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WhiteLie
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May 5 @ 12:59 PM ET
Care to elaborate or blowing wind on RHD?
FYI good RHD don't grow on trees.

If u ever played hockey try playing the offside on D.

- Nighthawk


I think his point is you cant obsess with getting a RHD when others are available. There are those that swear by it and others that think if a player is good enough, he should be able to play both sides. I played as a RHD but preferred the left side, so I realize it takes some getting used to but I wouldnt draft a B prospect over a B+ prospect based on the hand he shoots
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

May 5 @ 12:59 PM ET
I started out as a C & on the rush going down the left wing on my offside gave me great angles & options.

Once I was moved to D the right side was far superior to play than on my offside.
Night & day making defending easier but on the PP it all changes.

Most D struggle on their offside & its rare when they don't & the Canucks like most teams lack enough good RHD. Its an oddity in only hockey that lefties r so dominant & there r fewer stud Righties at most positions.
we_are_all_canucks
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Don't hate me because I'm really really ridiculously good looking.
Joined: 09.29.2007

May 5 @ 1:00 PM ET
That order also works. Brown is interesting, but like Vantel said there is a degree of risk there.
- VanHockeyGuy

Brown could just be the next Jim Sandlak.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

May 5 @ 1:00 PM ET
I think his point is you cant obsess with getting a RHD when others are available. There are those that swear by it and others that think if a player is good enough, he should be able to play both sides. I played as a RHD but preferred the left side, so I realize it takes some getting used to but I wouldnt draft a B prospect over a B+ prospect based on the hand he shoots
- WhiteLie


I totally agree to not obsess over RHD but if u find a gem u jump on it is all.
It takes a lot more to get used to than most will know & its rare too.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

May 5 @ 1:02 PM ET
Brown could just be the next Jim Sandlak.
- we_are_all_canucks


Thats the risk i agree & why i asked who stands out around 13th
fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 05.06.2010

May 5 @ 1:03 PM ET
I started out as a C & on the rush going down the left wing on my offside gave me great angles & options.

Once I was moved to D the right side was far superior to play than on my offside.
Night & day making defending easier but on the PP it all changes.

Most D struggle on their offside & its rare when they don't & the Canucks like most teams lack enough good RHD. Its an oddity in only hockey that lefties r so dominant & there r fewer stud Righties at most positions.

- Nighthawk



Tree is a lefty that plays the right side. Might not help much this year, but could help in a couple of years.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

May 5 @ 1:04 PM ET
Tree is a lefty that plays the right side. Might not help much this year, but could help in a couple of years.
- fiveandagame


For sure & thats not the norm though but we r fortunate in that.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

May 5 @ 1:07 PM ET
A baseball comparison is u never see a lefty play 2nd base.
I did have a lefty as a 2nd baseman when i was short & his transfer was amazing but throwing to his other side was very odd to get used to.
The guy was simply a star & did it all btw.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

May 5 @ 1:09 PM ET
Highest pick in 27 years, why not trade it away
- A_SteamingLombardi


27 years?

But yes no point in trading away the 5th.
WhiteLie
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May 5 @ 1:10 PM ET
I totally agree to not obsess over RHD but if u find a gem u jump on it is all.
It takes a lot more to get used to than most will know & its rare too.

- Nighthawk


You want to be aware of what hand and side your players play for sure, but outside of powerplay arrangements for one-time shots, I think its an overrated situation. Off the rush, defending and keeping a stick in the lane should be easy. Receiving and giving passes at the NHL level should be able to be tape to tape and done on forehand and backhand. Defending in either corner should be the same for gaining body position. Picking the puck off the wall should get more comfortable the more you see it. and defensive awareness should not be restricted to a side of the ice.

I find it funny how many teams roll out entire left-handed forward lines on a regular basis and no one cares, but defense is where they need to have a right
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

May 5 @ 1:10 PM ET
I dont think when it comes to good young talent the Canucks can afford to be picky. As with any draft, there are drop offs in talent as you get further into the draft. It isnt like the NFL where there are so many positions and a team that has a franchise QB can trade down to get one of the lineman and get a good return in the process.

As with any trades, those that get the best player usually win the deal, which many here have started to associate names with proposals saying things like "No I would trade Tkachuk/Dubois for Drouin" or "Tkachuk/Dubois for Jones and Stanley". I was disappointed they fell to 5, but moving this pick isnt going to speed up the rebuild by acquiring more lesser talent and wait for it all to develop. I hope that whoever gets picked at 5 gets 9 games this fall and starts the following season

- WhiteLie


Well said. I think it's key to get the best available player, as there is probably a fairly significant drop off after the first 5-6 picks. Like you said, you don't want to draft a lot of lesser talent who will not really make a difference in the long run. I think if you look at most of the successful teams, you will note that they pretty much all kept their top picks and drafted accordingly
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

May 5 @ 1:12 PM ET
You want to be aware of what hand and side your players play for sure, but outside of powerplay arrangements for one-time shots, I think its an overrated situation. Off the rush, defending and keeping a stick in the lane should be easy. Receiving and giving passes at the NHL level should be able to be tape to tape and done on forehand and backhand. Defending in either corner should be the same for gaining body position. Picking the puck off the wall should get more comfortable the more you see it. and defensive awareness should not be restricted to a side of the ice.

I find it funny how many teams roll out entire left-handed forward lines on a regular basis and no one cares, but defense is where they need to have a right

- WhiteLie

Is this that sword debate again?
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

May 5 @ 1:12 PM ET
You want to be aware of what hand and side your players play for sure, but outside of powerplay arrangements for one-time shots, I think its an overrated situation. Off the rush, defending and keeping a stick in the lane should be easy. Receiving and giving passes at the NHL level should be able to be tape to tape and done on forehand and backhand. Defending in either corner should be the same for gaining body position. Picking the puck off the wall should get more comfortable the more you see it. and defensive awareness should not be restricted to a side of the ice.

