trade edler, hansen and mccann and you maybe get bean, he might be that guy.
- mauryballstein

So all three of them for a guy outside the top 10?

WTF man? Do you hate the Canucks?

It worked for the Leafs.
- LeftCoaster

Yup .

So all three of them for a guy outside the top 10?

WTF man? Do you hate the Canucks?
- golfingsince

He's really sensnucksnocups.

Oilers dropped 2 spots this year also. Other years you were guaranteed to only drop 1 at the most.
- VANTEL

A top 5 pick is still the best way to rebuild. The top point getters are usually taken at the top of the draft.

Just b/c they dropped 2 spots in the lottery doesn't mean that the high pick was not worth the horrible year.

He's really sensnucksnocups.
- thundachunk

I hope so.

Jesus Christ we might as well move Bo and Virtanen for a top 5.

Injuries also showed how paper thin the roster is. I just think that we as fans shouldn't be fooled into thinking this team is closer than it really is.

Lousy teams do well in the first half of the season. It happens every year as some of the better teams start slowly. The Pacific division was probably the worst at that last season.

This is a rebuilding team and I don't want shortcuts taken under the guise of "we can make the playoffs." Making some short sighted signings or trades like have been suggested will make them a bubble team for the next several seasons which delay the inevitable crash and proper rebuild.
- RealityChecker

Closer to what? I think they're a rebuilding team with enough good veteran players to keep them outta the bottom UNLESS they run into injuries.

Then, like you said, you see the lack of organizational depth...thanks Mike Gillis.

A top 5 pick is still the best way to rebuild. The top point getters are usually taken at the top of the draft.

Just b/c they dropped 2 spots in the lottery doesn't mean that the high pick was not worth the horrible year.
- RealityChecker

I disagree. A top pick is never worth the horrible year, it's just a consolation prize.

I hope so.

Jesus Christ we might as well move Bo and Virtanen for a top 5.
- golfingsince

2 prospects for 1. Recipe for success!

2 prospects for 1. Recipe for success!
- RealityChecker

(frank)ing ridiculous. He's 20 years old and hasn't done nothing!!

I disagree. A top pick is never worth the horrible year, it's just a consolation prize.
- golfingsince

I wanted this horrible season the year before as well.

You will take your punishment and like it.

The only response for this season is, "thank you sir, may I have another."

Yup .
- VANTEL

The Leafs are gonna be just like the Oilers though I can't wait to hear how great their prospects are and they're destined to win a Cup soon LOL.

I wanted this horrible season the year before as well.

You will take your punishment and like it.

The only response for this season is, "thank you sir, may I have another."
- RealityChecker

Seasons like this usually mean you are bereft of talent organization wide. There is no magic bullet, it's going to take awhile until you see improvement.

I'd rather the team remain competitive for a couple of years until they bottom out and have vets around to help the youth instead of bottoming out right away and ridding ourselves of all vets.

The Leafs are gonna be just like the Oilers though I can't wait to hear how great their prospects are and they're destined to win a Cup soon LOL.
- LeftCoaster

If I could have any 2 top lines from any team it might be the oilers. Other than that they suck. $hit Defence, poop goaltending, prospects or otherwise. OOHh but we have Darnell Nurse. f@ck off.

Closer to what? I think they're a rebuilding team with enough good veteran players to keep them outta the bottom UNLESS they run into injuries.

Then, like you said, you see the lack of organizational depth...thanks Mike Gillis.
- LeftCoaster

And I'm saying that if you try to add some depth through some ufa signing(s) and/or trades, the team will be a bubble team. That, to me, is no man's land.

If I could have any 2 top lines from any team it might be the oilers. Other than that they suck. $hit Defence, poop goaltending, prospects or otherwise. OOHh but we have Darnell Nurse. f@ck off.
- thundachunk

A top 5 pick is still the best way to rebuild. The top point getters are usually taken at the top of the draft.

Just b/c they dropped 2 spots in the lottery doesn't mean that the high pick was not worth the horrible year.
- RealityChecker

I hate when someone says how is that working for the Oilers, but how is that working for the Oilers.

