He hasn't done anything wrong... everything he has done is completely within the rules of the CBA... so how is someone who plays by the rules a scumbag? That's just an ignorant thing to say.

OMG HE IS CHOOSING WHERE HE WANTS TO PLAY?!? THE BALLS ON THIS KID OMG.

If you don't think any of the draftees would like to choose where they play, then you are foolish. It just doesn't work out that way for 99% of them. With Vesey being drafted, and then playing out the rest of his career in the NCAA, it just happened to work out for him that THE RULES SAY he can become a free agent after a certain date, and sign with any team. If you think someone is a scumbag for that, then you have awfully low standards for what it takes to be a scumbag.
- mixturebill

Like I said - I know he hasn't done anything wrong (and that's why I stated it in my last post) but its more about the way he's handling it reminds me of the Lindros syndrome of entitlement before even playing a game in the NHL. Kane, Parise, Quick, Kesler, Gaudreau - these guys could've kicked up a stink about where they went but they didn't - why? cus they they're classy and they knew they lucky to make it, let alone choose where or be guaranteed top 6 minutes - all these players showed loyalty and knew they would have to work for it - and that's the difference between the 99% and this this kid. I know he's within the rules, but its unwritten its like ratting out a friend - there's a reason why he's in the 1% = scumbag

I don't understand why anyone if offering this kid anything when he hasn't proven SH*T!!! It baffles me.

He has stated he would like to stay in the Northeast, so I don't see him going to a West Coast team.

Also, even though he is a cheap contract, from what I understand with bonuses he could make north of 3M in his first year. I think that is all you guys have in space, so something would have to go in order to even take him on I think. Either way with Panarin becoming a free agent next year, I'd imagine you guys wouldn't want to go that close to the cap ceiling. Not sure of the exact rules of it all or the max contract so if this is wrong I apologize and resort to the Northeast reasoning only, but I just don't see it being them unelss they are ready to see Panarin walk next year (no way that happens).
- RhinoFan

Yup, all true. Mentioned it in another post. Not a cap mgmt cakewalk. Another higher priced cap hit would likely have to go. Cuz the cap ain't gonna shoot up to $80M in 17-18.

- mixturebill

dude, that's awesome...whoever did it, nice work

Plus the $1.125M Scuderi RSA, which comes off the books after '17.
- blackhawk24

just sayin'

Vesey

Crosby, Ovie etc........ They have to be saying this kid has not play 1 NHL game!

Vesey is putting more pressure on himself each day he does not sign, he needs to just sign somewhere and stop the circus. GMTM needs to move on here soon with 28, 63 if things don't change?

Lindros ........part II

He signs this week I'm good, if not - trade his rights and move on!

what about the hawks?
- rinaldo

I don't think competing immediately matters. He had a chance to go on a playoff run with Nashville.

Location and situation. Same with the new #1 center for the Toronto Maple Leafs Steven Stamkos

Vesey

Crosby, Ovie etc........ They have to be saying this kid has not play 1 NHL game!

Vesey is putting more pressure on himself each day he does not sign, he needs to just sign somewhere and stop the circus. GMTM needs to move on here soon with 28, 63 if things don't change?

Lindros ........

He signs this week I'm good, if not - trade his rights and move on!
- Irish 14

Yup....For the next six weeks, that only someplace is BUF, unless they found out he won't sign there. Then it's a wasted third round pick and BUF then has to recoup that by dealing his rights elsewhere.

For the next six weeks, that only someplace is BUF, unless they found out he won't sign there. Then it's a wasted third roumd pick and BUF then has to recoup that by dealing his rights elsewhere.
- blackhawk24

fyi, the sabres had four 3rd-round picks heading into the draft (originally they had five--the league took one and gave it to Pittsburgh for the sabres hiring Bylsma, a coach the pens fired)...one of them was used on Vesey the other was a part of the Dmitri kulikov trade...they still had two remaining and will have two more next year...in all the sabres have 26 forward prospects in the system and five picks in the first three rounds of the draft next year

Is it bad I really enjoy the Falk signing? I know hes not the answer but im a fan of this kid. Anyways, Vesey should do his plan of getting to August 15th and see his options. Losing a third round pick when we have so many doesnt concern me. im glad we didnt throw money at Okposo like we would've with stammer. Id love to see GMTM pull a Taylor Hall move, maybe Bogosian?

fyi, the sabres had four 3rd-round picks heading into the draft (originally they had five--the league took one and gave it to Pittsburgh for the sabres hiring Bylsma, a coach the pens fired)...one of them was used on Vesey the other was a part of the Dmitri kulikov trade...they still had two remaining and will have two more next year...in all the sabres have 26 forward prospects in the system and five picks in the first three rounds of the draft next year
- Michael Pachla

If we get Vesey or not, I am glad that Murray offered a 3rd round pick to try and land him. Too many GM's are timid and wouldn't make that move. Darcy sure wouldn't have. It's nice to have a GM that is aggressively trying to improve his team quickly vs the 10-year rebuild - re: see Oilers.

