Injury prone ... No concussions this season
Inconsistent... Not the last 2 seasons
Yes he s 31
Expensive? ... He's the 18th highest paid goaltender in the league

I would not give up the 6 for him ... But maybe a second and prospects
- Brianandr1

Wasn't it a concussion that kept him from starting the playoffs?

I'd rather say
1.Price
2.Lundqvist
3.Holtby
4.schnider
5. quick, bishop, maf or rask.

PS Quick is highly overated especially considering the team infront of him that is really really good defensivly. Also it seems "the king" is starting to decline a little.
- martox

Yeah that's reasonable. In the category of 5th-8th or even 5th-10th depending on the season because goalies and teams can have big variances year-to-year.

Basically all those guys are good enough to win a cup with if you have a good team. Even guys like Crawford are good enough to win with.

Wasn't it a concussion that kept him from starting the playoffs?
- TandA4Flames

think he miss typed that. no concussion before but had 2! this year and pretty close to eachother too

That is a fair expectation. I think you (someone did) suggested that on Ek's thread. One of the only fair valuations of an expected return.
- TandA4Flames

dont get me wrong, i think fleury is a stud and can get you guys right back into the playoffs.

but goalies in general dont bring in huge returns. schneider may have been a little less proven, but he was also significantly younger and cheaper. and he brought in a mid first.

a goalie isn't going to bring in the standard package of a first, roster player, and top prospect that a skater does. just isn't.

i'm still not of the mind that he needs to be forcefully shown the door. but a lot of that depends on the expansion draft. they can't pull a vancouver and get left holding the bag with nothing. could potentially be tricky and rob them of nearly all of their trading leverage depending on the parameters.

still though, he does have value. hes not dust yet. he will be good through the rest of his contract, and you arent on the hook for any 35, 36 year seasons or anything like that. and while he's not exactly ELC cheap, its not as if he is even one of the highest paid goalies

Wasn't it a concussion that kept him from starting the playoffs?
- TandA4Flames

He's had no major injuries in his career till 2 months ago ... How does that constitute "injury prone"?

He s not playing because the pens think Murray could be the next Carey price... he s the biggest reason the pens are beating the best team in th league this season and the third best team in the east in round one... Again ... Do you watch hockey?
Murray and fleury are both high end goaliesdd
The only click... Dial tone was gmjr on the flames trying to trade Bennett for Murray at the deadline
- Brianandr1

For (frank) sake, this again?! Someone needs to show me proof that this ever happened. I strongly doubt BT offered Bennett for an AHL goalie, albeit a very good one, when we have our own version of Murray in the pipeline in Gillies. And if the Pens declined that, they are dumb.

He s not playing because the pens think Murray could be the next Carey price... he s the biggest reason the pens are beating the best team in th league this season and the third best team in the east in round one... Again ... Do you watch hockey?
Murray and fleury are both high end goalies
The only click... Dial tone was gmjr on the flames trying to trade Bennett for Murray at the deadline
- Brianandr1

Where did I say Murray isn't the real deal. Kid is going to be a stud goalie for you guys. I would give the #6 for him. Not fcking Fleury. Bennett is staying put, don't you watch hockey? Schneider went for a 9th overall pick & he was way more established than Murray. You need to put things in perspective. Murray is worth the 6th because of the cost control versus Schneider situation. But Schneider is a stud. So MAF is the Pens MVP, keep him & take the 6th over all for Murray. It would be like found money.

For (frank) sake, this again?! Someone needs to show me proof that this ever happened. I strongly doubt BT offered Bennett for an AHL goalie, albeit a very good one, when we have our own version of Murray in the pipeline in Gillies. And if the Pens declined that, they are dumb.
- TandA4Flames

at that time, i cant believe calgary would have offered it. this is easier to look at now given hindsight for both sides.

that said, i wouldnt take bennett for murray right now

Where did I say Murray isn't the real deal. Kid is going to be a stud goalie for you guys. I would give the #6 for him. Not fcking Fleury. Bennett is staying put, don't you watch hockey? Schneider went for a 9th overall pick & he was way more established than Murray. You need to put things in perspective. Murray is worth the 6th because of the cost control versus Schneider situation. But Schneider is a stud. So MAF is the Pens MVP, keep him & take the 6th over all for Murray. It would be like found money.
- Kevin R

I said very clearly earlier that if I was Calgary I would not trade the 6 for fleury .... Murray woukd take the 6 and Bennett at this point ( not happening)

Most Pens fan are willing to take a low 1st or maybe 2 late seconds ... Fluery is really a great goalie and would keep him and trust that he would lead a team to the SCF... But we lucked out and have a significant cheaper and uber talented kid that is ready... If I was Calgary, I'd make the move for him. He would get you into the playoffs for sure...

