I don't see Columbus giving up their 3OA for cap space. Canucks are the only team who can offer a small difference in drafting selection (Jedi hand wave) and put together a comprehensive package like this.

My original thought was to take Clarkson off their hands in the same package deal but felt the proposal with Hartnell was fair. He could actually play a year for the Canucks and getting him and Puljujarvi/Laine probably means the Canucks don't need to sign Ericksson and Lucic/Brouwer. (That's a net benefit of one less old guy.)

Also, if CBJ picks someone other than the top three then that selection likely goes back to junior for next year and won't be adding to their cap problems (room for performance bonuses).
- YeOldTimer

Boeser is not currently a member of the Canucks organization, nor would he be until after Caggiula is signed.
- YeOldTimer

I know I forgot the winkie face

Isn't it max 7 because they didn't draft him?
- VANTEL

The team the player was last under contract with can sign him for that one extra year. Means trading for a player's rights is still worthwhile if you want to have a better bargaining position than the rest of the market.

I scheduled a session with a dominatrix for tomorrow. I want to know first hand what is more painful. Getting nut punched or reading these threads.

Trade spitballing once again...

Sbisa 3.6m/2yrs
Hansen 2.5m/2yrs
McCann 895k/2yrs cost control
2nd for Torts

for

3OA
Hartnell 4.75m/3yrs & 34yrs old now.


Cap projected @ 74m
Before trade 6.7m cap space with 19 contracts
After trade 4.45m cap room & 21 contracts.

Separate trade to free up cap room as in Tyutin or Savard.
Sbisa inserts into open D spot.
Sign Jones to 6.5-7m/8yrs
Leaves about 1-3m for the 23rd roster spot.

We resign Hamhuis @3.5m/3yrs NTC only in 1st year

I scheduled a session with a dominatrix for tomorrow. I want to know first hand what is more painful. Getting nut punched or reading these threads.
- VANTEL

Toss up broski 😂😂

1st, I dont think Jones signs that deal, considering what Reilly just got from Toronto. Second, they have all summer to get cap compliant so if I were CBJ I match that and find a way to dump salary later on, and to make room for 3.6m from his nearly 1m cap hit shouldnt be too difficult.
- WhiteLie

Jones wouldn't sign that deal, no.

For Vancouver the deal has to be done now because the swap of draft position is the key issue. Takes them out of the free agent market because the player they're picking likely makes their roster next year.

Columbus would benefit by picking someone who's still a good player but is likely going back to junior for one more year. They would avoid having to add significant bonuses that would be fairly standard in a first round pick's ELC to their cap structure. And they have time to get Jones signed to his deal before he's exposed to OS's.

Trade spitballing once again...

Sbisa 3.6m/2yrs
Hansen 2.5m/2yrs
McCann 895k/2yrs cost control
2nd for Torts

for

3OA
Hartnell 4.75m/3yrs & 34yrs old now.


Cap projected @ 74m
Before trade 6.7m cap space with 19 contracts
After trade 4.45m cap room & 21 contracts.

Separate trade to free up cap room as in Tyutin or Savard.
Sbisa inserts into open D spot.
Sign Jones to 6.5-7m/8yrs
Leaves about 1-3m for the 23rd rost r spot.

We resign Hamhuis @3.5m/3yrs NTC only in 1st year
- Nighthawk

Sorry man, I just dont see Puljujarvi, Hartnell and keeping Seth Jones (which will happen regardless of the trade) being worth the scraps Vancouver has to offer. No team wants to go from having a top 3 pick to no first rounder. It isnt like CBJ is a contender and wants depth, they need to replenish with stars almost as bad as Vancouver

Jones wouldn't sign that deal, no.

For Vancouver the deal has to be done now because the swap of draft position is the key issue. Takes them out of the free agent market because the player they're picking likely makes their roster next year.

Columbus would benefit by picking someone who's still a good player but is likely going back to junior for one more year. They would avoid having to add significant bonuses that would be fairly standard in a first round pick's ELC to their cap structure. And they have time to get Jones signed to his deal before he's exposed to OS's.
- YeOldTimer

In my scenario McCann stays or goes to the AHL.
Idk if my deal is any good without gettin any luv 😂😂
CBJ getting a C helps them out.

Jones wouldn't sign that deal, no.

For Vancouver the deal has to be done now because the swap of draft position is the key issue. Takes them out of the free agent market because the player they're picking likely makes their roster next year.