Regarding Vesey, I think he would be nuts not to go with the Sabres for all of the reasons that Pach points out. Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me if he picks Boston. He does seem like a Momma's boy and perhaps he wants to sleep in his childhood bed and look at the Bobby Orr poster on his wall while playing for the Bruins.

Yup....For the next six weeks, that only someplace is BUF, unless they found out he won't sign there. Then it's a wasted third round pick and BUF then has to recoup that by dealing his rights elsewhere.
- blackhawk24

Don't get me wrong! Love the gamble by TM, worth a shot. Eichel most likely said trade for his rights, he will come here. Now, the only thing I'm holding out hope for is they all didn't want to have it look like tampering?

GMTM has balls the size of mine.......HUGE!

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Like I said - I know he hasn't done anything wrong (and that's why I stated it in my last post) but its more about the way he's handling it reminds me of the Lindros syndrome of entitlement before even playing a game in the NHL. Kane, Parise, Quick, Kesler, Gaudreau - these guys could've kicked up a stink about where they went but they didn't - why? cus they they're classy and they knew they lucky to make it, let alone choose where or be guaranteed top 6 minutes - all these players showed loyalty and knew they would have to work for it - and that's the difference between the 99% and this this kid. I know he's within the rules, but its unwritten its like ratting out a friend - there's a reason why he's in the 1% = scumbag

I don't understand why anyone if offering this kid anything when he hasn't proven SH*T!!! It baffles me.
- Brooks_Light

The biggest problem here is that you're thinking this is anything close to the Lindros situation, but it's nowhere near being the same thing... you're comparing apples to oranges.

Lindros was drafted and just flat out said, I'm not playing for that team. Vesey was drafted, played out his NCAA career, and was months away from becoming a free agent.

Do you think Stamkos was a scumbag for not signing in Tampa right away, and waiting for as long as he did? Because that's a lot closer to what Vesey is doing than the Lindros situation.

Him and Kane will probably get along just fine in Buff.

I don't know about this kid fellas - to me he kinda has scumbag written all over him.

First he passed down a guarantee to play top 6 minutes with Forsberg, Neal, Johansen. And now Buff go out of their way to get his rights and throw away a draft pick to show how bad they want him and he still isn't satisfied?

Personally, I think the Sabres are a better fit with more upside for the future but he still wants to explore what else is out there??? The balls on this kid.....he hasn't proven SH&T at the NHL level!!! Now I know he has the right to take this route but it just feels like his burning bridges out of the gate.

Just because he's a Hobey baker winner doesn't mean that success is gonna translate to the pro level. Check out the last 10 winners and see where they ended up.
- Brooks_Light

The biggest problem here is that you're thinking this is anything close to the Lindros situation, but it's nowhere near being the same thing... you're comparing apples to oranges.

Lindros was drafted and just flat out said, I'm not playing for that team. Vesey was drafted, played out his NCAA career, and was months away from becoming a free agent.

Do you think Stamkos was a scumbag for not signing in Tampa right away, and waiting for as long as he did? Because that's a lot closer to what Vesey is doing than the Lindros situation.
- mixturebill

first off, there's no problem on my end, the issue is you only address parts of my comments and not the whole thing - so to reiterate, I said it "reminds me of the Lindros sense of entitlement situation" - I didnt say they were drafted the same way - that's why i used the Kane, Parise, Quick analogy but you seemed to just totally ignore and skip over that - all the REAL points I make, you avoid. Why don't comment on the loyalty point or why you think deserves top minutes without having any NHL experience?? ALSO, why are you defending this guy?? I'm guessing cus he's your son?

and BTW the Stamkos situation was stupid on both ends (and unlike this situation) - It shouldn't have taken Yzerman that long to sign him (pony up and make your franchise player an offer he won't refuse a year ago) AND Steven shouldn't have waited till the 2nd last day either - if hes gonna drag out his indecisiveness that long why not just go to FA route and see what other teams are offering. Both sides handled it poorly.

see, that's how to answer someone fully

Him and Kane will probably get along just fine in Buff.
- mailman

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not sure he'd get along with marchand, seems like an angry little guy

https://vine.co/v/ihId7LZKx9v

not sure he'd get along with marchand, seems like an angry little guy
- RhinoFan

I don't think competing immediately matters. He had a chance to go on a playoff run with Nashville.