I find it funny how many teams roll out entire left-handed forward lines on a regular basis and no one cares, but defense is where they need to have a right

- WhiteLie


For forwards its not difficult & there r fewer righties than lefties in the NHL.
Ovi n Stamkos r righties but there r not many to go around. U get forced onto the backhand which severely reduces breakout passes.

For a LHD playing the right side passing from behind the net the options r reduced with the net hindering easy passing lanes. U truly have to try playing the offside D to see what i am getting at.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

May 5 @ 1:16 PM ET
Brown could just be the next Jim Sandlak.
- we_are_all_canucks

He could be but do you know how many people in the hockey world would be wrong about their scouting? ISS is one of the top scouting agencies , and like most scouts have agreed he has climbed all year. They rank him at 7
WhiteLie
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May 5 @ 1:16 PM ET
Is this that sword debate again?
- Marwood



Starting to sound like it, maybe I should get back to work
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

May 5 @ 1:17 PM ET
You want to be aware of what hand and side your players play for sure, but outside of powerplay arrangements for one-time shots, I think its an overrated situation. Off the rush, defending and keeping a stick in the lane should be easy. Receiving and giving passes at the NHL level should be able to be tape to tape and done on forehand and backhand. Defending in either corner should be the same for gaining body position. Picking the puck off the wall should get more comfortable the more you see it. and defensive awareness should not be restricted to a side of the ice.

I find it funny how many teams roll out entire left-handed forward lines on a regular basis and no one cares, but defense is where they need to have a right

- WhiteLie


The hardest part of playing your off side on d is handling the puck along the boards on your back hand. It is very difficult to control it and also to pull it back to your forehand to make a play.

We have also seen a huge decrease in PP performace since losing our RH shots in Salo and to a certain extent Bieksa.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

May 5 @ 1:18 PM ET
The hardest part of playing your off side on d is handling the puck along the boards on your back hand. It is very difficult to control it and also to pull it back to your forehand to make a play.

We have also seen a huge decrease in PP performace since losing our RH shots in Salo and to a certain extent Bieksa.

- belcherbd



Tyvm for adding to my description👍👍
Forcing any player onto his backhand is a ploy used often.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

May 5 @ 1:18 PM ET
He could be but do you know how many people in the hockey world would be wrong about their scouting? ISS is one of the top scouting agencies , and like most scouts have agreed he has climbed all year. They rank him at 7
- VANTEL


They also have Nylander at 4.....
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

May 5 @ 1:20 PM ET
Tyvm for adding to my description👍👍
Forcing any player onto his backhand is a ploy used often.

- Nighthawk


That said I don't think the team needs to force a RHD pick, BPA even at 33 as I think there might still be some very interesting forwards available.
WhiteLie
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May 5 @ 1:21 PM ET
For forwards its not difficult & there r fewer righties than lefties in the NHL.
Ovi n Stamkos r righties but there r not many to go around. U get forced onto the backhand which severely reduces breakout passes.

For a LHD playing the right side passing from behind the net the options r reduced with the net hindering easy passing lanes.

- Nighthawk


Yeah, Right handed players seem like a rare commodity in the NHL. For a while there was emphasis on RH C's, now its the D. I see them like baseball players, there are some advantages to certain throwing or batting hands but at the end of the day the player has to be of quality otherwise that advantage wont matter, even in a favourable matchup
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

May 5 @ 1:22 PM ET
That said I don't think the team needs to force a RHD pick, BPA even at 33 as I think there might still be some very interesting forwards available.
- belcherbd


Agree no need to force anything but its a sought after commodity if u get a good one.
No pro sport has as many lefties as hockey does. Its strange indeed.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

May 5 @ 1:24 PM ET
Yeah, Right handed players seem like a rare commodity in the NHL. For a while there was emphasis on RH C's, now its the D. I see them like baseball players, there are some advantages to certain throwing or batting hands but at the end of the day the player has to be of quality otherwise that advantage wont matter, even in a favourable matchup
- WhiteLie


For us having JV & Boesser as righties is a good thing.
WhiteLie
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May 5 @ 1:25 PM ET
The hardest part of playing your off side on d is handling the puck along the boards on your back hand. It is very difficult to control it and also to pull it back to your forehand to make a play.

We have also seen a huge decrease in PP performace since losing our RH shots in Salo and to a certain extent Bieksa.

- belcherbd


I dont disagree, I just think its more of an overrated situation to be in as you can compensate. You'll see guys trying to hold the line with their skates against the boards instead of stick to avoid the backhand. It's an adjustment, but some can do it and I just value those guys more

Powerplay, especially those run on the rightside, need the RH shot for sure. If they had a RH forward to run the halfwall on the otherside then it would negate it a little bit
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

May 5 @ 1:26 PM ET
We have other picks than #5. This RHD dream is a joke.
- A_SteamingLombardi


It's beyond idiotic. We currently have no first line forwards. I consider the Sedins second line players on a contending team. The only player we have that looks like a potential first line forward is Boeser. We need tcachuk or Dubois badly. These kids are high end prospects that project as top 6 but likely top 3 forwards. We will get a good D prospect at 33. You can find D later in the draft and it's much harder to try and find top 6 scoring talent with size
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

May 5 @ 1:27 PM ET
Agree no need to force anything but its a sought after commodity if u get a good one.
No pro sport has as many lefties as hockey does. Its strange indeed.

- Nighthawk


Many players I know are right handed but shoot left. I shoot left but golf right, not sure why it is so common.
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