My scenario has a video of Matthews using drugs coming out just before the draft and he drops to us at 5th. No trades required.
- golfingsince

Oh I love it!
tweak....video with the entire top 5 doing it together...then we'd have our pick

a simple story coming out that theyve been partying w kassian would probably suffice

People have no patience to restock the cupboards....

Still looking for that magic bullet.
- golfingsince

What makes you so sure that it'll actually work that way though? JB had a good draft year last year but if you look at Edmonton and their restocking it scares me. All those high picks with great players and they still can't figure it out. I agree to continue drafting but I think this year will be the worst year for draft picks traded. He has just barely started to see light at the end of the tunnel after the Gillis era. One more year!

Dettoit doesn't trade away their draft picks, big difference, they "build" every year through the draft. They drafted Larkin 15th overall and he's better than everyone in the 2014 draft except Ekblad and Draisaitl. That's how you constantly build on the fly, you draft well and you don't trade away your youth.
- LeftCoaster

They let Ferraro get picked up on waivers , drafted at 31

How many first round draft picks do Detroit have on the roster right now Larkin and Mantha in and out ( more out)

They are no way the emblem of drafting first round picks . They do have excellent drafting in later rounds .

They let Ferraro get picked up on waivers , drafted at 31

How many first round draft icks do Detroit have on the roster right now Larkin and Mantha in and out ( more out)

they are no way the emblem of drafting first round picks . They do have excellent drafting in later rounds .
- VANTEL

I guess they had no use for him, bad pick, can't all be great picks, doesn't negate the fact they build their team through drafting and developing while still trying to compete.

What makes you so sure that it'll actually work that way though? JB had a good draft year last year but if you look at Edmonton and their restocking it scares me. All those high picks with great players and they still can't figure it out. I agree to continue drafting but I think this year will be the worst year for draft picks traded. He has just barely started to see light at the end of the tunnel after the Gillis era. One more year!
- WhatTheNuck

Doing it by drafting alone never works. You need to trade and add by UFA also and develop.

They let Ferraro get picked up on waivers , drafted at 31

How many first round draft picks do Detroit have on the roster right now Larkin and Mantha in and out ( more out)

They are no way the emblem of drafting first round picks . They do have excellent drafting in later rounds .
- VANTEL

I would add that their development would be equally impressive.

What makes you so sure that it'll actually work that way though? JB had a good draft year last year but if you look at Edmonton and their restocking it scares me. All those high picks with great players and they still can't figure it out. I agree to continue drafting but I think this year will be the worst year for draft picks traded. He has just barely started to see light at the end of the tunnel after the Gillis era. One more year!
- WhatTheNuck

You don't know it will work, but the Oilers haven't really been lights out at the draft table. It's looking more and more like one of their 1st overall picks could be a bust and another just a solid 2 way pivot.

The thing is, the Oilers despite being a laughing stock for most of the past decade are much, much closer then us to being perennial contenders if not becoming more special than that. They have the assets to make deals and round out their roster, we hardly have any.

I guess they had no use for him, bad pick, can't all be great picks, doesn't negate the fact they build their team through drafting and developing while still trying to compete.
- LeftCoaster

Ferarro is doing good on Boston. Detroit pulled a Frank Corrado with him . It was a mistake.

I would add that their development would be equally impressive.
- WhatTheNuck

Indeed but Benning did not have that luxury. He acquired a sh!t show. You will see once he gets the team he wants he will do exactly that way.

We are close to changing all the old core but we still have two years to go before full changes. Then see how he does.

Ferarro is doing good on Boston. Detroit pulled a Frank Corrado with him . It was a mistake.
- VANTEL

Again....that still doesn't take away from the fact they draft and develop as a staple of their franchise.

What youth have they traded?

You don't know it will work, but the Oilers haven't really been lights out at the draft table. It's looking more and more like one of their 1st overall picks could be a bust and another just a solid 2 way pivot.

The thing is, the Oilers despite being a laughing stock for most of the past decade are much, much closer then us to being perennial contenders if not becoming more special than that. They have the assets to make deals and round out their roster, we hardly have any.
- golfingsince

Fair enough but I think they are at a point where they really start making the right moves but with the way they have valued their picks has made them hard to deal with. They have all the assets like you say, but they could go either way still. If they don't just bite the bullet and part with a few players they will be burned when McDavid need so be resigned after ELC. This has to be the year that changes or they aren't any further off then we will be after another year.

You don't know it will work, but the Oilers haven't really been lights out at the draft table. It's looking more and more like one of their 1st overall picks could be a bust and another just a solid 2 way pivot.

The thing is, the Oilers despite being a laughing stock for most of the past decade are much, much closer then us to being perennial contenders if not becoming more special than that. They have the assets to make deals and round out their roster, we hardly have any.
- golfingsince

And yet with all their building and drafting we still finished ahead of them with a crippled team. I like our back end and goalie situation much better than theirs. Yes they have McJesus and Hall after that Draisitl and nobody

Fair enough but I think they are at a point where they really start making the right moves but with the way they have valued their picks has made them hard to deal with. They have all the assets like you say, but they could go either way still. If they don't just bite the bullet and part with a few players they will be burned when McDavid need so be resigned after ELC. This has to be the year that changes or they aren't any further off then we will be after another year.
- WhatTheNuck

I think if the Oilers were to overpay for a franchise D it would be well worth it. That team would look drastically different with a 30 minute guy leading the back end. The bottom 6 is easy enough to fix in today's NHL.

Again....that still doesn't take away from the fact they draft and develop as a staple of their franchise.

What youth have they traded?
- LeftCoaster

How many first round picks have made it in the last 10 years onto the Wings. Mantha hasnt fully made the team so don't say him.

