He didn't become a blue chip prospect after playing with Marner. He has been one for a long time. He is an excellent prospect. Marner benefis from playing with Tkachuk just as much as Tkachuk benefits from Marner
- CanuckDon

You are absolutely right. My argument is that people can look for the "downside" in every prospect, whether it is inflated stats due to line mates, playing in the Q, health concerns, etc. I like Tkachuk a bit more than I like Dubois simply because he seems like a safer pick and fits the personality of what Benning likes, but Dubois makes things interested because once Hank leaves, we are soooo screwed for a 1C.. Time will tell I guess.

Tkachucks majority of his point totals came from secondary assists this year. Are you more worried about Dubois being able to translate his game to the NHL from the Q, or Tkachuk's inflated stats playing on a powerhouse line on the knights?
- Codes1087

Just for some perspective!

"If you took away 50% of this kid's points (Tkachuk) to account for primary points, you would still have a guy who produced more primary points than Gabriel Landeskog in his draft year. Same size player."

You are absolutely right. My argument is that people can look for the "downside" in every prospect, whether it is inflated stats due to line mates, playing in the Q, health concerns, etc. I like Tkachuk a bit more than I like Dubois simply because he seems like a safer pick and fits the personality of what Benning likes, but Dubois makes things interested because once Hank leaves, we are soooo screwed for a 1C.. Time will tell I guess.
- Codes1087

Tkachuk, McCann and Virtanen for a little skilled sandpaper up front

Just for some perspective!

"If you took away 50% of this kid's points (Tkachuk) to account for primary points, you would still have a guy who produced more primary points than Gabriel Landeskog in his draft year. Same size player."
- LeftCoaster

Lefty you are one brilliant man. I am glad you are my neighbor

You are absolutely right. My argument is that people can look for the "downside" in every prospect, whether it is inflated stats due to line mates, playing in the Q, health concerns, etc. I like Tkachuk a bit more than I like Dubois simply because he seems like a safer pick and fits the personality of what Benning likes, but Dubois makes things interested because once Hank leaves, we are soooo screwed for a 1C.. Time will tell I guess.
- Codes1087

I know I'm in the minority but I'd take Tkachuk over Dubois for sure...we don't have enough depth to make positional picks

Tkachuk, McCann and Virtanen for a little skilled sandpaper up front
- WhiteLie

We have to all remember, who we want and who we think Benning wants may be two different things. Benning likes the big and strong and fast players, despite the surge of small playmaking forwards and D-men entering the league. Dubois fits the mold. Tkachuk I think gives us something we so desperately need in scoring and playmaking, so I see that too.

He didn't become a blue chip prospect after playing with Marner. He has been one for a long time. He is an excellent prospect. Marner benefis from playing with Tkachuk just as much as Tkachuk benefits from Marner
- CanuckDon

I agree with the first part of your post but I think the second statement is a bit of a stretch.

While I think there is a mutual benefit I would say that Tkachuk benefits more as evident by the # of primary points Marner has vs. Tkachuk. I don't know the exact numbers but I'm pretty sure Marner is the one who drives the play more often in that sense.

Also, while Tkachuk has been a blue chipper for a long time it's important to remember that before he played with Marner he actually played with Matthews, so it's no surprise he has been on the radar for a while.

I know I'm in the minority but I'd take Tkachuk over Dubois for sure...we don't have enough depth to make positional picks
- CanuckDon

If our prospect cupboard was filled, I would take Dubois simply because we could afford to take that risk. Since we are lacking, I think Tkachuk is a great pick and will be a great player.

If our prospect cupboard was filled, I would take Dubois simply because we could afford to take that risk. Since we are lacking, I think Tkachuk is a great pick and will be a great player.
- Codes1087

We have to all remember, who we want and who we think Benning wants may be two different things. Benning likes the big and strong and fast players, despite the surge of small playmaking forwards and D-men entering the league. Dubois fits the mold. Tkachuk I think gives us something we so desperately need in scoring and playmaking, so I see that too.
- Codes1087

I dont know much about Dubois' temperament, but in the past JB has found a way to comment on how nasty a player can be and how they dont shy away from being physical. I think that was the thinking behind Virtanen, and McCann. From what I read and the comparisons to his dad, Tkachuk fits that description as well. Decent size but likes playing physical and getting in people's faces

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NEWS 1130 Sports @NEWS1130Sports Tkachuk on what type of player he is : "I'm a power forward who likes to go to the gritty areas to score." #Canucks

I agree with the first part of your post but I think the second statement is a bit of a stretch.

While I think there is a mutual benefit I would say that Tkachuk benefits more as evident by the # of primary points Marner has vs. Tkachuk. I don't know the exact numbers but I'm pretty sure Marner is the one who drives the play more often in that sense.

