you never did answer my question.

What was your thought process behind being able to grab either the 4th overall or the 6th overall in order to take both Dubois AND Tkachuk?

I had seen a post saying that you were hoping that Team Canada would ramp up Tanev's value and maybe the oilers would trade the 4OA for him? I am not sure that EVER happens lol
- Codes1087

A. Canucks trade Tanev, plus 2nd rounder for the 4th overall. If they need to, they can toss in a prospect or other pick. Key is to get rid of Tanev for the 4th overall.

Valid points. Marner is also in his D+1 season. Tkachuk will likely be the trigger man next year for the Knights
- CanuckDon

Honestly I'm surprised Tkachuk went to the OHL instead of going to the NCAA. Maybe he was expecting to make the NHL as a rookie, because otherwise I don't see the why you would want to be stuck playing in a league you've already dominated for another 2 years.

Well, they'd be dealt at the TDL, so, you can cut that salary by half at least.
Plus, we could retain salary if that makes it more palatable.
- dbot

If we are horrible in 2 years perhaps...I hope we aren't ! Also, they haven't done jack in the playoffs in awhile

A. Canucks trade Tanev, plus 2nd rounder for the 4th overall. If they need to, they can toss in a prospect or other pick. Key is to get rid of Tanev for the 4th overall.
- kaptaan

I don't know how good Tanev is or if he can fit the need as a good quality top 4 RD (i.e., similar to Hamonic) but I think these are the types of moves the Oilers should be looking at.

Honestly I'm surprised Tkachuk went to the OHL instead of going to the NCAA. Maybe he was expecting to make the NHL as a rookie, because otherwise I don't see the why you would want to be stuck playing in a league you've already dominated for another 2 years.
- RonPielep

Well 2 reasons...1) Knights 2) he felt more games would better prepare him for the grind of the NHL. I'm sure it was a tough choice

If we are horrible in 2 years perhaps...I hope we aren't ! Also, they haven't done jack in the playoffs in awhile
- CanuckDon

I hope we're not horrible as well, but even if we don't suck, i can't imagine we'll have the depth/talent to hang with the teams that are still playing right now.

I can imagine a scenario where we've improved, some young guns are playing well, the Sedin's have done their duty and mentored the new core (Bo, JV, McCann, Sven, Boesser, Tkatchuk, etc) and they want a shot at truly competing for the cup and they approve/ask for a trade.

Well 2 reasons...1) Knights 2) he felt more games would better prepare him for the grind of the NHL. I'm sure it was a tough choice
- CanuckDon

Yeah I suppose, that transfer clause is a hell of a doozy tho. Too bad he didn't go play with Matthews in Europe..

A. Canucks trade Tanev, plus 2nd rounder for the 4th overall. If they need to, they can toss in a prospect or other pick. Key is to get rid of Tanev for the 4th overall.
- kaptaan

I was saying in the last thread that IF Benning could manage to get a 1st round pick for either Tanev or Edler, then he SHOULD entertain those ideas. EDM clearly needs help on D, and if that pick is in play, I would assume that they would be looking for a puck possession monster D-man with a little higher profile than Tanev. I am not trying to take anything away from Tanev here, but I am not sure he comes close to 4OA in value... Assuming you add in that second round pick and prospect, Tanev would still be the primary piece of that and I don't think any GM would value him this high.

Well 2 reasons...1) Knights 2) he felt more games would better prepare him for the grind of the NHL. I'm sure it was a tough choice
- CanuckDon

I think if you can land with the Knights, who are known as a great development CHL team, you take it and run with it. That hockey club has produced soooo many quality NHL players.

Crosby, Mackinnon, Drouin, Marchand and Bergeron might have something to say about this
- Codes1087

Mario Lemeiux, Lecavalier, Simon Gagne, Claude Giroux, Brad Richards, Daniel Briere, Couturier, Pominville and Hemsky say hi too.

Matthew Tkachuk had 66 primary points, 41 secondary assists, 37 even strength primary points (20 goals/17 primary assists).

FYI...
- LeftCoaster

Their skill sets are so different so I think it comes down to what type of player the team prefers or needs.

Tkachuk is an incredible passer and very good in front of the net with deflections and using his body to fight for loose pucks. He excels on the man advantage in a variety of roles and is an agitator.

Dubois is a fantastic skater who can beat guys off the rush, pick off passes and destroy guys with hits although needs to clean up some of them. He can dangle and shoot but isn't as much of a play maker.

I personally think this team needs more players who can make plays off the rush than guys who excel once they gain the zone and on the PP, I also prefer intimidating hitters to agitators as far as physicality goes.

At the end of the day both guys would be great additions regardless of whether they both end up as wingers or if Dubois ends up being a C.

I think if you can land with the Knights, who are known as a great development CHL team, you take it and run with it. That hockey club has produced soooo many quality NHL players.
- Codes1087

Fair.

We have no heir apparent for 1C. obviously.
But lots can change between now and when Hank leaves.
I'm still holding out hope for the twins accepting a trade in 1.5 seasons.
- dbot

Huge problem for the team. Hank is beat up and starting to show his age, this will fall upon them quicker than they realize.