Columbus would benefit by picking someone who's still a good player but is likely going back to junior for one more year. They would avoid having to add significant bonuses that would be fairly standard in a first round pick's ELC to their cap structure. And they have time to get Jones signed to his deal before he's exposed to OS's.
- YeOldTimer

Totally agree. They aren't a playoff team and they still need high end prospects, I am sure they would rather endure cap struggles than give up Jones, #3, or their young guys without replacing them with near equivalents

Sorry man, I just dont see Puljujarvi, Hartnell and keeping Seth Jones (which will happen regardless of the trade) being worth the scraps Vancouver has to offer. No team wants to go from having a top 3 pick to no first rounder. It isnt like CBJ is a contender and wants depth, they need to replenish with stars almost as bad as Vancouver
- WhiteLie

Plus the chance of a Finnish GM trading the 3rd overall pick is slim to none.

If my dream trade happens...

Dank Hank Puuljujarvi
Dubois Sutter Rodin
Sven Bo JV
Gaunce Granlund/Vey Dorsett
Dorsett

Hutton Tanev
Edler Tryamkin
Hamhuis Larsen
Biega?

Plus the chance of a Finnish GM trading the 3rd overall pick is slim to none.
- classic321

Maybe or maybe not but dumping salary is the real problem

Trade spitballing once again...

Sbisa 3.6m/2yrs
Hansen 2.5m/2yrs
McCann 895k/2yrs cost control
2nd for Torts

for

3OA
Hartnell 4.75m/3yrs & 34yrs old now.


Cap projected @ 74m
Before trade 6.7m cap space with 19 contracts
After trade 4.45m cap room & 21 contracts.

Separate trade to free up cap room as in Tyutin or Savard.
Sbisa inserts into open D spot.
Sign Jones to 6.5-7m/8yrs
Leaves about 1-3m for the 23rd roster spot.

We resign Hamhuis @3.5m/3yrs NTC only in 1st year
- Nighthawk

Forget Sbisa and Hansen. Columbus doesn't need Hansen as they already have plenty of those types of player and wouldn't want Sbisa under any circumstances. They're practically a Sbisa factory over there.

Columbus also isn't going to just forego a first round pick after the year they've had. They need to sell hope too. A slight change of places would be manageable. If they're prepared to just give up the number 3 then there are 29 other teams they can talk to and potentially get a better deal.

Maybe or maybe not but dumping salary is the real problem
- Nighthawk

Hartnell's salary is NOT a problem for Columbus, it's an asset.

Trade spitballing once again...

Sbisa 3.6m/2yrs
Hansen 2.5m/2yrs
McCann 895k/2yrs cost control
2nd for Torts

for

3OA
Hartnell 4.75m/3yrs & 34yrs old now.


Cap projected @ 74m
Before trade 6.7m cap space with 19 contracts
After trade 4.45m cap room & 21 contracts.

Separate trade to free up cap room as in Tyutin or Savard.
Sbisa inserts into open D spot.
Sign Jones to 6.5-7m/8yrs
Leaves about 1-3m for the 23rd roster spot.

We resign Hamhuis @3.5m/3yrs NTC only in 1st year
- Nighthawk

Why would Columbus do this?

Forget Sbisa and Hansen. Columbus doesn't need Hansen as they already have plenty of those types of player and wouldn't want Sbisa under any circumstances. They're practically a Sbisa factory over there.

Columbus also isn't going to just forego a first round pick after the year they've had. They need to sell hope too. A slight change of places would be manageable. If they're prepared to just give up the number 3 then there are 29 other teams they can talk to and potentially get a better deal.
- YeOldTimer

Ok fair enough. Who can take a salary dump & what is a possible trade idea?
Not jerking your chain btw just curious is all.

Why would Columbus do this?
- A_SteamingLombardi

Idk change up my offer. I'm cool with that.
I put in my notes for most of it.

Forget Sbisa and Hansen. Columbus doesn't need Hansen as they already have plenty of those types of player and wouldn't want Sbisa under any circumstances. They're practically a Sbisa factory over there.

Columbus also isn't going to just forego a first round pick after the year they've had. They need to sell hope too. A slight change of places would be manageable. If they're prepared to just give up the number 3 then there are 29 other teams they can talk to and potentially get a better deal.
- YeOldTimer

Agreed on the second paragraph too. In order to justify moving down 2 spots, they need to be able to sell that they got a great deal. Former first rounder and 19yo NHLer McCann and the 5th pick is a pretty good starting point, then throw in some established NHLers and dump salary the other way, and the marketing team can have a field day. That being said I cant see them passing on a future star who can play along side Saad on the top line (who as it was just mentioned shares nationality with the GM), they just have too many holes in their lineup. Owners would really have to get involved and want to dump money for it to happen IMO

Ok fair enough. Who can take a salary dump & what is a possible trade idea?
Not jerking your chain btw just curious is all.
- Nighthawk

Today @ 5:15 PM ET
Columbus is fairly close to the cap for next year and still have to re-sign Seth Jones. So why don't we offer to help them out?