Also, while Tkachuk has been a blue chipper for a long time it's important to remember that before he played with Marner he actually played with Matthews, so it's no surprise he has been on the radar for a while.
- RonPielep

Is it really? Marner had the privilege of playing with Domi and now Tkachuk...I think his numbers are being inflated. Marner isn't the one retrieving the puck off the boards. Let's not forget Tkachuk out scored all of them at the WJC as well. Even the great Matthews

Lefty you are one brilliant man. I am glad you are my neighbor
- Codes1087

Matthew Tkachuk had 66 primary points, 41 secondary assists, 37 even strength primary points (20 goals/17 primary assists).

FYI...

I dont know much about Dubois' temperament, but in the past JB has found a way to comment on how nasty a player can be and how they dont shy away from being physical. I think that was the thinking behind Virtanen, and McCann. From what I read and the comparisons to his dad, Tkachuk fits that description as well. Decent size but likes playing physical and getting in people's faces
- WhiteLie

Matthew Tkachuk had 66 primary points, 41 secondary assists, 37 even strength points (20 goals/17 assists).

FYI...
- LeftCoaster

I have zero hesitations about Tkachuk. I cannot say that I have followed all his games this year but I think he is a super safe pick and would be super happy to grab him with the 5OA. I would be very happy if Dubois were available and we grabbed him as well. I think we are going to get a very good player in this draft regardless.

What happened to Tkachuk - Dubois - Boeser?
- Codes1087

Nothing. i'm talking about next season when none of them would be on the roster. they'll show up in 2 seasons time...

I have zero hesitations about Tkachuk. I cannot say that I have followed all his games this year but I think he is a super safe pick and would be super happy to grab him with the 5OA. I would be very happy if Dubois were available and we grabbed him as well. I think we are going to get a very good player in this draft regardless.
- Codes1087

Yup

Nothing. i'm talking about next season when none of them would be on the roster. they'll show up in 2 seasons time...
- kaptaan

you never did answer my question.

What was your thought process behind being able to grab either the 4th overall or the 6th overall in order to take both Dubois AND Tkachuk?

I had seen a post saying that you were hoping that Team Canada would ramp up Tanev's value and maybe the oilers would trade the 4OA for him? I am not sure that EVER happens lol

You are absolutely right. My argument is that people can look for the "downside" in every prospect, whether it is inflated stats due to line mates, playing in the Q, health concerns, etc. I like Tkachuk a bit more than I like Dubois simply because he seems like a safer pick and fits the personality of what Benning likes, but Dubois makes things interested because once Hank leaves, we are soooo screwed for a 1C.. Time will tell I guess.
- Codes1087

We have no heir apparent for 1C. obviously.
But lots can change between now and when Hank leaves.
I'm still holding out hope for the twins accepting a trade in 1.5 seasons.

We have no heir apparent for 1C. obviously.
But lots can change between now and when Hank leaves.
I'm still holding out hope for the twins accepting a trade in 1.5 seasons.
- dbot

I am sure they would welcome it TBH. Finish out their careers with a stanley cup (potentially). I would LOVE to see them hoist the cup in their final years, even if it isn't on the Canucks. Those guys are pure class

Is it really? Marner had the privilege of playing with Domi and now Tkachuk...I think his numbers are being inflated. Marner isn't the one retrieving the puck off the boards. Let's not forget Tkachuk out scored all of them at the WJC as well. Even the great Matthews
- CanuckDon

Yeah I guess you could make the case about inflation either way, but again I think the primary points say more than anything else.

Sure Tkachuk gets the puck off the boards, but Marner's creativity/puck-handling/play-making creates the offensive chances. If you ever watch a Knight's power-play it almost seems like their main focus is getting the puck to Marner and letting him do the rest. And in that sense, I think Tkachuk is the more complementary player.

We have no heir apparent for 1C. obviously.
But lots can change between now and when Hank leaves.
I'm still holding out hope for the twins accepting a trade in 1.5 seasons.
- dbot

I can't imagine any team wants to shell out $14 million for a pair of 40 point players. Extremely far fetched although it would be awesome

We have no heir apparent for 1C. obviously.
But lots can change between now and when Hank leaves.
I'm still holding out hope for the twins accepting a trade in 1.5 seasons.
- dbot

I think there is a strong case to be made that Clayton Keller is the second best C in the draft. Size might be an issue tho.

Yeah I guess you could make the case about inflation either way, but again I think the primary points say more than anything else.

Sure Tkachuk gets the puck off the boards, but Marner's creativity/puck-handling/play-making creates the offensive chances. If you ever watch a Knight's power-play it almost seems like their main focus is getting the puck to Marner and letting him do the rest. And in that sense, I think Tkachuk is the more complementary player.
- RonPielep

Valid points. Marner is also in his D+1 season. Tkachuk will likely be the trigger man next year for the Knights

I can't imagine any team wants to shell out $14 million for a pair of 40 point players. Extremely far fetched although it would be awesome
- CanuckDon

Well, they'd be dealt at the TDL, so, you can cut that salary by half at least.
Plus, we could retain salary if that makes it more palatable.