you are right. I forgot about that.

Which is unfortunate because as it stands TODAY, he is not really moveable with that cap hit at his current product. Not to say he won't earn that money by years end, I am just saying as of today.

Given the forwards who are currently exposed to the expansion draft, Hansen is the clear cut choice for Vegas.
- Codes1087

Probably he will get traded by TDL if they want to protect one of Guance or Granlund. Believe Baertchi is a keeper for them as he has a higher ceiling then the other two.

Probably he will get traded by TDL if they want to protect one of Guance or Granlund. Believe Baertchi is a keeper for them as he has a higher ceiling then the other two.
- Nuck4U

They can't protect Gaunce, Granlund or Baertschi. You can only protect so many forwards and D and I think its back and white who those players are.

As I said, revisit it in a year, but as of right now, I wouldn't trade him unless it were for something very good.
- NorthNuck

I would trade him today if I could. He is probably close to peak value right now and this team is nowhere near a playoff team. Trade him for picks or young players or both. Same with Tanev.

Wasn't Calgary's ownership/management accused of being delusional about their team's future regarding holding onto Kiprusof & Iginla too long before they traded Iggy at the age of 35?

How old are the Sedin's now?
- magmoo

Apples and oranges and not same scenario for many factors at this point. Maybe argument could have been made in 2012/13 after Sharks killed them in playoffs and they fell short of window peak in Cup run. At that point blowing up the team fir rebuild had value in trading. Now with NMC etc plus value and vet presence it's a whole different factor as rebuild is taking place.

If Miller gets us a 3rd round pick or a prospect I'm ecstatic.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Any chance we could do that deal tonight?

Apples and oranges and not same scenario for many factors at this point. Maybe argument could have been made in 2012/13 after Sharks killed them in playoffs and they fell short of window peak in Cup run. At that point blowing up the team fir rebuild had value in trading. Now with NMC etc plus value and vet presence it's a whole different factor as rebuild is taking place.
- Nuck4U

The argument was made in 2012 after we got pounded by the Queens in the first round. Teardown should have began with kesler then and continued on.

I would trade him today if I could. He is probably close to peak value right now and this is nowhere near a playoff team. Trade him for picks or young players or both. Same with Tanev.
- Marwood

We have been guilty of this for years. Holding on to aging assets is nothing new. Look at Chicago and look at the shelf life of younger/older players on that team, yet they are still competitive. Some good players have come in and out of that franchise and they are still a top NHL team

I would trade him today if I could. He is probably close to peak value right now and this is nowhere near a playoff team. Trade him for picks or young players or both. Same with Tanev.
- Marwood

Yup! they are the only players along with Edler with big trade potential and will be to old (Hansen & Edler) when our prospects start stepping into the line-up.

They can't protect Gaunce, Granlund or Baertschi. You can only protect so many forwards and D and I think its back and white who those players are.
- Codes1087

Yeah I said one of because Hanson, Baert Sutter core. Plus Sedins Plus LE must do's

Any chance we could do that deal tonight?
- LordHumungous

We'd probably have to eat half his salary but YUP!!

Yeah I said one of because Hanson, Baert Sutter core. Plus Sedins Plus LE must do's
- Nuck4U

if we are 30 points of a playoff spot and we DONT ship out our pending UFA's or RFA's that we know we aren't going to re-sign, then I will be furious.

Hansen MUST be looked at on the open market unless the Canucks decide to protect him. If I am Vegas and he is available, he is a player I would look at grabbing.
- Codes1087

I was surprised with how well he performed in the top 6 at the beginning of the year, I thought he was solidifying himself in that role, but 2 goals and 4 assists in 12 games (though for a really low scoring team) wont garner a good return IMO. I was all for trading him last year, but its starting to look like we wont get proper value for him. It would be trading for the sake of opening an opportunity

We have been guilty of this for years. Holding on to aging assets is nothing new. Look at Chicago and look at the shelf life of younger/older players on that team, yet they are still competitive. Some good players have come in and out of that franchise and they are still a top NHL team
- Codes1087

Chicago is great with that. I mean fan favourite Patrick Sharp was dealt at the right time, I cant imagine Vancouver ever making a deal like that. We cant even part with bottom 6 guys on the backside of their careers

As Codes just said if they don't trade Hansen this year they will have to protect him or lose him for nothing, and protecting him opens the door to losing Baer.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Why would we expose Baertschi before Rodin?

Why would we expose Baertschi before Rodin?