To Vancouver:
Scott Hartnell 34 LW $4.75MM
David Savard 25 RD $4.25MM
3OA for 2016


To Columbus:
Linden Vey 24 C $1.1MM (qualifying offer) (McCann)
Andrey Pedan 22 LD $900K (qualifying offer)
5OA
Torts Compensation (2nd Rounder 16/17/18)

Columbus can justify this as only moving down 2 spots in the draft while picking up over $6MM in cap space, getting younger, gaining another really good offensive center, plus their 2nd pick back. (Softens the blow a bit if they end up firing Torts sooner rather than later).

Canucks move up two spots in the draft and get a RHD with some offensive upside. They also get a bigger body to add to their forwards who's first name isn't Milan and comes at least $1MM cheaper than the oft-mentioned neanderthal.

Don't encourage the troll.
Just flag & ignore.
- Marwood

You know...in an indirect way you are encouraging the troll. How are you by the way? Is Vantel still ignoring your posts?

No 4pm game

Today @ 5:15 PM ET
Columbus is fairly close to the cap for next year and still have to re-sign Seth Jones. So why don't we offer to help them out?

To Vancouver:
Scott Hartnell 34 LW $4.75MM
David Savard 25 RD $4.25MM
3OA for 2016


To Columbus:
Linden Vey 24 C $1.1MM (qualifying offer) (McCann)
Andrey Pedan 22 LD $900K (qualifying offer)
5OA
Torts Compensation (2nd Rounder 16/17/18)

Columbus can justify this as only moving down 2 spots in the draft while picking up over $6MM in cap space, getting younger, gaining another really good offensive center, plus their 2nd pick back. (Softens the blow a bit if they end up firing Torts sooner rather than later).

Canucks move up two spots in the draft and get a RHD with some offensive upside. They also get a bigger body to add to their forwards who's first name isn't Milan and comes at least $1MM cheaper than the oft-mentioned neanderthal.
- A_SteamingLombardi

The major difference in our 2 proposals is i want to squeeze CBJ with room to maneuver. Ye Old wants us to take on salary dumps & term & make it easy on CBJ.
I'm looking for a sweet deal but IMO u give too much for eating 2 contracts that won't help us much down the road in 4-5yrs let alone get an aging Hartnell. Both Tyutin & Clarkson r their own self made problems. I leave room to resign Hamhuis at a home town discount/term & conditions.

Sbisa is the moving part to be changed as in our 33rd maybe

Today @ 5:15 PM ET
Columbus is fairly close to the cap for next year and still have to re-sign Seth Jones. So why don't we offer to help them out?

To Vancouver:
Scott Hartnell 34 LW $4.75MM
David Savard 25 RD $4.25MM
3OA for 2016


To Columbus:
Linden Vey 24 C $1.1MM (qualifying offer) (McCann)
Andrey Pedan 22 LD $900K (qualifying offer)
5OA
Torts Compensation (2nd Rounder 16/17/18)

Columbus can justify this as only moving down 2 spots in the draft while picking up over $6MM in cap space, getting younger, gaining another really good offensive center, plus their 2nd pick back. (Softens the blow a bit if they end up firing Torts sooner rather than later).

Canucks move up two spots in the draft and get a RHD with some offensive upside. They also get a bigger body to add to their forwards who's first name isn't Milan and comes at least $1MM cheaper than the oft-mentioned neanderthal.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Am I free to criticize this trade proposal now that you're the one who's reposted it?

(I'm just not clear on procedure.)

The major difference in our 2 proposals is i want to squeeze CBJ with room to maneuver. You want us to take on salary dumps & term & make it easy on CBJ.
I'm looking for a sweet deal but IMO u give too much for eating 2 contracts that won't help us much down the road in 4-5yrs let alone get an aging Hartnell. Both Tyutin & Clarkson r their own self made problems. I leave room to resign Hamhuis at a home town discount/term & conditions.

Sbisa is the moving part ti be changed.
- Nighthawk

Savard isnt necessarily eating a contract, hes 25 years old. And Hartnell's is the shortest of their bad contracts at a reasonable price (for a bad contract). I would rather take him on than Dubinsky, Clarkson or Foligno until 2021

I agree with the other guys, they arent going to involve the 3rd pick without clearing major cap space. Thats the trade off, you cant entice them to take 4-5 guy in Sbisa with a 3.6M salary, Hansen's 2.5M and expect a top draft pick back. CBJ would rather buyout salaries or move valuable guys like Atkinson or Calvert for 3rd-4th rounders and clear $5m in salary than give up top 3.