That doesn't save CBJ any cap space at all. Wouldn't achieve their objective of being able to pay their #1D man what he'll be looking for on a long-term deal. Likely a $5MM bump from what he's getting now unless they do a bridge, which doesn't make a lot of sense in this situation when you're fully committed to the player. Might as well spend a bit more now to save on some of his UFA years.
- YeOldTimer

CBJ atm if cap goes to 74m have 19 signed & 6.7m room
After the trade then 21 signed & 4.45m left to sign Jones & deal Tyutin or Savard.
That is somewhat easier to handle if Jones gets a bridge deal & promise.

CBJ atm if cap goes to 74m have 19 signed & 6.7m room
After the trade then 21 signed & 4.45m left to sign Jones & deal Tyutin or Savard.
That is somewhat easier to handle if Jones gets a bridge deal & promise.
- Nighthawk

Teams are avoiding bridge deals now on star players because it gets too costly long term. If they lock them in now or 7-8 years its cost certainty, if they go bridge (like Subban), they may pay 3-4 million now and then be stuck with a 8+ million cap hit for the following 8 years

Columbus is fairly close to the cap for next year and still have to re-sign Seth Jones. So why don't we offer to help them out?

To Vancouver:
Scott Hartnell 34 LW $4.75MM
David Savard 25 RD $4.25MM
3OA for 2016


To Columbus:
Linden Vey 24 C $1.1MM (qualifying offer)
Andrey Pedan 22 LD $900K (qualifying offer)
5OA
Torts Compensation (2nd Rounder 16/17/18)

Columbus can justify this as only moving down 2 spots in the draft while picking up over $6MM in cap space, getting younger, gaining another really good offensive center, plus their 2nd pick back. (Softens the blow a bit if they end up firing Torts sooner rather than later).

Canucks move up two spots in the draft and get a RHD with some offensive upside. They also get a bigger body to add to their forwards who's first name isn't Milan and comes at least $1MM cheaper than the oft-mentioned neanderthal.
- YeOldTimer

Interesting old timer

3 yr term left on a 34yr who will be 35 is a big buyout.
Savard can be moved with his 4.25m/4yrs to a team in need still.
Their problem they took on Clarkson & still have Tyutin also.

Hansen & McCann & a salary dump & their 2nd back is pretty solid IMO but i do see your point also. I want our 5OA still.

Teams are avoiding bridge deals now on star players because it gets too costly long term. If they lock them in now or 7-8 years its cost certainty, if they go bridge (like Subban), they may pay 3-4 million now and then be stuck with a 8+ million cap hit for the following 8 years
- WhiteLie

The player also becomes unmovable at the higher salary if his performance slips or there's some other issue resulting in the need for a trade. On top of that the team will be exposed to the risk of an offer sheet prior to the bridge contract and losing their star as a UFA if they don't have him signed long term.

Teams are avoiding bridge deals now on star players because it gets too costly long term. If they lock them in now or 7-8 years its cost certainty, if they go bridge (like Subban), they may pay 3-4 million now and then be stuck with a 8+ million cap hit for the following 8 years
- WhiteLie

If they can sign Jones for 5-6 mil/8 yrs they are lucky.

As of right now Columbus has no room to even sign Jones to the money he will be asking for. They will definitely have to do something about it.

I'd be interested to hear an offer but very skeptical to take on the term some of those contracts carry. Tyutin and Hartnell would have to move for sure if their 3rd pick is involved imo.
- WhatTheNuck

Wow they are screwed for cap. Why not wait until July 1st, offer just above the cap they have in a OS for Jones(would likely only result in a 2nd going back) and screw them over? Give Jones a 1-2 year contract for like $3,652,659 which is the max you can offer and only give up a 2nd rounder.

Columbus is fairly close to the cap for next year and still have to re-sign Seth Jones. So why don't we offer to help them out?

To Vancouver:
Scott Hartnell 34 LW $4.75MM
David Savard 25 RD $4.25MM
3OA for 2016


To Columbus:
Linden Vey 24 C $1.1MM (qualifying offer)
Andrey Pedan 22 LD $900K (qualifying offer)
5OA
Torts Compensation (2nd Rounder 16/17/18)

Columbus can justify this as only moving down 2 spots in the draft while picking up over $6MM in cap space, getting younger, gaining another really good offensive center, plus their 2nd pick back. (Softens the blow a bit if they end up firing Torts sooner rather than later).

Canucks move up two spots in the draft and get a RHD with some offensive upside. They also get a bigger body to add to their forwards who's first name isn't Milan and comes at least $1MM cheaper than the oft-mentioned neanderthal.
- YeOldTimer

Holy S--- this is bad for columbus.

