(frank) me people need to get off the bong and be realistic.
- LeftCoaster

I think you're probably right but you've been pretty pessimistic rather than realistic. A healthy blend of both I guess.

Gudbranson is better then Dillon. Tryamkin is closer to Dillon than Dillon is to Gudbranson.
- Retinalz

No....sorry but thats wrong IMO. Look at their style of play, numbers and age, they're very similar players.

Another dreger story we all see as retarded.
we need a crazy person to join our board ...someone that'll ummm say call in a bomb threat to tsn demanded Dreger posts no more stories about the canucks

I think you're probably right but you've been pretty pessimistic rather than realistic. A healthy blend of both I guess.
- WhatTheNuck

My pessimism comes from trading away youth or overpaying in trades for draft picks. Which is exactly what Vantel, and others, are suggesting. Pay with more youth to get what you want.

The team is set at center with Hank, Sutter and Horvat, if they need anything it's a top six winger or two.

Building takes years to accomplish, they're just getting started and guys wanna trade youth away already

You're high. Again I will trust Benning's decisions over posters here.

I told you it was an example , don't put too much into the names. Duchene scored 30 last year not the year before or the year before.

I said start with Tryamkin because Sakic said he wants a big young Dman. Tryamkin is high risk high reward.

You add to the deal . JV as much as everyone likes him is tradable. He is a highly drafted kid that is a few years away from being an impact player. You add a draft pick from 2017 and Colorado are listening.

I doubt Oilers are trading Hall for Duchene , or Winnipeg are trading Schieffle . Arizona are not trading Strome so who is trading for Duchene.

He was apparently on the trade block last year at TDL and no takers .
- VANTEL

I'm just glad you're not running the team or they'd be in the tank forever, building takes time!

You're high. Again I will trust Benning's decisions over posters here.

I told you it was an example , don't put too much into the names. Duchene scored 30 last year not the year before or the year before.

I said start with Tryamkin because Sakic said he wants a big young Dman. Tryamkin is high risk high reward.

You add to the deal . JV as much as everyone likes him is tradable. He is a highly drafted kid that is a few years away from being an impact player. You add a draft pick from 2017 and Colorado are listening.

I doubt Oilers are trading Hall for Duchene , or Winnipeg are trading Schieffle . Arizona are not trading Strome so who is trading for Duchene.

He was apparently on the trade block last year at TDL and no takers .
- VANTEL

Interesting that Duchene is available, I think poster's are right it starts with the 5oa, maybe that with an Edler or Tanev and one of Gaunce/Pedan? I don't see anymore of the JV/tree/Bo/Mark youth being traded, McCann was the expendable one. I think you're right if it was a deal that blew JB's socks off, than maybe. But it's unlikely I'd wager.

No....sorry but thats wrong IMO. Look at their style of play, numbers and age, they're very similar players.
- LeftCoaster

Yeah but you always under value our prospects and over value others.


here is an example. Ryan ORielly has similar numbers as Duchene over the last three years. Avs trade him and 20 goal scorer Jamie Benn for Grigorenko who was demoted to third line centre, Zadorov who was injured and demoted to the AHL and the 31 st pick in 2017

That sure as hell sounds like Tryamkin JV and our second to me for one player not two.

Again no one is trading their best players for players that teams want to move.

I'm just glad you're not running the team or they'd be in the tank forever, building takes time!
- LeftCoaster

Yeah but over the last few years I have predicted way more trades and moves that have come true than you have . We seem to be turning the old core around nicely

I think it's time for whiskey.

My scenario has a video of Matthews using drugs coming out just before the draft and he drops to us at 5th. No trades required.

Yeah but over the last few years I have predicted way more trades that have come true than you have . We seem to be turning the old core around nicely
- VANTEL

I think you might actually be Mike Gillis?

Just kidding, I like our debates, they're fun and interesting. Yes I like that Benning's found some young guys (Etem, Granlund, Baerstchi, Vey, Pedan) other team have given up on for pretty much nothing, except Baerstchi, but lets be honest, only Baerstchi has the potential to be a legit top six forward.

It's his drafting that intrigues me a lot more than his trades, that's where he's found real value imo, that's why I get pissy when he trades away picks.

I think you might actually be Mike Gillis?

Just kidding, I like our debates, they're fun and interesting. Yes I like that Benning's found some young guys (Etem, Granlund, Baerstchi, Vey, Pedan) other team have given up on for pretty much nothing, except Baerstchi, but lets be honest, only Baerstchi has the potential to be a legit top six forward.

It's his drafting that intrigues me a lot more than his trades, that's where he's found real value imo, that's why I get pissy when he trades away picks.
- LeftCoaster

There's something about this franchise and trading away 2nd round picks.

My scenario has a video of Matthews using drugs coming out just before the draft and he drops to us at 5th. No trades required.
- golfingsince

We should all buy you a beer.

Yeah but you always under value our prospects and over value others.


here is an example. Ryan ORielly has similar numbers as Duchene over the last three years. Avs trade him and 20 goal scorer Jamie Benn for Grigorenko who was demoted to third line centre, Zadorov who was injured and demoted to the AHL and the 31 st pick in 2017

That sure as hell sounds like Tryamkin JV and our second to me for one player not two.

