today when JV responded.

Same as eyebrows raised last year with Vrbata. Again we don't know what goes on but we will speculate

For me I don't like calling the team out like Daniel did . Three games of no goals and they had one goal between them in 8 games. Timing is everything. They are the two highest paid guys and the ones that need to lead by example. During that stretch was the play where Daniel was on the two on one with Grenier in the clear and Daniel passed the puck back to his brother who was covered.

If I am a player in the room I would call them out about passing to someone else and not just the two of them, probably like Vrbata might have done last year.

Not everyone that walks into the room is going to love that style and may say something against it. I don't know what goes on in the room same as anyone else here but I cant see how a two man cycle game would please everyone.
- VANTEL

Don't disagree with you about keeping things quiet, but in this case it was probably the result of building frustration and likely called for. Too many guys were just going through the motions during that stretch and, when noone else on the team is an offensive threat, it's a lot easier to focus on the two guys who are and shut them down.

While Hansen was hurt they had a revolving door of ineffective wingers. When you're desperate to generate quality chances, you don't work your ass off to set up a Grenier or Emersen Etem. You play the odds until things start to turn around.

The Sedins are the undisputed team leaders, which you need so everyone can get behind them and be pulling in the same direction. Anybody wants to call them out for things, they better have a history of success to back them up. And the only guys in that room who even come close to that stature are Hamhuis and Miller. Everyone else better keep their mouth shut and stay in line or there's going to be counter-productive internal friction.

You guys already can't finish lower than Edmonton. Van still has a chance if they lose out
- WhiteLie

The way Edmonton plays can any team ever finish lower, the game the other night was shameful for the oilers.

Stripping the captaincy from henrik just like SJ did to big Joe. Maybe it is time for Daniel and Henrik to just get back to playing and not have to carry the burden of being a leader in the locker room.
- manvanfan

I asked for clarification..... reading you say on one hand how you don't like that the sedins are calling out guys and then saying that they are getting the lion's share of minutes, I though maybe you were insinuating something....

Thanks for clearing it up, I know you only recently rejoined the Sedin bandwagon and would be sad to see you jump off again so soon
- belcherbd

Not on a bandwagon at all just letting them play out their contract. But as usual you will assume and challenge

poop like that will also get your Mensa membership revoked. Or so I've heard.
- Canada Cup

To bad the leafs have no veterans to tell Kadri to stop being stupid.

So you assumed

Thunda said WD lost the room Dec 1 . I said WD never owned the room at all . It always belonged to the players.
- VANTEL

I think this may have some merit. With some of the Stale core carrying over here (Sedins Edler Hamhuis Burrows Higgins and even Hansen and Tanev to some extent)from last season it's highly doubtful WD had all the ears in the room. The youth may be in tune with what WD wants hence the good years by Hutton Horvat baertchi and even JV and JM to a point. But the old core guys? Not so much...

Totally agree. I was surprised when I heard Henrik's comment on the hit and was surprised it wasn't a bigger deal at the time.

JV's reaction (in public) confirms he didn't like it and doesn't care who knows it.

That doesn't happen in a harmonious room.
- whales

But so what?
The room should not be harmonious.
They should be pissed.
The season has been an embarrassment.

To bad the leafs have no veterans to tell Kadri to stop being stupid.
- A_SteamingLombardi

To bad the leafs have no veterans to tell Kadri to stop being stupid.
- A_SteamingLombardi

He is the veteran on that team

I agree. IMO it should stay in the room as much as possible. JV has been standing up for his teammates and himself on the ice, the hit was late but I think we all want to see players out there sending the message he is: back off, this isn't that team anymore, so don't take shots at our guys.

I hope it's not a big deal, but Vantel may be right that there is some friction.
- neem55

I'm willing to bet that if JV's late hit was on Hanzal Hank wouldn't have said a bloody thing.

The way Edmonton plays can any team ever finish lower, the game the other night was shameful for the oilers.
- Makita

Ending their season with 2 games against Van is quite the basement showdown. Lets see McJesus earn his star status

I'm willing to bet that if JV's late hit was on Hanzal Hank wouldn't have said a bloody thing.
- LordHumungous

after the game, takes the 1k cheque off the white board and hands it to JV....

I'm willing to bet that if JV's late hit was on Hanzal Hank wouldn't have said a bloody thing.
- LordHumungous

Or Burns for that matter.

I'm willing to bet that if JV's late hit was on Hanzal Hank wouldn't have said a bloody thing.
- LordHumungous

I'm willing to bet that had it been Gaunce or Etem making that hit and Hank called him out, no one would be saying that player was being unfairly treated.

after the game, takes the 1k cheque off the white board and hands it to JV....
- hillbillydeluxe

I don't see that happening anytime in the near future

I'm willing to bet that if JV's late hit was on Hanzal Hank wouldn't have said a bloody thing.
- LordHumungous

I'm willing to bet that had it been Gaunce or Etem making that hit and Hank called him out, no one would be saying that player was being unfairly treated.
- belcherbd

I don't remember Hank calling Prusts cup check on Marchand dirty or late

I don't see that happening anytime in the near future
- VANTEL

I don't see the Sedins putting a bounty on anyone's head. not their style. (my post had the )