Larkin and who else?

You're high. Again I will trust Benning's decisions over posters here.

I told you it was an example , don't put too much into the names. Duchene scored 30 last year not the year before or the year before.

I said start with Tryamkin because Sakic said he wants a big young Dman. Tryamkin is high risk high reward.

You add to the deal . JV as much as everyone likes him is tradable. He is a highly drafted kid that is a few years away from being an impact player. You add a draft pick from 2017 and Colorado are listening.

I doubt Oilers are trading Hall for Duchene , or Winnipeg are trading Schieffle . Arizona are not trading Strome so who is trading for Duchene.

He was apparently on the trade block last year at TDL and no takers .
- VANTEL

Okay it wasn't that Duchene wasn't wanted it's that the Avs price is extremely high. He had 23, 21, 30 goals in his 1st 3 seasons. He's arguably one of the best young players in the NHL right now on a crappy Avs team. I'd love him but I'd be surprised if they didn't ask for Bo and Tanev as a starting point. Duchene is a 1c period.

Going to game 6 who would have thought. Jones is in the Conn Smithe talk now if for some reason they can pull this out.

Okay it wasn't that Duchene wasn't wanted it's that the Avs price is extremely high. He had 23, 2, 30 goals in his 1st 3 seasons. He's arguably one of the best young players in the NHL right now on a crappy Avs team. I'd love him but I'd be surprised if they didn't ask for Bo and Tanev as a starting point. Duchene is a 1c period.
- allsports

Linden has already said Sakic asked for Tanev or Hutton for Barrie and the answer was no.

We are not trading Bo and we are not trading Tanev

And yet with all their building and drafting we still finished ahead of them with a crippled team. I like our back end and goalie situation much better than theirs. Yes they have McJesus and Hall after that Draisitl and nobody
- VANTEL

We have one winger better than Eberle, and one C better than RNH currently so I wouldn't exactly say nobody. Is our current D and goaltending better? Probably, but wait a couple of years.

Also, they suffered quite a few injuries themselves. I'm pretty sure their youth will improve whereas I won't make the same claim for our over 35 top line players.

I think if the Oilers were to overpay for a franchise D it would be well worth it. That team would look drastically different with a 30 minute guy leading the back end. The bottom 6 is easy enough to fix in today's NHL.
- golfingsince

Yes I agree but I don't think they need an offensive type defenseman. They need some responsible puck movers. Their offense is more than enough.

Canucks aren't in a bad spot either but they are just more balanced then the Oilers are. Not strong offensively but their defense paired with future goaltending looks brighter. If we found a few more forwards between this year and next year then I don't see us being that fat apart from them. Biggest difference is that young franchise suprestart in McDavid and while that may seem huge, if they don't learn to back check more effectively they are still going to struggle.

If they go after Subban I think they will be disappointed. That guy creates more turnovers then McDonald's goes through employees.

Linden has already said Sakic asked for Tanev or Hutton for Barrie and the answer was no.

We are not trading Bo and we are not trading Tanev
- VANTEL

Yep and Duchene is in a different league than Barrie. He's a 1c and has already played for Team Canada in Sochi so let's not even say that Bo is in the same league as Duchene yet as much as I like Bo. Just saying that there's no way that we have a package good enough to trade for him unless it cripples our future.

We have one winger better than Eberle, and one C better than RNH currently so I wouldn't exactly say nobody. Is our current D and goaltending better? Probably, but wait a couple of years.

Also, they suffered quite a few injuries themselves. I'm pretty sure their youth will improve whereas I won't make the same claim for our over 35 top line players.
- golfingsince

I would take Bo also over RNH .

Like I said Oilers have Jesus Hall Draisitl and then it drops off on forwards

Nurse and then it drops off on D

They have four very good pieces but they been at this building for a decade.


Jesus is a very good player but how long do you think it takes teams to figure out shut him down and shut down the team.

Yep and Duchene is in a different league than Barrie. He's a 1c and has already played for Team Canada in Sochi so let's not even say that Bo is in the same league as Duchene yet as much as I like Bo. Just saying that there's no way that we have a package good enough to trade for him unless it cripples our future.
- allsports

But who is paying the price ? Do you think Coyotes are giving up Strome ?

Yes I agree but I don't think they need an offensive type defenseman. They need some responsible puck movers. Their offense is more than enough.

Canucks aren't in a bad spot either but they are just more balanced then the Oilers are. Not strong offensively but their defense paired with future goaltending looks brighter. If we found a few more forwards between this year and next year then I don't see us being that fat apart from them. Biggest difference is that young franchise suprestart in McDavid and while that may seem huge, if they don't learn to back check more effectively they are still going to struggle.

If they go after Subban I think they will be disappointed. That guy creates more turnovers then McDonald's goes through employees.
- WhatTheNuck

Brossoit is a solid G prospect. They also have some nice young defenders in Edmonton, they just don't have any guys in the elite category ( neither do we ). The offensive difference is huge though.

I agree with you though, they really just need their D to transition the puck up ice well.....their forwards are that gifted.

Was just looking at the CBJ roster.... they could really be screwed if expansion happens. If you're forced to keep all players with no movement clauses they'll be stuck with guys like Dubinsky, Foligno, Hartnell and Clarkson as mandatory players to keep. I can see why they might want to float the 3rd overall pick in attempt to get rid of at least 1 or 2 of those contracts.

But who is paying the price ? Do you think Coyotes are giving up Strome ?
- VANTEL

I'm not saying that it will be Ari including Stroke but I think it would have to be Dominican as a starter plus plus even then I don't think it would work. That's why thithinkit's too tough to trade, not impossible but has to be an impact player now and probably picks back. Maybe Tampa trades with them.