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dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jul 14 @ 11:44 PM ET
Linden was traded out of Vancouver, and his legacy is unfettered... Maybe the Sedins should waive in the same manner.. to come back in a similar role after retirement! What could we get for them... (kind of sort of kinda sarcastic maybe)
- VIRTBOHUT


Hard to say at this stage, as it would depend on so many factors to line up.
But if you imagine that the Sedins are still performing at a similar, high end clip...
and you imagine that the season is in the crapper and we are dumping players at the TDL...
and there is a team out there with some a really strong 1st line, and injuries or whatever result in them needing some top 6 scoring support (kinda like Florida was this year or TBL or Dallas...

i'd say you could ask for two 1st's, 2 blue chip prospects and a salary dump or two.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jul 14 @ 11:47 PM ET
Why are you throwing in players like Burrows and Gaunce? No one wants them and it's really unrealistic.

Right now, I wouldn't trade any of those three kids. Because the team isn't in a position to win with Landeskog in the lineup, I mean win a Cup. You're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Virtanen and Boeser could turn into Landeskog very shortly....have patience and build from within.

- LeftCoaster


So...you wouldn't trade JV for Landeskog because JV could become Landeskog?

I wouldn't do all 3 for him, but would do any one of em. I added Gaunce as a prospect and Burrows for salary, and well, he's french.

Landy is 23, big and scores about 25 g and 35 a in past 3 years. Sign me up!
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LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 14 @ 11:56 PM ET
So...you wouldn't trade JV for Landeskog because JV could become Landeskog?

I wouldn't do all 3 for him, but would do any one of em. I added Gaunce as a prospect and Burrows for salary, and well, he's french.

Landy is 23, big and scores about 25 g and 35 a in past 3 years. Sign me up!
s

- dbot

That's correct! Because trading youth when you're not in a position to win is ridiculous. How did trading two 1st's and a 2nd work out for Toronto in the Kessel deal?

You're not getting Landeskog for anything less than a 1st round pick, Virtanen and another prospect...at this point in the clubs rebuild that's just simply stupid.

The team has so many question marks and holes yet to fill I don't know where to start. Benning wouldn't do it, I guarantee it.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jul 14 @ 11:58 PM ET
That's correct! Because trading youth when you're not in a position to win is ridiculous. How did trading two 1st's and a 2nd work out for Toronto in the Kessel deal?

You're not getting Landeskog for anything less than a 1st round pick, Virtanen and another prospect...at this point in the clubs rebuild that's just simply stupid.

The team has so many question marks and holes yet to fill I don't know where to start. Benning wouldn't do it, I guarantee it.

- LeftCoaster

We are gonna win this season you watch.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 14 @ 11:58 PM ET
So...you wouldn't trade JV for Landeskog because JV could become Landeskog?

I wouldn't do all 3 for him, but would do any one of em. I added Gaunce as a prospect and Burrows for salary, and well, he's french.

Landy is 23, big and scores about 25 g and 35 a in past 3 years. Sign me up!
s

- dbot



I think a future line of Landy Bo and Boeser would be more effective than JV Bo and Boeser

JV and 2017 first ( 17 th overall)
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jul 15 @ 12:00 AM ET
That's correct! Because trading youth when you're not in a position to win is ridiculous. How did trading two 1st's and a 2nd work out for Toronto in the Kessel deal?

You're not getting Landeskog for anything less than a 1st round pick, Virtanen and another prospect...at this point in the clubs rebuild that's just simply stupid.

The team has so many question marks and holes yet to fill I don't know where to start. Benning wouldn't do it, I guarantee it.

- LeftCoaster


I agree with this, to a point.
i'm not advocating trading JV for a 30 year old (or a 1 dimensional overweight Kessel), but for a proven 23 yr old PWF, i definitely would.

I also wouldn't pay what you're suggesting and agree that we can't afford him, but in fantasy land, i would be comfortable with my offer.

edit. or Vantel's offer.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 15 @ 12:00 AM ET
That's correct! Because trading youth when you're not in a position to win is ridiculous. How did trading two 1st's and a 2nd work out for Toronto in the Kessel deal?

You're not getting Landeskog for anything less than a 1st round pick, Virtanen and another prospect...at this point in the clubs rebuild that's just simply stupid.

The team has so many question marks and holes yet to fill I don't know where to start. Benning wouldn't do it, I guarantee it.

- LeftCoaster

Boston traded Seguin Hamilton and Erikson . They didn't do any better
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jul 15 @ 12:00 AM ET
I think a future line of Landy Bo and Boeser would be more effective than JV Bo and Boeser

JV and 2017 first ( 17 th overall)

- VANTEL

Don't sell the farm. I keep JV over Landeskog.
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 15 @ 12:03 AM ET
We are gonna win this season you watch.
- thundachunk

don't start...they're not gonna win anything. But they'll be more competitive.

Trading for Landeskog is something you do when you've drafted and developed a core of players and you can now afford to divest in some picks and prospects. Like the Kings did when they acquired Richards and Carter. They had a good group but needed to get over the hump, the Canucks are not there by any stretch....yet.

The Canucks just started drafting well, they can't afford to trade anymore youth IMO.
thundachunk
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Jul 15 @ 12:06 AM ET
don't start...they're not gonna win anything. But they'll be more competitive.

Trading for Landeskog is something you do when you've drafted and developed a core of players and you can now afford to divest in some picks and prospects. Like the Kings did when they acquired Richards and Carter. They had a good group but needed to get over the hump, the Canucks are not there by any stretch....yet.