Again no one is trading their best players for players that teams want to move.
- VANTEL

Again you're not even in the same ballpark, that's where we disagree. ROR is nowhere near the offensive player Duchene is and he was really difficult with contract negotiations, now he's extremely overpaid! That example is not as black & white as you make it out to be.

ROR has 111 goals 306 points in 498 games, Duchene has 156 goals 377 points in 495 games….that may not seem like a tremendous difference but it really is, 45 goals difference is a lot of goals over the same time frame.

I think you might actually be Mike Gillis?

Just kidding, I like our debates, they're fun and interesting. Yes I like that Benning's found some young guys (Etem, Granlund, Baerstchi, Vey, Pedan) other team have given up on for pretty much nothing, except Baerstchi, but lets be honest, only Baerstchi has the potential to be a legit top six forward.

It's his drafting that intrigues me a lot more than his trades, that's where he's found real value imo, that's why I get pissy when he trades away picks.
- LeftCoaster

Baert has a chance to be a top 6 goal scorer on a bad team.

Bo is going to be very good.

We need to get better end talent. I see no problem with trading young talent packages for better young talent players.Gudbranson will be a big improvement to changing the style we play.

I understand that Edler is a safe minute muncher but I want to attack not defend .

If we can carry a young center core of Duchene Bo and Sutter and keep our draft pick then you build it even if you do lose JV .

We should all buy you a beer.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I think it's just as likely if not more likely than many of the scenarios posted lately.

After we trade Tryamkin as the centrepiece in the Duchene deal, we should see if we can move Pedan as the centrepiece in a Galchenyuk deal.

Again you're not even in the same ballpark, that's where we disagree. ROR is nowhere near the offensive player Duchene is and he was really difficult with contract negotiations, now he's extremely overpaid! That example is not as black & white as you make it out to be.

ROR has 111 goals 306 points in 498 games, Duchene has 156 goals 377 points in 495 games….that may not seem like a tremendous difference but it really is, 45 goals difference is a lot of goals over the same time frame.
- LeftCoaster

How about the last three years.

I think it's just as likely if not more likely than many of the scenarios posted lately.

After we trade Tryamkin as the centrepiece in the Duchene deal, we should see if we can move Pedan as the centrepiece in a Galchenyuk deal.
- golfingsince

Bite me

Baert has a chance to be a top 6 goal scorer on a bad team.

Bo is going to be very good.

We need to get better end talent. I see no problem with trading young talent packages for better young talent players.Gudbranson will be a big improvement to changing the style we play.

I understand that Edler is a safe minute muncher but I want to attack not defend .

If we can carry a young center core of Duchene Bo and Sutter and keep our draft pick then you build it even if you do lose JV .
- VANTEL

If you can get Duchene for a song and dance, I'm all for it, I just don't' think it's realistic buddy. There are no quick fixes buddy!

I'd rather draft Dubois and keep Tryamkin and Virtanen, the future looks a lot brighter with those three than with just Duchene.

Same thing was said last year with Gudbrandson. As I said you start there. You could add next years first or JV or Sven .

People laughed at McCann for Gudbrandson last year . Can't be done. Fla wanted to get rid of him.

McIlrath is another one NY want to move. Duchesne and Barrie Col want to move. Teams are not trading Hall for Duschene.
- VANTEL

next years 1st from us for this years 1st from someone else. You Might have merit there.
If a team bases our finish this season as projection of next season we could maybe get a 14-20 range pick this year for next years (its said to be a weak draft...if theres even any truth to that.) with them banking on us finishing bottom 5 and potential to get #1.

Not a bad idea vantel

If you can get Duchene for a song and dance, I'm all for it, I just don't' think it's realistic buddy. There are no quick fixes buddy!

I'd rather draft Dubois and keep Tryamkin and Virtanen, the future looks a lot brighter with those three than with just Duchene.
- LeftCoaster

People have no patience to restock the cupboards....

Still looking for that magic bullet.

If you can get Duchene for a song and dance, I'm all for it, I just don't' think it's realistic buddy. There are no quick fixes buddy!

I'd rather draft Dubois and keep Tryamkin and Virtanen, the future looks a lot brighter with those three than with just Duchene.
- LeftCoaster

Everyone keeps saying there are no quick fixes but I don't see Canucks management following that theory.

I heard a good quote for Ken Holland today when asked why don't you do a rebuild . He said hell no it takes too long

How about the last three years.
- VANTEL

ROR - 28-17-21 goals, 64-55-60 points
Duchene - 23-21-30 goals, 70-55-59 points

But ROR wanted 7.5 million per year, which he got….that's ridiculous

ROR - 28-17-21 goals, 64-55-60 points
Duchene - 23-21-30 goals, 70-55-59 points

But ROR wanted 7.5 million per year, which he got….that's ridiculous
- LeftCoaster

Duchene has the edge in points but they are close.

Everyone keeps saying there are no quick fixes but I don't see Canucks management following that theory.

I heard a good quote for Ken Holland today when asked why don't you do a rebuild . He said hell no it takes too long
- VANTEL

Dettoit doesn't trade away their draft picks, big difference, they "build" every year through the draft. They drafted Larkin 15th overall and he's better than everyone in the 2014 draft except Ekblad and Draisaitl. That's how you constantly build on the fly, you draft well and you don't trade away your youth or picks.