I am pretty confident he will. I am sure he only wants to spend one more year at UND. In the article, he said that he wanted to turn pro strictly so that his mom did not have to work two jobs (as his Dad is battling parkinsons and can't work), but said in the end, for him and his future, it was best to do one more year and help his Mom out financially after he turns pro.
- Codes1087

Boeser told Iain Macintyre that he has been pushing Caggiula to sign with the Canucks!

If they can sign Jones for 5-6 mil/8 yrs they are lucky.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Absolutely, I was just using numbers from Subban's contract dispute. Jones will likely be in the 7+ range on that term. Hamilton got 5.75m for 6, Reilly just got 5m for 6, and back a few years Josi got 4m for 7 instead of bridge deals. Long term, particularly Josi, those look like good deals. Jones for 7-7.5 might look really good in 3-4 years

IMO CBJ needs to make separate deal for a salary dump along with another deal moving out Hartnell. They can then do Jones @6.5m/8yrs.

Boeser told Iain Macintyre that he has been pushing Caggiula to sign with the Canucks!
- CanuckDon

Someone will be calling for a tampering charge.

Wow they are screwed for cap. Why not wait until July 1st, offer just above the cap they have in a OS for Jones(would likely only result in a 2nd going back) and screw them over? Give Jones a 1-2 year contract for like $3,652,659 which is the max you can offer and only give up a 2nd rounder.
- Retinalz

1st, I dont think Jones signs that deal, considering what Reilly just got from Toronto. Second, they have all summer to get cap compliant so if I were CBJ I match that and find a way to dump salary later on, and to make room for 3.6m from his nearly 1m cap hit shouldnt be too difficult.

A deal with both McCann & Hanson gets them a young 1st rd C to help offset trading RJ & a great Hansen contract.

IMO CBJ needs to make separate deal for a salary dump along with another deal moving out Hartnell. They can then do Jones @6.5m/8yrs.
- Nighthawk

Isn't it max 7 because they didn't draft him?

Absolutely, I was just using numbers from Subban's contract dispute. Jones will likely be in the 7+ range on that term. Hamilton got 5.75m for 6, Reilly just got 5m for 6, and back a few years Josi got 4m for 7 instead of bridge deals. Long term, particularly Josi, those look like good deals. Jones for 7-7.5 might look really good in 3-4 years
- WhiteLie

Don't encourage the troll.
Just flag & ignore.

Hansen is the kind of ass buster any team likes & is durable.

Absolutely, I was just using numbers from Subban's contract dispute. Jones will likely be in the 7+ range on that term. Hamilton got 5.75m for 6, Reilly just got 5m for 6, and back a few years Josi got 4m for 7 instead of bridge deals. Long term, particularly Josi, those look like good deals. Jones for 7-7.5 might look really good in 3-4 years
- WhiteLie

Yeah Jones at 7 now for 8 yrs, after 8 years he'll be 10-12+? and he'll still be only 29 (frank)ing years old.

Isn't it max 7 because they didn't draft him?
- VANTEL

Max 8 if u own his rights.

Don't encourage the troll.
Just flag & ignore.
- Marwood

I've had to double up the dosage today

Someone will be calling for a tampering charge.
- A_SteamingLombardi

It's ok as he hasn't signed yet!

Yeah Jones at 7 now for 8 yrs, after 8 years he'll be 10-12+? and he'll still be only 29 (frank)ing years old.
- A_SteamingLombardi

The kid is a stud bud. Do u agree?

Don't encourage the troll.
Just flag & ignore.
- Marwood

3 yr term left on a 34yr who will be 35 is a big buyout.
Savard can be moved with his 4.25m/4yrs to a team in need still.
Their problem they took on Clarkson & still have Tyutin also.

Hansen & McCann & a salary dump & their 2nd back is pretty solid IMO but i do see your point also. I want our 5OA still.
- Nighthawk

I don't see Columbus giving up their 3OA for cap space. Canucks are the only team who can offer a small difference in drafting selection (Jedi hand wave) and put together a comprehensive package like this.

My original thought was to take Clarkson off their hands in the same package deal but felt the proposal with Hartnell was fair. He could actually play a year for the Canucks and getting him and Puljujarvi/Laine probably means the Canucks don't need to sign Ericksson and Lucic/Brouwer. (That's a net benefit of one less old guy.)

Also, if CBJ picks someone other than the top three then that selection likely goes back to junior for next year and won't be adding to their cap problems (room for performance bonuses).

Someone will be calling for a tampering charge.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Boeser is not currently a member of the Canucks organization, nor would he be until after Caggiula is signed.