If you keep sending out the same losing roster you will absolutely lose. You have a couple of trade pieces. You have about 25 million in cap space. There are teams hard against the cap . We have a top draft pick coming and the answer is bring back Hamhuis?
- VANTEL

woooooah partner.

Hamhuis is not an answer, i'm just saying if Hamhuis was resigned and if someone like Loui Erikson was signed to add some scoring, it would not justify running the GM out of town, it would not be the worst case scenario....That doesn't mean it's the best case scenario (signing STamkos, winning the draft lottery or trading up and signing the Twin Finns, etc).

If you keep sending out the same losing roster you will absolutely lose. You have a couple of trade pieces. You have about 25 million in cap space. There are teams hard against the cap . We have a top draft pick coming and the answer is bring back Hamhuis?
- VANTEL

To be honest I would bring back Hamhuis if it was no more than 2 mil a year and no longer than 2 yrs.

So......you guys solve all the Canucks problems yet?

So......you guys solve all the Canucks problems yet?
- golfingsince

Now you're being facetious?

So......you guys solve all the Canucks problems yet?
- golfingsince

Actually I'm starting to think the Canucks problems are us.

Actually I'm starting to think the Canucks problems are us.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Now you're being facetious?
- A_SteamingLombardi

Meh, same discussion every 3 days it seems. We just keep going in circles.

woooooah partner.

Hamhuis is not an answer, i'm just saying if Hamhuis was resigned and if someone like Loui Erikson was signed to add some scoring, it would not justify running the GM out of town, it would not be the worst case scenario....That doesn't mean it's the best case scenario (signing STamkos, winning the draft lottery or trading up and signing the Twin Finns, etc).
- dbot

My issue is that Hamhuis isn't the problem. Even if he signed a 3 year deal and ended that deal as our 6th/7th Dman (I doubt it), he's not the problem. Even when we had an excellent top four our bottom pairing was suspect.


If he's willing to sign a cap friendly deal I don't see the issue.

To be honest I would bring back Hamhuis if it was no more than 2 mil a year and no longer than 2 yrs.
- A_SteamingLombardi

This is a year you can swing for the fences. There are at least teams that are against the cap. Good teams too like NYR CHI LA ANA . Time to wa for the cheese to fall out of the crows mouth.

There are good UFAs that can be had at a good price. There are trades that we c make . We also have a good draft pick.

Actually I'm starting to think the Canucks problems are us.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I can see that we are the reason for our own frustration at the very least.

I'm being incredibly patient. I fully accepted 3 or 4 seasons ago how things would be for the next few years. It only has started to sink in for many people on here. Talking about it a couple of years ago was just going through the motions for most of the people on here, but it's a reality now. I was well prepared for the bottom to fall out and knew that patiently waiting for the draft to provide us with the next generation was coming. So I wait. If Benning comes out of a string of 1st round flops like Gillis did I will be snapping... but at this point I dont see that happening. Still really early though. More to be positive than negative about. It makes things easier for me.

This is a year you can swing for the fences. There are at least teams that are against the cap. Good teams too like NYR CHI LA ANA . Time to wa for the cheese to fall out of the crows mouth.

There are good UFAs that can be had at a good price. There are trades that we c make . We also have a good draft pick.
- VANTEL

Swing for what?
The re-build is not going to be completed this off season. This team will be sh1t, again, next season. Not point rushing the process. Draft top 10 next season while the young ones get to know the league and hopefully in 4 or 5 years we'll have a competitive & exciting team.
No quick fixes here, no matter how frustrating it is. Go get a bong and build a wood pile. It will help.

woooooah partner.

Hamhuis is not an answer, i'm just saying if Hamhuis was resigned and if someone like Loui Erikson was signed to add some scoring, it would not justify running the GM out of town, it would not be the worst case scenario....That doesn't mean it's the best case scenario (signing STamkos, winning the draft lottery or trading up and signing the Twin Finns, etc).
- dbot

I agree with both of you if that's possible...I dont want Hamhuis back but I also don't want Benning to do anything too drastic. Continue a slow, measured rebuild. I want our moves to be about the 2020 Canucks and not the 2017 team. With that being said, if the contracts are short it's ok adding a few quality vets

I can see that we are the reason for our own frustration at the very least.

I'm being incredibly patient. I fully accepted 3 or 4 seasons ago how things would be for the next few years. It only has started to sink in for many people on here. Talking about it a couple of years ago was just going through the motions for most of the people on here, but it's a reality now. I was well prepared for the bottom to fall out and knew that patiently waiting for the draft to provide us with the next generation was coming. So I wait. If Benning comes out of a string of 1st round flops like Gillis did I will be snapping... but at this point I dont see that happening. Still really early though. More to be positive than negative about. It makes things easier for me.

- boonerbuck

How many teams will be up against the cap next year and how many are up against it this year. This is an excellent year to take advantage of a team that needs cap relief. One of Gillis's best moves was the Ehrhoff deal. We can pull it off again. We are drafting a top 5 this year. These are not quick fixes.

I am even suggesting three of the young players back to make room for guys like Sven Rodin Etem . If they fail then call them back up, but let them develop ( JM JV and Hutton) for at least a year on the comets.

