Who is our top 6 next year?
- VANTEL

So let me get this straight, since you obviously want me to say that it's uncertain, that shows they are a playoff team?

At best they get into the playoffs and get bounced. And that's if they use their cap and sign an impact Ufa who pans out.

So at best the cap us used up, the team has either high priced ufas or less prospects that they gave up to get win now players.

That is what you want. That is what I fear..

As is comparing Dillon to Guddy
- VANTEL

Their deployment was very similar, they play the same role. I know you'd like Gudbranson to be better, but you're wrong once again.

Edit: I actually recall you singing Dillon's praises wanting a big physical dman like him, well they got one, but it's Gudbranson not Dillion.

So let me get this straight, since you obviously want me to say that it's uncertain, that shows they are a playoff team?

At best they get into the playoffs and get bounced. And that's if they use their cap and sign an impact Ufa who pans out.

So at best the cap us used up, the team has either high priced ufas or less prospects that they gave up to get win now players.

That is what you want. That is what I fear..
- RealityChecker

Are you suggesting play Cap Space in top 6 ? I hear he is good.

You have no idea how this team is going to look next year so you predicting they wont make it is just as dumb as me predicting it will.

I do know a lot of change is happening right now and lets see our roster in September before you say it will or wont be a playoff team

Are you suggesting play Cap Space in top 6 ? I hear he is good.

You have no idea how this team is going to look next year so you predicting they wont make it is just as dumb as me predicting it will.

I do know a lot of change is happening right now and lets see our roster in September before you say it will or wont be a playoff team
- VANTEL

It's not a playoff team.

It's not a playoff team.
- RealityChecker

It is a playoff team


Who to believe?

No, that's childish, their numbers are nothing alike. Unlike Dillion and Gudbranson. And I'm not talking about their goals and assists.

Their deployment is very similar, do you know how to look that stuff up?
- LeftCoaster

Is it though? Dillon AAV isn't as high. He's not been playing top-4 for the past two seasons. They're both big and intimidating. They both pk. I'll give you both things there, but EG is already the better and more deployed player. Just look at how each has been deployed in the playoffs and you'll see two very different players. EG was deployed similarily to Vlasic, not that I'm saying he's that good yet.

It is a playoff team


Who to believe?
- VANTEL

Im looking forward to reading how you always said they wouldn't make the playoffs.

Why is he suddenly "premier"? Because he wears a Vancouver sweater?

My opinion is he's a #4 guy, I like him, but he's a #4 guy until he proves otherwise.
- LeftCoaster

Top 4 dman are "depth guys?" Interesting

It is a playoff team


Who to believe?
- VANTEL

We did finish bottom 5. It seems much more likely we miss the playoffs than make them after a season like that, no?

Is it though? Dillon AAV isn't as high. He's not been playing top-4 for the past two seasons. They're both big and intimidating. They both pk. I'll give you both things there, but EG is already the better and more deployed player. Just look at how each has been deployed in the playoffs and you'll see two very different players. EG was deployed similarily to Vlasic, not that I'm saying he's that good yet.
- neem55

Because SJ defence is far superior to Florida's, Dillion doesn't need to play above his head.

Listen I like Gudbranson, but if he's better than Dillon, it's marginal.

Dumping Tyutin isn't worth that much. Especially when you have to take Sbisa back.
- RonPielep

Save a Milliken per for 2 years and 4.5 million for an additional 2, pretty big savings for a bottom pairing

I watched a few of the panther games and gubber was often stuck with Campbell who is an absolute nightmare in his own end and gubber's numbers suffered as a result.

I think him and hutton have a chance to be a fantastic combo.... at least hutton knows where his own is, unlike campbell
- Mungo

He had very solid numbers with Campbell...it was Mitchell that dragged his numbers down. Every time EG was away from Mitchell he had sold possession stats

Im looking forward to hearing how you always said they wouldn't make the playoffs.
- RealityChecker

The GM says they will make the playoffs and has already made one big trade and some smaller moves without the summer even beginning yet .

But some random guy named Reality Checker who has who knows what experience in building NHL clubs says they wont , who do you think I am going to believe. Some internet guy or the guy who can actually make trades?

It's an awful comparison, Dillon doesn't have nearly as much experience and is currently simply not a top-4 defender. Both players have upside and are first round picks, that's about where the comparison ends IMO
- neem55

I don't think Dillon was drafted.

Top 4 dman are "depth guys?" Interesting
- CanuckDon

No....#4/5 dmen are depth guys considering you dress 6 or 7 dmen. But nice of you to try and generalize with "top four dmen".

We did finish bottom 5. It seems much more likely we miss the playoffs than make them after a season like that, no?
- neem55

You never thought the roster they were playing was not a little suspect?

The GM says they will make the playoffs and has already made one big trade and some smaller moves without the summer even beginning yet .

But some random guy named Reality Checker who has who knows what experience in building NHL clubs says they wont , who do you think I am going to believe. Some internet guy or the guy who can actually make trades?
- VANTEL

Because SJ defence is far superior to Florida's, Dillion doesn't need to play above his head.

Listen I like Gudbranson, but if he's better than Dillon, it's marginal.
- LeftCoaster

Again, it's a moot point to suggest San Jose's d is better, as statistically they didn't allow more goals so there's not much ground for you to stand on there, I think there top 6 is much better, but also better than most teams really when healthy.
Dillon is not a comprably player because he plays less. That's the point. You cant compare a guy who playts regular top 4 minutes to a bottom pair and occasional top-4 fill-in guy, this is not a marginal difference in deployment or icetime.

- RealityChecker

Living breathing gif poster. You always resort to that

Their deployment was very similar, they play the same role. I know you'd like Gudbranson to be better, but you're wrong once again.

Edit: I actually recall you singing Dillon's praises wanting a big physical dman like him, well they got one, but it's Gudbranson not Dillion.
- LeftCoaster

So you would consider trading EG for Dillon?

He had very solid numbers with Campbell...it was Mitchell that dragged his numbers down. Every time EG was away from Mitchell he had sold possession stats
- CanuckDon

left coaster eluded to this, but i'm guessing Mitchell and EG would be matched up against the other teams top lines and starting in their own end and when he played with Campbell it was probably the opposite.

i'm not a fancy stats guy, but from seeing games live I think canuck fans will be happy with what gubber brings to the table.

Living breathing gif poster. You always resort to that
- VANTEL

Try reading it. You may learn something

No....#4/5 dmen are depth guys considering you dress 6 or 7 dmen. But nice of you to try and generalize with "top four dmen".


- LeftCoaster

Gudbrandson is the teams top 3 not bottom 3

No....#4/5 dmen are depth guys considering you dress 6 or 7 dmen. But nice of you to try and generalize with "top four dmen".


- LeftCoaster

I'd say a number 7/8 dman are depth players. No 3/4 dmen are pretty critical to a team. EG will likely play 22 minutes a night while he Sedins will play 16/17

You never thought the roster they were playing was not a little suspect?
- VANTEL

I think it will be suspect next year too, full of young guys going through growing pains as it should be. They weren't a very healthy team and we could certainly do better than bottom 5, but playoffs is quite a jump. were still deploying 16 or so of those same guys that nose dived at the end of last year at least.