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Forums :: Blog World :: Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks: St. Petersburg is Great, Hamonic To Stay, UFA Targets
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VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

May 11 @ 10:15 AM ET
You could not be more wrong.
Look at the stats. He's more than holding his own. Just because he didn't do well on a terrible canuck team doesn't mean he's a bad player.

- bloatedmosquito

How does a terrible team account for his horrible foot speed. He was part of the reason this was a terrible team.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

May 11 @ 10:16 AM ET
And any physical western team.
- VanHockeyGuy

Very true.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

May 11 @ 10:20 AM ET
Back that statement up. Prove it.

I'll save you some time... you can't.

- bloatedmosquito



I followed him the first half of the year . He was crap. You can paint any pretty picture you want about him , he had one good month here and then stunk.

I couldn't care less about a guy that had a cup of coffee here, so I am not going to get into a debate. If you think he is the Conn Smythe winner then that's your opinion . Me I don't miss him at all.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

May 11 @ 10:20 AM ET
You could not be more wrong.
Look at the stats. He's more than holding his own. Just because he didn't do well on a terrible canuck team doesn't mean he's a bad player.

- bloatedmosquito

I never said he was bad just slow...and it hurt his game here because we could not support him with proper talent. He's doing ok but really Kessel and Cullen with speed open up the ice for Bonino where he gets his chances. He really isn't creating many of his scoring chances on his own. Teams are so focused on Kessel and Cullen on that line they are forgetting about Bonino which gives him an advantage. similar thinking to when Bonino was in ANA with Winnick and Cogliano. Winnick and Cogliano created so much space for Bonino he was successful there. In Van putting Burrows and Higgins with Bonino he was just never going to succeed here.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

May 11 @ 10:25 AM ET
I followed him the first half of the year . He was crap. You can paint any pretty picture you want about him , he had one good month here and then stunk.

I couldn't care less about a guy that had a cup of coffee here, so I am not going to get into a debate. If you think he is the Conn Smythe winner then that's your opinion . Me I don't miss him at all.

- VANTEL


He's a skilled lightweight on a talented eastern conference team.
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

May 11 @ 10:26 AM ET
Looks like we traded away our future number 1 Center for a 3rd line Center.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

May 11 @ 10:27 AM ET
Looks like we traded away our future number 1 Center for a 3rd line Center.
- Scooby_Doo


If Bonino is our #1 center, we will be picking in Auston Matthews territory for several years.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

May 11 @ 10:32 AM ET
ASL thinks Hamhuis and Ericsson will be our FA signings this year , I will reply with a different answe.

You won't like it but I see something like this. Benning will try for Stamkos but won't get him. So he will look the next tier down.Brouwer has been a popular name but the Blues will probably re sign him. .

Ladd is going to be looking for a 6 mil contract. I don't think there will be a long list of teams to sign him at that price. I think Canucks will be looking to make an impact signing and him being a local boy they will try to make a deal. Both sides will be desperate so I see them settling for 5.5 for four years.

I am not saying I want it, I am saying I can see it happening.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

May 11 @ 10:32 AM ET
Looks like we traded away our future number 1 Center for a 3rd line Center.
- Scooby_Doo


I could score an OT goal sitting in the crease while playing with Hagelin and Kessel, because I am honestly about as fast as Bonino on skates... (which is poopin slow)
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

May 11 @ 10:33 AM ET
He's a skilled lightweight on a talented eastern conference team.
- VanHockeyGuy

And slow.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

May 11 @ 10:36 AM ET
Looks like we traded away our future number 1 Center for a 3rd line Center.
- Scooby_Doo

You worry too much.

We can put Sutter on waivers, Leafs will pick him up, we will finish third from the bottom , and end up drafting 6 th . We draft our future centre and he goes to college and decides to become a UFA and instead signs with the Oilers. We then get a second round pick for compensation.

No problem at all
LeftCoaster
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Duck City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 11 @ 10:40 AM ET
I will be truthful I don't care if the other teams make it. I want Canucks to start building a winner .i don't mean jump from 27 to top 5 this year , I mean build a team that can make the playoffs and compete and win one round.
- VANTEL

Good morning....I think they have started that process, with three good drafts under their belt, but, it's not an instant gratification thing, building takes time.

bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

May 11 @ 10:40 AM ET
I never said he was bad just slow...and it hurt his game here because we could not support him with proper talent. He's doing ok but really Kessel and Cullen with speed open up the ice for Bonino where he gets his chances. He really isn't creating many of his scoring chances on his own. Teams are so focused on Kessel and Cullen on that line they are forgetting about Bonino which gives him an advantage. similar thinking to when Bonino was in ANA with Winnick and Cogliano. Winnick and Cogliano created so much space for Bonino he was successful there. In Van putting Burrows and Higgins with Bonino he was just never going to succeed here.
- LordHumungous


That's not true. When Bonino replaced Malkin (when he got hurt) on the second line that line played better. Here are the possession numbers for Bonino and his linemates before and after Malkin went down.

Before
Bonino: Corsi For % 49.0 Relative Corsi -2.4
Kessel: Corsi For % 53.2 Relative Corsi 1.4
Hagelin: Corsi For % 55.1 Relative Corsi 1.3

After
Bonino: Corsi For % 62.2 Relative Corsi 4.6
Kessel: Corsi For % 61.9 Relative Corsi 4.3
Hagelin: Corsi For % 64.1 Relative Corsi 7.3

He is not being carried by his linemates. Bonino's a nice fit with Kessel and Hagelin. He helps them as much as they help him. That success is now rolling over into the playoffs.