The Canucks just started drafting well, they can't afford to trade anymore youth IMO.

- LeftCoaster
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jul 15 @ 12:06 AM ET
where did all this Landeskog trade talk come from? Havent seen a single news item or rumor that suggested this.
Sounds like everyone is wasting their time on a trade idea with no basis
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jul 15 @ 12:11 AM ET
where did all this Landeskog trade talk come from? Havent seen a single news item or rumor that suggested this.
Sounds like everyone is wasting their time on a trade idea with no basis

- SMBDragon


The heck you say!


This whole site is based around the concept of wasting time!
It's what we do!!!
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 15 @ 12:11 AM ET
I agree with this, to a point.
i'm not advocating trading JV for a 30 year old (or a 1 dimensional overweight Kessel), but for a proven 23 yr old PWF, i definitely would.

I also wouldn't pay what you're suggesting and agree that we can't afford him, but in fantasy land, i would be comfortable with my offer.

edit. or Vantel's offer.

- dbot

It's a total pipe-dream, Colorado, who are ready to compete, would want to replace what he brings, they're not rebuilding. It doesn't benefit them in any way.

Trying to get a guy like Landy is a shortcut; draft and develop our own players. Benning should and would be fired for trading a 1st round pick when the team is so poopty.
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 15 @ 12:12 AM ET

- thundachunk

Oh they're real brother....don't kid yourself
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jul 15 @ 12:12 AM ET
where did all this Landeskog trade talk come from? Havent seen a single news item or rumor that suggested this.
Sounds like everyone is wasting their time on a trade idea with no basis

- SMBDragon

That would never happen here.
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 15 @ 12:13 AM ET
where did all this Landeskog trade talk come from? Havent seen a single news item or rumor that suggested this.
Sounds like everyone is wasting their time on a trade idea with no basis

- SMBDragon

I firmly believe it's from all the marijuana
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jul 15 @ 12:13 AM ET
It's a total pipe-dream, Colorado, who are ready to compete, would want to replace what he brings, they're not rebuilding. It doesn't benefit them in any way.

Trying to get a guy like Landy is a shortcut; draft and develop our own players. Benning should and would be fired for trading a 1st round pick when the team is so poopty.

- LeftCoaster


i guess we'll agree to disagree on that one then.
i'd be stoked, the team would be better and we'd add another Swede.

but you're right, it is a pipe dream. refer to the above post.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 15 @ 12:14 AM ET
It's a total pipe-dream, Colorado, who are ready to compete, would want to replace what he brings, they're not rebuilding. It doesn't benefit them in any way.

Trying to get a guy like Landy is a shortcut; draft and develop our own players. Benning should and would be fired for trading a 1st round pick when the team is so poopty.

- LeftCoaster

Canuck will try to make a big move while the twins are here. If they aren't going to try to win you may as well move them.

Whether you, I or anyone wants it or not, the man who pays the pay checks wants to win now.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jul 15 @ 12:16 AM ET
Oh they're real brother....don't kid yourself
- LeftCoaster

I do agree we are not in a position to be making a move like that at this point. I think Benning is trying to remain competitive and shelter the youth coming up. Making a push right now is not a smart move. I have no problem with adding a free agent piece like Erikssen but selling at the expense of our future should not and must not happen.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jul 15 @ 12:17 AM ET
i guess we'll agree to disagree on that one then.
i'd be stoked, the team would be better and we'd add another Swede.

but you're right, it is a pipe dream. refer to the above post.

- dbot

Team Sweden is not the answer.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jul 15 @ 12:19 AM ET
Canuck will try to make a big move while the twins are here. If they aren't going to try to win you may as well move them.

Whether you, I or anyone wants it or not, the man who pays the pay checks wants to win now.

- VANTEL

Trying to win is fine but trading JV for Landeskog only improves 1 position 2 years earlier. Also it take away the intangibles that JV already brings that GL doesn't.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 15 @ 12:22 AM ET
Trying to win is fine but trading JV for Landeskog only improves 1 position 2 years earlier. Also it take away the intangibles that JV already brings that GL doesn't.
- thundachunk

One is proven and now, the other is a future project.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jul 15 @ 12:30 AM ET
One is proven and now, the other is a future project.
- VANTEL

If this were to take place I feel it would be a mistake. If somehow the addition of GL brought us a Stanley cup I would be fine with it even if JV went on to have a HOF career in Colorado but at this time it wouldn't happen. I don't think that it would make that big of a difference adding him right now.
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 15 @ 12:32 AM ET
Canuck will try to make a big move while the twins are here. If they aren't going to try to win you may as well move them.

Whether you, I or anyone wants it or not, the man who pays the pay checks wants to win now.

- VANTEL

I seriously doubt it, they've stated they won't trade the core they're building, Bennng actually said "McCann has a chance to be a part of that" so he obviously had a deal in place or wasn't thrilled with him.

Regardless, I don't think Linden would allow Benning to trade anymore youth. To me, Linden is more on the rebuild train than Benning is, and he's Bennings boss.

I believe Aquilini wants to be more competitive, but he's not stupid, and Linden has his ear. Linden has said repeatedly it's gonna take some time to build.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Jul 15 @ 12:36 AM ET
Virtanen wasn't the guy I would have picked at the draft but as of now I really believe that when he gets it he could be the one of if not the most dominating power forward we ever had. I want players to be able to grow and I want to see their successes as well as failures just like Linden and the Sedins.
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