In fact looking at it, if Rodin plays less than 40 games this year he is exempt so I see no reason we would have to expose Baertschi
- NorthNuck

I made the error in the rules too: Rodin isnt exempt, he just doesnt meet the minimum exposure requirements (though Van has plenty of forwards that do), so he could still be taken. He played 2 years in the AHL

As for protection, I dont see why they would want to protect anyone north of 30 that they dont have to anyways. Hansen is most effective now, but wont age like the Sedins, move him while/if you can, give more chance on Granlund, Baer, Rodin, etc.

I made the error in the rules too: Rodin isnt exempt, he just doesnt meet the minimum exposure requirements (though Van has plenty of forwards that do), so he could still be taken. He played 2 years in the AHL

As for protection, I dont see why they would want to protect anyone north of 30 anyways. Hansen is most effective now, but wont age like the Sedins, move him while/if you can, give more chance on Granlund, Baer, Rodin, etc.
- WhiteLie

Yeah I thought it seemed weird, my mistake. Either way, why would Rodin be attractive to anyone at this point? Unless he comes back and starts lighting it up from December onwards, I don't see why Vegas would want to take a risk on such a heavily injured player.

We have been guilty of this for years. Holding on to aging assets is nothing new. Look at Chicago and look at the shelf life of younger/older players on that team, yet they are still competitive. Some good players have come in and out of that franchise and they are still a top NHL team
- Codes1087

So true. Vrbata is a great example-sky-high value before the start of last year.

Yeah I thought it seemed weird, my mistake. Either way, why would Rodin be attractive to anyone at this point? Unless he comes back and starts lighting it up from December onwards, I don't see why Vegas would want to take a risk on such a heavily injured player.
- NorthNuck

I think they might take a chance on a prospect-type player from Van. They have to take 30 players and NHL rosters are only 23 players, so someones being sent down to build the farm. I could see them going after a Rodin, Granlund or Gaunce type forward to see if they find a hidden gem. Its a free swing, no risk with possible high reward

I would trade him today if I could. He is probably close to peak value right now and this team is nowhere near a playoff team. Trade him for picks or young players or both. Same with Tanev.
- Marwood

I really don't see what good it would do to trade him immediately. A 2nd round pick today is the same as a 2nd round pick at the TDL or at the next draft. I don't see his value fluctuating a whole lot until next year when his contract is running out. Yes it is smart to trade him before that time, but I think patience should be exercised right now.

I think they might take a chance on a prospect-type player from Van. They have to take 30 players and NHL rosters are only 23 players, so someones being sent down to build the farm. I could see them going after a Rodin, Granlund or Gaunce type forward to see if they find a hidden gem. Its a free swing, no risk with possible high reward
- WhiteLie

Add Pedan to that list. If he has a decent season I would expect it to be Gaunce that goes, if not Granlund will probably look good to them having gotten lots of minutes with Sutter.

I really don't see what good it would do to trade him immediately. A 2nd round pick today is the same as a 2nd round pick at the TDL or at the next draft. I don't see his value fluctuating a whole lot until next year when his contract is running out. Yes it is smart to trade him before that time, but I think patience should be exercised right now.
- NorthNuck

I think the need is to get it done by the TDL, because any deal you make with Hansen next year would need to be looked at like: Hansen+(Player lost in expansion draft) for Pick/prospect/etc.

The problem being that the team acquiring Hansen wouldnt be paying for the Vegas player, so value lost. If you know youre trading him, then do it before your costs become higher

Add Pedan to that list. If he has a decent season I would expect it to be Gaunce that goes, if not Granlund will probably look good to them having gotten lots of minutes with Sutter.
- NorthNuck

Pedan definitely could be an option, but there seem to be a lot of good young D available from other teams, thats why I think it will be a forward from Van

I think the need is to get it done by the TDL, because any deal you make with Hansen next year would need to be looked at like: Hansen+(Player lost in expansion draft) for Pick/prospect/etc.

The problem being that the team acquiring Hansen wouldnt be paying for the Vegas player, so value lost. If you know youre trading him, then do it before your costs become higher
- WhiteLie

I would do Hansen and Granlund/Gaunce for a 1st and a 3rd/4th/prospect

I really don't see what good it would do to trade him immediately. A 2nd round pick today is the same as a 2nd round pick at the TDL or at the next draft. I don't see his value fluctuating a whole lot until next year when his contract is running out. Yes it is smart to trade him before that time, but I think patience should be exercised right now.
- NorthNuck

Hansen would get more than a 2nd round pick.
No point in waiting until next season this team is going nowhere fast.
Patience for what?

Hansen would get more than a 2nd round pick.
No point in waiting until next season this team is going nowhere fast.
Patience for what?
- Marwood

Thats my point. You say that, but what team would give up more than that for Hansen, and what would it be? Just trying to be realistic about his value around the league.