Murray looks like he will take over the #1 job, but it wouldn't be bad to keep both for next season. BUT whenever expansion draft comes around you can only protect 1 goalie and that will be Murray. And this is the reason Fleury will go for less than his real value on the trade market.
- Njuice

You're wrong. Fleury has a NMC/NTC. Those players have to be protected. So if both players are on the roster at the time of the expansion draft, Fleury has to be protected, not Murray

Most Pens fan are willing to take a low 1st or maybe 2 late seconds ... Fluery is really a great goalie and would keep him and trust that he would lead a team to the SCF... But we lucked out and have a significant cheaper and uber talented kid that is ready... If I was Calgary, I'd make the move for him. He would get you into the playoffs for sure...
- hipcheck_goalie

Didn't Talbot fetch a 2nd and Lehner (granted with Legwand) a late 1st? I think Pens would be happy with 2 second rounders

I'm sure Fleury will really like being the backup next year. He'll likely demand a trade. If the pens were smart they'd trade him now while his value is high instead of next year for a 2ND because he demanded a trade.

But no rebuilding team will let go of their 1St round pick for Fleury. Especially the #6 pick. He's a good Goalie, but take your head out of your ass. Everyone knows they'd be doing Pitts a huge favour by taking Fleury off their hands before another Luongo/Schneider situation develops.

Keep both goalies next year and watch the drama unfold.

I said very clearly earlier that if I was Calgary I would not trade the 6 for fleury .... Murray woukd take the 6 and Bennett at this point ( not happening)
- Brianandr1

#6 and Bennett? Lol no thanks

You're wrong. Fleury has a NMC/NTC. Those players have to be protected. So if both players are on the roster at the time of the expansion draft, Fleury has to be protected, not Murray
- DeflatedPucks

So basically Penguins need to convince FLeury to waive his No-trade otherwise they lose Murray to an expansion team.

Or be forced to trade murray. That would suck.

I said very clearly earlier that if I was Calgary I would not trade the 6 for fleury .... Murray woukd take the 6 and Bennett at this point ( not happening)
- Brianandr1

Asinine. No GM in their right mind would pay that cost just to get an up and coming goalie.

Yep. And Reimer wants to be a #1, he's from Manitoba so I think Calgary is probably already on his radar big time.

Too bad he isn't a number 1. Calgary should sign Reimer if they want to continue their losing culture. He's only 3 years younger and no real resume to speak of. MAF is the best option that has been mentioned and would be exactly what this team needs.

You're wrong. Fleury has a NMC/NTC. Those players have to be protected. So if both players are on the roster at the time of the expansion draft, Fleury has to be protected, not Murray
- DeflatedPucks

Clubs only have to protect full NMC players... They are not losing Murray

I'm sure Fleury will really like being the backup next year. He'll likely demand a trade. If the pens were smart they'd trade him now while his value is high instead of next year for a 2ND because he demanded a trade.

But no rebuilding team will let go of their 1St round pick for Fleury. Especially the #6 pick. He's a good Goalie, but take your head out of your ass. Everyone knows they'd be doing Pitts a huge favour by taking Fleury off their hands before another Luongo/Schneider situation develops.

Keep both goalies next year and watch the drama unfold.
- Razzdazzle1

You have two firsts and three seconds I believe... Pens are not asking for the #6 overall for Fluery. That would be ridiculous. However, a late first or two late seconds is reasonable IMO.

I raised the issue in the Ek blog that featured this possibility and I don't think enough people are considering the fact that he has NMC and HAS to be protected during the expansion draft. So they're in a bit of a situation where they either keep Fleury and expose him to the draft, expose Murray (lol no), or trade him for a solid return. Also worth factoring in is if you guys have any other goalie you'd rather protect.

EDIT: I see someone just raised it Sorry.

Too bad he isn't a number 1. Calgary should sign Reimer if they want to continue their losing culture. He's only 3 years younger and no real resume to speak of. MAF is the best option that has been mentioned and would be exactly what this team needs.
- all-pgh

If we follow Pittsburgs model of finding a winning culture; we'd have to take a few more years of trying to get lucky and win top picks.

Should we blow an entire year in order to pick a goalie 1st overall too?

You're wrong. Fleury has a NMC/NTC. Those players have to be protected. So if both players are on the roster at the time of the expansion draft, Fleury has to be protected, not Murray
- DeflatedPucks

Limited... changes things.

You have two firsts and three seconds I believe... Pens are not asking for the #6 overall for Fluery. That would be ridiculous. However, a late first or two late seconds is reasonable IMO.
- hipcheck_goalie

One first and three seconds unless Dallas wins the next two.

They win the series and its two firsts and two seconds.

But yeah, the two seconds that aren't the 36th overall sounds fine with me.

Clubs only have to protect full NMC players... They are not losing Murray
- hipcheck_goalie

He has a full NMC because how do you offer a limited-NMC? "I have to submit a list of 10 teams that you can waive me to"? A NMC is an addition to a NTC. As far as we've been told, NMC have to be protected. No one but the board of governors knows the exact details or whether or not the players will be allowed the option to waive them. All we can assume based on the information I've seen (Elliote Friedman) is that any NMC has to be protected.

Limited... changes things.
- geta02it

Limited NTC. I don't see how a NMC can be limited when it only protects against waivers and demotion.