I was saying in the last thread that IF Benning could manage to get a 1st round pick for either Tanev or Edler, then he SHOULD entertain those ideas. EDM clearly needs help on D, and if that pick is in play, I would assume that they would be looking for a puck possession monster D-man with a little higher profile than Tanev. I am not trying to take anything away from Tanev here, but I am not sure he comes close to 4OA in value... Assuming you add in that second round pick and prospect, Tanev would still be the primary piece of that and I don't think any GM would value him this high.
- Codes1087

That's why i was saying I hope Tanev has a good showing at the WC and boosts his profile and value...

Huge problem for the team. Hank is beat up and starting to show his age, this will fall upon them quicker than they realize.
- VanHockeyGuy

People have said this every year for the past 5, I'll believe it when I see it.

I was saying in the last thread that IF Benning could manage to get a 1st round pick for either Tanev or Edler, then he SHOULD entertain those ideas. EDM clearly needs help on D, and if that pick is in play, I would assume that they would be looking for a puck possession monster D-man with a little higher profile than Tanev. I am not trying to take anything away from Tanev here, but I am not sure he comes close to 4OA in value... Assuming you add in that second round pick and prospect, Tanev would still be the primary piece of that and I don't think any GM would value him this high.
- Codes1087

We have seen how hard it is to find top 4 D let alone top 2 so I don't understand why you would ever move the only top 4 guys you have when they don't have great market value, are signed to good contracts and want to play here.

Obviously if someone overpays, you look at it but otherwise I think it is a pointless exercise. If in a few years you have some prospects who look like they can play in the top 4, I could see them being moved.

“We’ll look at every possibility,” Linden said. “There’s more action at the draft than any other time. I think it’s taken over from the trade deadline. We’ll have lots of options.”

If EDM trades #4 at the last minute, it will be interesting to see how JB's reacts.

Their skill sets are so different so I think it comes down to what type of player the team prefers or needs.

Tkachuk is an incredible passer and very good in front of the net with deflections and using his body to fight for loose pucks. He excels on the man advantage in a variety of roles and is an agitator.

Dubois is a fantastic skater who can beat guys off the rush, pick off passes and destroy guys with hits although needs to clean up some of them. He can dangle and shoot but isn't as much of a play maker.

I personally think this team needs more players who can make plays off the rush than guys who excel once they gain the zone and on the PP, I also prefer intimidating hitters to agitators as far as physicality goes.

At the end of the day both guys would be great additions regardless of whether they both end up as wingers or if Dubois ends up being a C.
- belcherbd

Go to the net. I have heard of that . Is this a new thing ? Not sure I have ever seen that as a Canuck strategy.

We could also look at a lower pick to go for.

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Baerschi-Horvat-Virtanen

“We’ll look at every possibility,” Linden said. “There’s more action at the draft than any other time. I think it’s taken over from the trade deadline. We’ll have lots of options.”

If EDM trades #4 at the last minute, it will be interesting to see how JB's reacts.
- VanHockeyGuy

I'm sure that Benning & Co will have done their due diligence and addressed any sort of contingencies, including a scenario where Edmonton trades their number 4 pick.

Their skill sets are so different so I think it comes down to what type of player the team prefers or needs.

Tkachuk is an incredible passer and very good in front of the net with deflections and using his body to fight for loose pucks. He excels on the man advantage in a variety of roles and is an agitator.

Dubois is a fantastic skater who can beat guys off the rush, pick off passes and destroy guys with hits although needs to clean up some of them. He can dangle and shoot but isn't as much of a play maker.

I personally think this team needs more players who can make plays off the rush than guys who excel once they gain the zone and on the PP, I also prefer intimidating hitters to agitators as far as physicality goes.

At the end of the day both guys would be great additions regardless of whether they both end up as wingers or if Dubois ends up being a C.
- belcherbd

I think if both are available and they select Dubois and mention his positional versatility as a reason, I will be slightly disappointed. I want them to select either one for a single position and that be the direction of the team. There is a lot of murky intentions with this franchise (tank/retooling) and adding more debates and complexity to a player's position is unnecessary.

That's why i was saying I hope Tanev has a good showing at the WC and boosts his profile and value...
- kaptaan

If we trade Tanev for a pick we will have gone full Oiler. All forwards , no D. Who would you have penciled in for the top 4 next year?

I think if both are available and they select Dubois and mention his positional versatility as a reason, I will be slightly disappointed. I want them to select either one for a single position and that be the direction of the team. There is a lot of murky intentions with this franchise (tank/retooling) and adding more debates and complexity to a player's position is unnecessary.
- WhiteLie

I don't think it should be the deciding factor as it wasn't one of the points I mentioned above but that said having forwards who can play both C and W is a good thing.

Many centers out of Junior end up being wingers in the NHL but almost no wingers convert to centers.

I'm sure that Benning & Co will have done their due diligence and addressed any sort of contingencies, including a scenario where Edmonton trades their number 4 pick.
- Zogg

Exactly. They can narrow it down to 2 guys for the 1st pick. If one is gone pick the other.

If we trade Tanev for a pick we will have gone full Oiler. All forwards , no D. Who would you have penciled in for the top 4 next year?
- fiveandagame

It would be better to trade Hutton. Our right side is not strong.