I don't know why it's so hard for some canuck fans to give the guy some props. So what if he's a slow skater? I would rather have a Bonino than a Mason Raymond on this team.
LeftCoaster
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Duck City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 11 @ 10:41 AM ET
Looks like we traded away our future number 1 Center for a 3rd line Center.
- Scooby_Doo

Trolling....don't bite
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

May 11 @ 10:41 AM ET
And slow.
- VANTEL


LeftCoaster
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Duck City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 11 @ 10:43 AM ET
ASL thinks Hamhuis and Ericsson will be our FA signings this year , I will reply with a different answe.

You won't like it but I see something like this. Benning will try for Stamkos but won't get him. So he will look the next tier down.Brouwer has been a popular name but the Blues will probably re sign him. .

Ladd is going to be looking for a 6 mil contract. I don't think there will be a long list of teams to sign him at that price. I think Canucks will be looking to make an impact signing and him being a local boy they will try to make a deal. Both sides will be desperate so I see them settling for 5.5 for four years.

I am not saying I want it, I am saying I can see it happening.

- VANTEL

I remember Linden saying there isn't any quick fixes via free agency, which leads me to believe they won't be spending six million on and 30 or older players.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

May 11 @ 10:46 AM ET
I remember Linden saying there isn't any quick fixes via free agency, which leads me to believe they won't be spending six million on and 30 or older players.
- LeftCoaster

I remember Benning saying two weeks ago it depends on whether they go for a really big signing or a few lesser signings mid range. Linden has also said there is a couple of reasonably priced free agents that they are looking at.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

May 11 @ 10:54 AM ET
That's not true. When Bonino replaced Malkin (when he got hurt) on the second line that line played better. Here are the possession numbers for Bonino and his linemates before and after Malkin went down.

Before
Bonino: Corsi For % 49.0 Relative Corsi -2.4
Kessel: Corsi For % 53.2 Relative Corsi 1.4
Hagelin: Corsi For % 55.1 Relative Corsi 1.3

After
Bonino: Corsi For % 62.2 Relative Corsi 4.6
Kessel: Corsi For % 61.9 Relative Corsi 4.3
Hagelin: Corsi For % 64.1 Relative Corsi 7.3

He is not being carried by his linemates. Bonino's a nice fit with Kessel and Hagelin. He helps them as much as they help him. That success is now rolling over into the playoffs.

I don't know why it's so hard for some canuck fans to give the guy some props.
So what if he's a slow skater? I would rather have a Bonino than a Mason Raymond on this team.

- bloatedmosquito

Totally.
The guy had a great second round. That can't be denied. He is playing as well, if not better than his line mates. If I was a pens fan, I would be ecstatic about his contribution.

As a Canucks fan, I remember his streaky nature so I'm not totally surprised. Not a fit here but that doesn't mean he is sh!t.

Just b/c he's playing well now doesn't make it a bad trade. He's playing well and I congratulate him for it. I'd still do that trade though.
LeftCoaster
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Duck City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 11 @ 10:58 AM ET
Totally.
The guy had a great second round. That can't be denied. He is playing as well, if not better than his line mates. If I was a pens fan, I would be ecstatic about his contribution.

As a Canucks fan, I remember his streaky nature so I'm not totally surprised. Not a fit here but that doesn't mean he is sh!t.

Just b/c he's playing well now doesn't make it a bad trade. He's playing well and I congratulate him for it. I'd still do that trade though.

- RealityChecker

His play on the Pens is completely irrelevant to his play with the Canucks. Two very different scenarios and two very different teams. He's found a good fit there and he's contributing, good on him, he wasn't contributing offensively with the Canucks with the mix of players they had, so Benning made changes.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

May 11 @ 11:00 AM ET
I just hope at least one Canadian team makes the playoffs next year. Do I think the Canucks will be that team? No. Just a guess mind you.
- VanHockeyGuy

I don't care about Canadian teams personally.

However, I do like the Habs and Sens after the Nux... anyone else, I hope finish last.
LeftCoaster
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Duck City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 11 @ 11:00 AM ET
I remember Benning saying two weeks ago it depends on whether they go for a really big signing or a few lesser signings mid range. Linden has also said there is a couple of reasonably priced free agents that they are looking at.
- VANTEL

Should be an interesting June/July
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

May 11 @ 11:00 AM ET
His play on the Pens is completely irrelevant to his play with the Canucks. Two very different scenarios and two very different teams. He's found a good fit there and he's contributing, good on him, he wasn't contributing with the Canucks with the mix of players they had so Benning made changes.
- LeftCoaster

Well put and exactly right.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

May 11 @ 11:05 AM ET
Totally.
The guy had a great second round. That can't be denied. He is playing as well, if not better than his line mates. If I was a pens fan, I would be ecstatic about his contribution.

As a Canucks fan, I remember his streaky nature so I'm not totally surprised. Not a fit here but that doesn't mean he is sh!t.

Just b/c he's playing well now doesn't make it a bad trade. He's playing well and I congratulate him for it. I'd still do that trade though.

- RealityChecker

i would have tried to get Hagelin considering he was available (from ducks) and someone else who is speedy to provide the right players for Bonino to succeed with...
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

May 11 @ 11:06 AM ET
Trolling....don't bite
- LeftCoaster


CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

May 11 @ 11:07 AM ET
That's what I'm salivating about.

The team has an opportunity to really shape a brand new team. There is no need to force things or spend money just b/c you have it.

Be patient and the team will have a brand new core starting to develop and the cap space yo sign more than 1 impact ufa. Plus if the prospects are developing like hoped, it becomes a better destination for high level free agents.

- RealityChecker


Do you feel our fanbase will accept/ be patient if we play the season with $20 million in cap space?
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