Location and situation. Same with the new #1 center for the Toronto Maple Leafs Steven Stamkos
- sbroads24

Of course competing matters.
If the hawks come calling and can offer a top 6 role.....he'll be going there.
As of now, there is no room for him on the Leafs....unless they make a trade.

Happy 4th. Be safe.

The move by the Sabres to trade for his negotiating rights was a good one I think. Just not sure I would view him as some autmoatic top 3-6 forward that you plug in for a decade and he scores 20-30 every year...tougher with college players usually. That said he sure looks the part.

Will be hard for him to resist going to Boston.
- jjonah

I think the perceived allure of wanting to play for your home town team is greatly over exaggerated for NHL rookies.

I mean, would you rather stick around home as a 22yr old making almost $1M, or would you want to have new experiences in new cities/countries?

I think that pull actually gets stronger for guys later on in their careers...at least that kind of seems to be the trend.

I'm not saying that Buffalo IS going to land him, but more that I'd be surprised if Boston DOES. Especially when considering that the B's are treading water or even regressing when compared to Atlantic teams like Fla and TB that are about to peak and remain cup competitive, and then the up and coming teams like Buff and TO that have very bright futures.

Of course competing matters.
If the hawks come calling and can offer a top 6 role.....he'll be going there.
As of now, there is no room for him on the Leafs....unless they make a trade.

Happy 4th. Be safe.
- Fakepartofme

I doubt he goes to Chicago. He'd basically be saying he would like to be traded by the time his ELC is up. This time having no say in where he goes

Happy 4th everyone ! My day was just made in the Warriors picking up Durant.

Of course the league hasn't received Lebron's OK on the deal yet so I'm still holding my breath ............

I doubt he goes to Chicago. He'd basically be saying he would like to be traded by the time his ELC is up. This time having no say in where he goes
- sbroads24

With the ELC's at his age they can't do NMC or NTC? Serious question.

With the ELC's at his age they can't do NMC or NTC? Serious question.
- RhinoFan

I don't think so. I think the contract is standard. The only other thing the Sabres can do are bonuses.

And by the way, I believe 0 words of what any GM, agent, player says until it actually happens. Marc Bergevin said they weren't close to a Subban deal, then after he was traded admitted the idea of a Weber/Subban deal came up around the same time he said they weren't close.

Of course competing matters.
If the hawks come calling and can offer a top 6 role.....he'll be going there.
As of now, there is no room for him on the Leafs....unless they make a trade.

Happy 4th. Be safe.
- Fakepartofme

You don't have to tell us, there is never any room for talented hockey players in TO.
Matt Barnaby predicted Chicago will land Vesey.
There is no tampering when you own a player's rights. Now if he signs quickly with a team on August 15th other than Buffalo, I believe I would be looking into how that team was able to approach him.
Vesey would have been a top 10 pick in this years draft, maybe even at 8 by Buffalo, because Eichel would have been in Murray's ear the same we hope he is in Vesey's ear now.
I think if Vesey has a lick of sense, He starts in Buffalo and after 2 years if things aren't going the way he hoped then he can move on and try somewhere else. I can't find a better situation for him to embark on his career, Buffalo fans wouldn't be as hard on him if he starts slow as other markets might be, we have a spot for him, gets to play with either Eichel or O'Reilly, win, win
p.s. I am a Homer

Happy 4th everyone. Especially to my fellow Marines and Members of the Armed Forces.

I like the gamble GMTM took. 3rd rounder to be in his ear for weeks prior to everyone else. Good asset management, I think.

I have always been a Nash fan. Would like him here at the right price. If at the expense of 9,63..ok. I also like 28, who needs some seasoning. Prefer to keep him for a bit.

"We" are moving in the right direction. I'm happy.

Here's the thing about Vesey...

Now nobody knows exactly what is going on his head. Nobody knows what he is looking for. Sure we can guess that he wants to play in Boston his hometown, play with his buddy Eichel, or play in the organization that his dad works for not to mention his brother was drafted by. The only thing we really only "know" is he wants the best chance to play and prove himself for his next contract. So we assume he wants at top 6 role.

So out with the old core of Vanek, Stafford, Roy and Miller.

In with the new core of Eichel, Risto, O'Reilly, Okposo and Reinhart.

All I am saying is Buffalo is a good place for any young player that wants to play with an up and coming Super Star. They have an owner with deep pockets that can pay him his next contract unlike Chicago, LA, and NYR...

It beats having to play with Peters...twice.