You were criticized because you were making things up. He wasn't demoted! A conditioning stint coming off injury is a pretty common tool to get a young player some additional ice time. He was loaned to junior because the Canucks thought it would be good for his development. The way the vets supported him after returning indicates to me that they do like him. Again, you were speculating and passing off your opinion as fact like you are again
- CanuckDon

nooooo.....I clearly asked it like a question. And I stated that in the post, so Im not sure where you got that idea from. Your own interpretation clearly.

And clearly you arent getting that Im making no claim here today, so what FACT am I trying to claim? read better bro......

How do you know they haven't tried to keep it in house on other past issues and felt that the message didn't seem to be getting through? We don't know. And it's not like his comments were all that controversial either. As a point of controversy I agree with others here that it's been overblown.

As for Toews, I'm not convinced he's such a great leader. I think he's lucky he's skilled enough to live up to his arrogance. Also, the guys he's surrounded by make it easy for him to be a winner. Once that franchise starts slipping due to the age of their core, you're going to see some pretty interesting inner turmoil in that room.
- YeOldTimer

come on, man.

You were criticized because you were making things up. He wasn't demoted! A conditioning stint coming off injury is a pretty common tool to get a young player some additional ice time. He was loaned to junior because the Canucks thought it would be good for his development. The way the vets supported him after returning indicates to me that they do like him. Again, you were speculating and passing off your opinion as fact like you are again
- CanuckDon

He did suggest there maybe is a rift though, now is just saying "here's more reason to think maybe it is the case". We need to stop treating eachother like were all making absolute statements on here, were all fans and clearly we all care enough to read/watch a lot about hockey to share opinions. All opinions on here, no facts (unless it is stats and dates ect., which are pretty factual). I don't think there's a rift, myself. But maybe there is.

He did suggest there maybe is a rift though, now is just saying "here's more reason to think maybe it is the case". We need to stop treating eachother like were all making absolute statements on here, were all fans and clearly we all care enough to read/watch a lot about hockey to share opinions. All opinions on here, no facts (unless it is stats and dates ect., which are pretty factual)
- neem55

thank you.
wish people would stop with their own factless claims of what people said here. It was something I pondered and that was it. Now im shocked how much attention the same thing being wondered about is getting.

and Im with you in making this a better place to be

thank you.
wish people would stop with their own factless claims of what people said here. It was something I pondered and that was it. Now im shocked how much attention the same thing being wondered about is getting.

and Im with you in making this a better place to be
- SMBDragon

It's very easy to go back and see what people said here.

thank you.
wish people would stop with their own factless claims of what people said here. It was something I pondered and that was it. Now im shocked how much attention the same thing being wondered about is getting.

and Im with you in making this a better place to be
- SMBDragon

Ya, I (in general) just think people jump all over claims without much actual thought and consideration(I include myself in this) sometimes. It is just opinion, but we all watch a tonne and read about hockey obviously, so they're some well-informed opinions on here in many ways. Respect, people.

On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with challenging those opinions. I like a good debate (I'm sure you guys could never tell ), but the insults and jumping on peoples opinions is pretty sad sometimes IMO

come on, man.
- neem55

Others are entitled to their opinion, just as I'm entitled to mine.

Personally, I don't think being a great competitor automatically makes you a great leader.

thank you.
wish people would stop with their own factless claims of what people said here. It was something I pondered and that was it. Now im shocked how much attention the same thing being wondered about is getting.

and Im with you in making this a better place to be
- SMBDragon

You just said he was demoted to the minors...around 2 minutes ago. Not a big deal but you have made statements like this many times and occasionally I'll respond.

Others are entitled to their opinion, just as I'm entitled to mine.

Personally, I don't think being a great competitor automatically makes you a great leader.
- YeOldTimer

Yup --> Mark Messier comes to mind.

Others are entitled to their opinion, just as I'm entitled to mine.

Personally, I don't think being a great competitor automatically makes you a great leader.
- YeOldTimer

Others are entitled to their opinion, just as I'm entitled to mine.

Personally, I don't think being a great competitor automatically makes you a great leader.
- YeOldTimer

That's fair. You certainly are. I've heard a lot of stories of Toews in the locker room, and some pretty big compliments by veterans like Morrow, Hossa, Ladd and Iginla. That's enough for me.

Yup --> Mark Messier comes to mind.
- dbot

Do you not think Messier was great leader?

Do you not think Messier was great leader?
- neem55

I think he is a dirtbag and psycho. If that makes him a good leader ok

Ya, I (in general) just think people jump all over claims without much actual thought and consideration(I include myself in this) sometimes. It is just opinion, but we all watch a tonne and read about hockey obviously, so they're some well-informed opinions on here in many ways. Respect, people.

On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with challenging those opinions. I like a good debate (I'm sure you guys could never tell ), but the insults and jumping on peoples opinions is pretty sad sometimes IMO
- neem55

What's the difference?

Do you not think Messier was great leader?
- neem55

NO!!!

I have to disagree with your sentiment a little bit. Sure Toews is considered a really good leader and if Bo can emulate him, the Canucks would be good for it. I just dont see how Henrik, Bo or Toews has anything to do with leadership. Toews being on Chicago doesnt some Kane or Keith from being d-bags, nor did it stop from the wife-swap controversy from leaking out of the room. The Canucks kept Kassian's secret in the room and it did nothing to resolve the issue on or off the ice.

Naturally, you want to keep all problems internal, but Henrik's comments about the hit weren't malicious or earth-shattering and has been overblown by comments that (I hope) don't reflect a strife between Jake and the vets
- WhiteLie

I get what you are saying but I believe a captain has the respect that they don't have to call someone out publicly. I don't remember a single situation where the captains I mentioned ever called someone out publicly. It just feels a bit odd. Just my opinion. Off ice stuff wives, substance is not what I am talking about that is players character and the day and information age we live in, that's been happening for years. I really think the best captains and leaders don't use the media to send messages, their messages come through very clear.

I think he is a dirtbag and psycho. If that makes him a good leader ok
- VANTEL

well the guys on his team think he was a great leader, and those teams won (which suggests the same thing).

well the guys on his team think he was a great leader, and those teams won (which suggests the same thing).
- neem55

Ask Linden

What's the difference?
- Marwood

What's the difference?
- Marwood

The difference is insulting people, everyone chiming in not with opinions or thoughts but with insults and bullpoop. Kind of reminds me of high school sometimes on here: it's not just one goof, his little minions have got to chirp in their two-cents, that jumping on people's opinions. Arguing an opinion means your bringing up points and counter points, drawing on facts and citing professional knowledge to support your opinion or point of disagreement.

Ask Linden
- A_SteamingLombardi

I don't have his number.
But Gretzky, leetch, Coffey and a long list of others seem to think so. I hated him in Vancouver, should've never been a Canuck adn Keenan the same. That doesn't mean the guy wasn't a great leader who won multiple cups with multiple franchises as captain (something only he has done). If you look up greatest leader's in NHL history, he'll be there.

I don't have his number.
But Gretzky, leetch, Coffey and a long list of others seem to think so. I hated him in Vancouver, should've never been a Canuck adn Keenan the same. That doesn't mean the guy wasn't a great leader who won multiple cups with multiple franchises as captain (something only he has done). If you look up greatest leader's in NHL history, he'll be there.
- neem55

I don't care.

I don't care.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Then don't comment.

Then don't comment.
- neem55

Thanks for jumping all over my opinion.

well the guys on his team think he was a great leader, and those teams won (which suggests the same thing).
- neem55

Trevor Linden says other wise and I'm sure quite a few Canuck players from those years would agree.