I'm not sure about that logic, maybe if you don't have a good goalie you can't win?

How many backup goalies win the conn smythe?

It is all apples and oranges anyway. I don't really care who wins.
- hillbillydeluxe

Yeah, it's a team game, the Conn Smythe doesn't matter it's the Stanley Cup that matters.

Don't know how it could be anyone but Matt Murray.

Crosby or Kessel? wtf. Crosby has 2 secondary assists in the finals. How could that be a conn smythe winner?

He will probably now score the gwg tonight and win it, just like how he fluked out in the Olympics and got his first point in ot against the US.
- Scooby_Doo

If Murray had been playing like this all season, then i would consider giving him the nod.
I guess i just don't like the idea of giving a hot goalie so much credit (although i recognise the importance). Crosby has played well, is the captain literally and figuratively that drives that ship.
There were other hot goalies that would probably be contenders for the Conn Smythe (TB, SJS, Wash) but they didn't make it to the finals...i give Sid the credit for that, along with the rest of the team, not just Murray.

Apparently.

That and Yost doing some fuzzy math.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Yost's analysis was tragic at best.....great writer but his bias shows on occasion....

I don't care that he hasn't scored in the Final. He has been playing a complete game and I've been impressed that we haven't seen him crying to the referees like he has been known to do in the past.

So if I'm reading this correctly Carol, you think Crosby should win the Conn Smythe because he hasn't cried for the whole playoffs?
- we_are_all_canucks

Tough crowd today, indeed, but that's cool. Based on the comments from yesterday, I figured I'd get some pushback.

We know that when he's healthy, Crosby is one of the best in the world. I brought up the lack of crying because it's a change—a flaw that he seems to have overcome. I love seeing growth, especially from players who don't have a whole lot of room for improvement.

Murray has, for the most part, been very good. But he didn't play Pittsburgh's first two games against the Rangers due to injury and he did get the hook for Fleury during the Tampa Bay series, so he hasn't been perfect.

But maybe we're all wrong. Kessel's leading the poll. Wouldn't that be something?

As Scooby said, another golden goal from Crosby tonight should make an MVP selection more palatable to the non-believers. I believe votes need to be in by the end of the second period.

And yes—if the Sharks win tonight, the conversation changes considerably. I won't do a poll that includes Sharks players unless (until?) they force Game 7.

If Murray had been playing like this all season, then i would consider giving him the nod.
I guess i just don't like the idea of giving a hot goalie so much credit (although i recognise the importance). Crosby has played well, is the captain literally and figuratively that drives that ship.
There were other hot goalies that would probably be contenders for the Conn Smythe (TB, SJS, Wash) but they didn't make it to the finals...i give Sid the credit for that, along with the rest of the team, not just Murray.
- dbot

How can you give Crosby credit on one hand, but negate the fact that without Murray, Pittsburg doesn't get out of the 2nd round, let alone into the Finals? Crosby really only was good for the TB series while Murray's been consistently good throughout the playoffs. I never like players winning the CS when they've only had one really outstanding series, whether it's been in the first, second, conference or SCF. It's supposed to be who's been most valuable throughout the playoffs, that, to me is Murray hands down.

Tough crowd today, indeed, but that's cool. Based on the comments from yesterday, I figured I'd get some pushback.

We know that when he's healthy, Crosby is one of the best in the world. I brought up the lack of crying because it's a change—a flaw that he seems to have overcome. I love seeing growth, especially from players who don't have a whole lot of room for improvement.

Murray has, for the most part, been very good. But he didn't play Pittsburgh's first two games against the Rangers due to injury and he did get the hook for Fleury during the Tampa Bay series, so he hasn't been perfect.

But maybe we're all wrong. Kessel's leading the poll. Wouldn't that be something?

As Scooby said, another golden goal from Crosby tonight should make an MVP selection more palatable to the non-believers. I believe votes need to be in by the end of the second period.

And yes—if the Sharks win tonight, the conversation changes considerably. I won't do a poll that includes Sharks players unless (until?) they force Game 7.
- Carol Schram

A lot of analysis by those within the sport really like Crosby's game despite the lack of offence. I know we all like to look at numbers and use that as our measuring stick but sometimes that isnt always representative of the MVP's body of work....

McKenzie...... Benning is "not looking to move (No. 5) pick", but is listening. Moving down for player, second-round pick possible, not probable. #Canucks

TSN and Sportsnet are hiring...
- hillbillydeluxe

Done

Yeah, it's a team game, the Conn Smythe doesn't matter it's the Stanley Cup that matters.
- A_SteamingLombardi

McKenzie...... Benning is "not looking to move (No. 5) pick", but is listening. Moving down for player, second-round pick possible, not probable. #Canucks
- MaWLz

This is so obvious it hurts. Don't let those clown son 1040 actually make you believe otherwise. Pratt would kick his mother off of a cliff for ratings....

Sorry ASL.

Just listened to this and thought it was interesting.
https://soundcloud.com/ts...not-be-sold-on-puljujarvi

To Paraphrase;
Bob McKenzie says of Columbus, Edmonton, and Vancouver (3,4,5 in draft), the Blue Jackets may be the most likely to move picks. Bob says the feeling is that Columbus isn’t sold on Jesse Puljujarvi and would prefer a centre – either Logan Brown or Clayton Keller. Bob says the Canucks are willing to listen if another team wants to discuss the 5th overall pick, but he gets the sense Jim Benning isn't actively shopping it.