How many teams will be up against the cap next year and how many are up against it this year. This is an excellent year to take advantage of a team that needs cap relief. One of Gillis's best moves was the Ehrhoff deal. We can pull it off again. We are drafting a top 5 this year. These are not quick fixes.

I am even suggesting three of the young players back to make room for guys like Sven Rodin Etem . If they fail then call them back up, but let them develop ( JM JV and Hutton) for at least a year on the comets.
- VANTEL

Perhaps....the problem is that teams will protect their assets 25 and under first. I'm sure we can pry away an older player from a cap strapped team but it may be a short term solution

How many teams will be up against the cap next year and how many are up against it this year. This is an excellent year to take advantage of a team that needs cap relief. One of Gillis's best moves was the Ehrhoff deal. We can pull it off again. We are drafting a top 5 this year. These are not quick fixes.

I am even suggesting three of the young players back to make room for guys like Sven Rodin Etem . If they fail then call them back up, but let them develop ( JM JV and Hutton) for at least a year on the comets.
- VANTEL

Why are Hutton & Virtanen being demoted?

Perhaps....the problem is that teams will protect their assets 25 and under first. I'm sure we can pry away an older player from a cap strapped team but it may be a short term solution
- CanuckDon

The young assets that need to be protected are Pedan 700 K , Etem 900k , Sven 2 mil. I don't see them protecting Vey anymore. That still gives them about 20 mil in space. Don't bring back Burrows , Higgins Hamhuis .

Bring in Brouwer at about 5 mil to replace Vrbata , bring in McGinn at 4 mil to replace Burrows and Higgins.

Find a Dman to replace Hamhuis that can score hit or fight .

Why are Hutton & Virtanen being demoted?
- Marwood

You call it a demotion I call it proper development.

Hutton has a good offensive game but a lot of holes in his own end. Learning the pro game on the Comets would help everyone. Same withJV . Twenty two minutes a night would help him a lot more than 10 minutes on the Canucks.

I get that you don't like change we had the same discussions arguments last summer when I suugested trading Vrbata

Your response to that was why the hell do you want to trade your top scorer

I also banged the drum hard last year on sending down Higgins .

You're response to that was he is a decent third liner.

We always see things differently.

You call it a demotion I call it proper development.

Hutton has a good offensive game but a lot of holes in his own end. Learning the pro game on the Comets would help everyone. Same withJV . Twenty two minutes a night would help him a lot more than 10 minutes on the Canucks.

I get that you don't like change we had the same discussions arguments last summer when I suugested trading Vrbata

Your response to that was why the hell do you want to trade your top scorer

I also banged the drum hard last year on sending down Higgins .

You're response to that was he is a decent third liner.

We always see things differently.
- VANTEL

So you want to send Hutton to the minors and not re-sign Hamhuis?

Please list our 7 D next season.

Also, you wanted to waive Daniel 2 years ago.

Holy Kessel run.

Pitts up 3-0.

Holy Kessel run.

Pitts up 3-0.
- dbot

Single handedly moving the Leafs draft pick back.

I can see that we are the reason for our own frustration at the very least.

I'm being incredibly patient. I fully accepted 3 or 4 seasons ago how things would be for the next few years. It only has started to sink in for many people on here. Talking about it a couple of years ago was just going through the motions for most of the people on here, but it's a reality now. I was well prepared for the bottom to fall out and knew that patiently waiting for the draft to provide us with the next generation was coming. So I wait. If Benning comes out of a string of 1st round flops like Gillis did I will be snapping... but at this point I dont see that happening. Still really early though. More to be positive than negative about. It makes things easier for me.

- boonerbuck

So you want to send Hutton to the minors and not re-sign Hamhuis?

Please list our 7 D next season.

Also, you wanted to waive Daniel 2 years ago.
- golfingsince

Vantel really wants change

Vantel really wants change
- CanuckDon

I know he does, and can respect that.

However, change for the sake of change isn't good.

It's like trading your old wife for a new one just because, it just costs more.

You call it a demotion I call it proper development.

Hutton has a good offensive game but a lot of holes in his own end. Learning the pro game on the Comets would help everyone. Same withJV . Twenty two minutes a night would help him a lot more than 10 minutes on the Canucks.

I get that you don't like change we had the same discussions arguments last summer when I suugested trading Vrbata

Your response to that was why the hell do you want to trade your top scorer

I also banged the drum hard last year on sending down Higgins .

You're response to that was he is a decent third liner.

We always see things differently.
- VANTEL

Sending Hutton & Virtanen to the minors is a step backwards.
Higgins could have been a decent 3rd liner if not injured in the pre-season. We will never know.
The Canucks are not winning anything next season beyond a Participation Ribbon. Baby steps.
Baby step to the draft.
Baby step to developing young players.
Baby step to keeping a few veterans throughout the line up.
Baby step to old contracts playing out and not wasting cap space on buyouts.
Baby step building a strong, contending team in 4 or 5 years.

It's going to suck for another year or 2 and then we start planning a huge Presidents Trophy Parade through all of kaptaan's socioeconomically approved neighbourhoods & districts.