Toffoli is one of the best young wingers in the league. He's basically Brayden Schenn but better in every single way. Moving him would require a really really big piece, but he's probably untouchable. Plus, he's a RW. It's just not good asset management for us, even if it'd be cool. Now, someone who could be had for slightly less would be Pearson, a LW. After Doughty and Muzzin, their blueline is a mess. If there is a big swap going on both ways, they'd want one of MDZ/Gudas along with a goalie. And really, it's robbing Peter to pay Paul at that point. We can't afford to lose one of them.

Once Davy Jones Hakstol gets his act together, I'm very comfortable with Raffl-Cuz-Read as our 3rd line, and even PEB-Gordon-Weise as the 4th. Our top 6 is stacked. Adding a forward doesn't really make sense.
- Mononoke

dude MDZ/Gudas + Mason/Neuvirth for would be a steal we won't have one of gudas/MDZ in a few years anyway

I don't think MDZ + Neuvirth is going to get Toffoli. He's their best offensive player who isn't pushing 30.

But I agree that a UFA like MDZ has to be expendable if the offer is right. If they weren't expendable, they should be extended.

Toffoli is one of the best young wingers in the league. He's basically Brayden Schenn but better in every single way. Moving him would require a really really big piece, but he's probably untouchable. Plus, he's a RW. It's just not good asset management for us, even if it'd be cool. Now, someone who could be had for slightly less would be Pearson, a LW. After Doughty and Muzzin, their blueline is a mess. If there is a big swap going on both ways w/ multiple pieces, they'd want one of MDZ/Gudas along with a goalie. And really, it's robbing Peter to pay Paul at that point. We can't afford to lose one of them.

Once Davy Jones Hakstol gets his act together, I'm very comfortable with Raffl-Cuz-Read as our 3rd line, and even PEB-Gordon-Weise as the 4th. Our top 6 is stacked. Adding a forward doesn't really make sense.
- Mononoke

If they wanted Gudas + Neuvirth for Toffoli, I'd listen.

Edit: Of course, it means one of Jake/Simmer/Toffoli would have to move to LW.

I don't think MDZ + Neuvirth is going to get Toffoli. He's their best offensive player who isn't pushing 30.
- Feanor

That's why I floated maybe Pearson+1st (the Kings lineup is so top heavy it's ridiculous. I wouldn't be surprised if they fall hard this season). But we need MDZ right now more than we need another 2nd line winger. Our weakness isn't scoring or our top 6 or even our top 9 wingers. It's team defense. Makes no sense.

If they wanted Gudas + Neuvirth for Toffoli, I'd listen.
- jmatchett383

Would we trade someone like, say, 24 year old Wayne Simmonds for a top 4 d man and a backup goalie? Toffoli isn't the same player, but we're talking a young, elite play driving 30/60 guy.

Would we trade someone like, say, 24 year old Wayne Simmonds for a top 4 d man and a backup goalie? Toffoli isn't the same player, but we're talking a young, elite play driving 30/60 guy.
- Mononoke

No way. Which is why if they wanted what you proposed ("If there is a big swap going on both ways w/ multiple pieces, they'd want one of MDZ/Gudas along with a goalie."), I'd be hard pressed to say no.

Although I think Neuvirth could be an average starter, not a backup.

That's why I floated maybe Pearson+1st (the Kings lineup is so top heavy it's ridiculous. I wouldn't be surprised if they fall hard this season). But we need MDZ right now more than we need another 2nd line winger. Our weakness isn't scoring or our top 6 or even our top 9 wingers. It's team defense. Makes no sense.
- Mononoke

Eh, a lot of things can make sense if the GM has decided a player won't be re-signed and is willing to sacrifice some short term pain for what he hopes will be long term gain.

I'd rather be talking to Winnipeg about Trouba or any other club about acquiring a good RH Dman, rather than talking to LA about acquiring a winger that we don't need.

I'd rather be talking to Winnipeg about Trouba or any other club about acquiring a good RH Dman, rather than talking to LA about acquiring a winger that we don't need.
- BiggE

Winnipeg doesn't need a starting goalie. This is an LA-specific hole that needs to be filled.

lol, maybe
- Scoob

Winnipeg doesn't need a starting goalie. This is an LA-specific hole that needs to be filled for only 3 months.
- jmatchett383

ftfy

Would we trade someone like, say, 24 year old Wayne Simmonds for a top 4 d man and a backup goalie? Toffoli isn't the same player, but we're talking a young, elite play driving 30/60 guy.
- Mononoke

everyone on the Kings drives possession

edit: except wheels

Winnipeg doesn't need a starting goalie. This is an LA-specific hole that needs to be filled.
- jmatchett383

I hear you, but crappy start aside, I still think we are a playoff team so I wouldn't want to move either goalie right now for a winger unless the other team wants to massively overpay.

No need to expend any assets at this point either way. There will be other injuries and other teams looking to make deals as the season goes on. Besides looking at LA's roster and cap situation, I don't think they'd make a good trade partner for the Flyers anyway.

ftfy
- YuenglingJagr

They have no time to dilly-dally around, and they need a legit starter. If they're out of a playoff spot in 35 days they're nearly certain to not have a spot come April.

everyone on the Kings drives possession

edit: except wheels
- YuenglingJagr

He's especially good

They have no time to dilly-dally around, and they need a legit starter. If they're out of a playoff spot in 35 days they're nearly certain to not have a spot come April.
- Scoob

Theyd also have to pay them when quick returns

Theyd also have to pay them when quick returns
- YuenglingJagr

They're in quite the pickle, eh?

They're in quite the pickle, eh?
- Scoob

Yep...crazy how they had quick, bernier, and jones and now they are stuck without any of them

I think zatkoff is good enough that it's not worth giving up the farm

They're in quite the pickle, eh?
- Scoob

(frank) half sours

Geez, I'm out drinking all night and I'm here
- BiggE

I hear you, but crappy start aside, I still think we are a playoff team
- BiggE

someone needs to cut you off already

I'd rather be talking to Winnipeg about Trouba or any other club about acquiring a good RH Dman, rather than talking to LA about acquiring a winger that we don't need.
- BiggE

That costs you a lot more. They'd ask for Gostisbehere or Provorov.

3 games for Dale. I don't have an issue in a vacuum with it, but my god, the consistency issues with the DoPS is pathetic and deplorable.

3 games for Dale. I don't have an issue in a vacuum with it, but my god, the consistency issues with the DoPS is pathetic and deplorable.
- Mononoke

- PhillySportsGuy

2Real has affected me in ways I don't yet understand

3 games for Dale. I don't have an issue in a vacuum with it, but my god, the consistency issues with the DoPS is pathetic and deplorable.
- Mononoke

The unbelievable inconsistency of DoPs is truly breathtaking.