Sorry ASL.

Just listened to this and thought it was interesting.
https://soundcloud.com/ts...not-be-sold-on-puljujarvi

To Paraphrase;
Bob McKenzie says of Columbus, Edmonton, and Vancouver (3,4,5 in draft), the Blue Jackets may be the most likely to move picks. Bob says the feeling is that Columbus isn’t sold on Jesse Puljujarvi and would prefer a centre – either Logan Brown or Clayton Keller. Bob says the Canucks are willing to listen if another team wants to discuss the 5th overall pick, but he gets the sense Jim Benning isn't actively shopping it.
- belcherbd

I wonder how JB feels about Puljujarvi? Would cost an arm and a leg to jump up to #3.

How can you give Crosby credit on one hand, but negate the fact that without Murray, Pittsburg doesn't get out of the 2nd round, let alone into the Finals? Crosby really only was good for the TB series while Murray's been consistently good throughout the playoffs. I never like players winning the CS when they've only had one really outstanding series, whether it's been in the first, second, conference or SCF. It's supposed to be who's been most valuable throughout the playoffs, that, to me is Murray hands down.
- DariusKnight

better give it to kessel then.

I wonder how JB feels about Puljujarvi? Would cost an arm and a leg to jump up to #3.
- dbot

probably just have to help their cap situation out a bit.

How can you give Crosby credit on one hand, but negate the fact that without Murray, Pittsburg doesn't get out of the 2nd round, let alone into the Finals? Crosby really only was good for the TB series while Murray's been consistently good throughout the playoffs. I never like players winning the CS when they've only had one really outstanding series, whether it's been in the first, second, conference or SCF. It's supposed to be who's been most valuable throughout the playoffs, that, to me is Murray hands down.
- DariusKnight

Now that I think about it they'll give it to Crosby because he may never get another chance to win the Conn Smythe, how can they talk about Crosby with Gretzky and Mario if he's never won a Conn Smythe? the PHWA has to justify their throating of Crosby.

probably just have to help their cap situation out a bit.
- manvanfan

and they want their 2nd

and they want their 2nd
- hillbillydeluxe

I think you mean Benning would throw it in. It's not really moving up enough in terms of skill level to warrant anything else honestly.

I wonder how JB feels about Puljujarvi? Would cost an arm and a leg to jump up to #3.
- dbot

Why? If it's well known that CBJ covets a C than why would it cost an arm and a leg for EDM or VAN to move up one or two spots? I don't see a lot of leverage unless CBJ is indifferent about landing Dubois as opposed to someone like Keller/Brown/Jost. If that were true than CBJ could shop #3 throughout the top 10 and potentially start a little bidding war for teams to move up at which point I think it might cost a decent amount.

I wonder how JB feels about Puljujarvi? Would cost an arm and a leg to jump up to #3.
- dbot

I think we would need to include their 2nd that we own as well as a scenario where we clear some significant cap.

Tyutin and 3 for Hansen 5 and 2nd round pick ?

I think we would need to include their 2nd that we own as well as a scenario where we clear some significant cap.

Tyutin and 3 for Hansen 5 and 2nd round pick ?
- belcherbd

ARE YOU NUTS!!!!

Your helping a team get out of cap hell. You don't help them out. You fleece them the same way the islanders did for boychuk and dallas did for sharp.

Why? If it's well known that CBJ covets a C than why would it cost an arm and a leg for EDM or VAN to move up one or two spots? I don't see a lot of leverage unless CBJ is indifferent about landing Dubois as opposed to someone like Keller/Brown/Jost. If that were true than CBJ could shop #3 throughout the top 10 and potentially start a little bidding war for teams to move up at which point I think it might cost a decent amount.
- RonPielep

If they are really high on a C like Keller or Brown would they risk moving the 3OA and pick say 7 but lose out on the player they want?

I agree that they can likely get more from a team picking in 6-10 spots but it also comes with more risk they don't get the player they covet.

ARE YOU NUTS!!!!

Your helping a team get out of cap hell. You don't help them out. You fleece them the same way the islanders did for boychuk and dallas did for sharp.
- manvanfan

No idea if it is worth it, but I think that would be close to the cost in our position.

No idea if it is worth it, but I think that would be close to the cost in our position.
- belcherbd

Van isn't in a position, Columbus is. They are the one with the cap problem. It's the same as when a team takes on a bad contract, you get a pick or prospect with it. If they are including tuytin then them trading down 2 spots is that extra pick or prospect they should be including.

I take it you're not a fan of the Gunbrndson deal?
- neem55

No actually dont hate that one, but thats the only one. I would have liked it alot more if he hadnt been dealing 2nd rounders the last couple years. The prospect depth just keeps getting worse and worse.

I still would have liked the full rebuild and think what the canucks are doing is a massive mistake by trying to speed things up shipping out all of our picks.

If they are really high on a C like Keller or Brown would they risk moving the 3OA and pick say 7 but lose out on the player they want?

I agree that they can likely get more from a team picking in 6-10 spots but it also comes with more risk they don't get the player they covet.
- belcherbd

This is why the percentages that CS posted on where guys would be available is interesting

we see consensus rankings but if you are picking a few spots ahead of where a guy is ranked, why not just take the guy you want instead of trading down and risking another club picking that player ahead of what was predicted?