Leafs even with the number one and their last two top 10 picks , even with Stamkos will suck for years.

We have Bo JV and this years pick all top 10 and yet there is a good chance our two best future scorers might be Boeser ( drafted at 23 )and Sven ( a trade piece)

Seasons like this usually mean you are bereft of talent organization wide. There is no magic bullet, it's going to take awhile until you see improvement.

I'd rather the team remain competitive for a couple of years until they bottom out and have vets around to help the youth instead of bottoming out right away and ridding ourselves of all vets.
- golfingsince

I want some vets around as well. I would like to keep the expiring contracts and aging declining vets.

That should insulate the youngsters if deployed properly. And it's not like those vets are going to lead to a playoff team.

And I'm saying that if you try to add some depth through some ufa signing(s) and/or trades, the team will be a bubble team. That, to me, is no man's land.
- RealityChecker

Hawks had one or two top picks signed this UFA named Marian Hossa , I think it worked out well

Kings signed Mitchell and traded for Regher. Shored up their D.


It is by using all three ways trade , D&D and smart UFA signings .

And I'm saying that if you try to add some depth through some ufa signing(s) and/or trades, the team will be a bubble team. That, to me, is no man's land.
- RealityChecker

You can find great players throughout the draft, Brock Boeser was a 23rd overall pick, great prospect, Robby Fabbri (Blues) was 21st overall, Tryamkin was a 3rd rounder, there's tons of players I could list not in the top ten picks.

Just sayin...

I want some vets around as well. I would like to keep the expiring contracts and aging declining vets.

That should insulate the youngsters if deployed properly. And it's not like those vets are going to lead to a playoff team.
- RealityChecker

Kind of my point. Either they make enough of a difference to drag you in, or they just teach the kids the right way to approach the game.

What doesn't happen though, is that young teams learn that losing is acceptable.

I hate when someone says how is that working for the Oilers, but how is that working for the Oilers.

Leafs even with the number one and their last two top 10 picks , even with Stamkos will suck for years.

We have Bo JV and this years pick all top 10 and yet there is a good chance our two best future scorers might be Boeser ( drafted at 23 )and Sven ( a trade piece)
- VANTEL

I hate when someone points to the Oilers as the definitive case study.

Lots of teams have gone through prolonged losing/tanks. The last 5 cups went to 2 of those teams.

A tank or high picks doesn't automatically give you a contender but it increases your odds. You still need to make smart picks, trades and signings obviously.

However, high picks will have a ripple effect throughout. The Oilers have been sh! T but they still have those prospects/assets to trade.

You can find great players throughout the draft, Brock Boeser was a 23rd overall pick, great prospect, Robby Fabbri (Blues) was 21st overall, Tryamkin was a 3rd rounder, there's tons of players I could list not in the top ten picks.

Just sayin...
- LeftCoaster

I hear ya.

I'm just tired of having to cross my fingers on a 20+ pick. You can always find the diamond in the rough but it's hard to business plan that.

You can find great players throughout the draft, Brock Boeser was a 23rd overall pick, great prospect, Robby Fabbri (Blues) was 21st overall, Tryamkin was a 3rd rounder, there's tons of players I could list not in the top ten picks.

Just sayin...
- LeftCoaster

I was really happy with the bruins 3 picks last season.

Hawks had one or two top picks signed this UFA named Marian Hossa , I think it worked out well

Kings signed Mitchell and traded for Regher. Shored up their D.


It is by using all three ways trade , D&D and smart UFA signings .
- VANTEL

And your making my point for me. The two examples you cited were signed when the teams were on the cusp of taking the next step IN the playoffs. They weren't signed in the early stages of the rebuild.

I want some vets around as well. I would like to keep the expiring contracts and aging declining vets.

That should insulate the youngsters if deployed properly. And it's not like those vets are going to lead to a playoff team.
- RealityChecker

One thing Carol mentioned in a posting the other day. Team Canada's young D really looked up to Tanev for Mentorship.

Nothing wrong with moving Burrows and bringing in a bigger tougher better scoring Brouwerthat has a ring and can mentor.

This is a soft team . Some playoff toughness could go a long way and only cost 500 k a year more.