I would do Hansen and Granlund/Gaunce for a 1st and a 3rd/4th/prospect
- NorthNuck

If they could get that, I would too

My point was that if Gaunce or Granlund get picked in the expansion draft this year because they protect Hansen, and then they trade Hansen for a 1st round pick afterwards, the total cost to acquire that first round pick would be Hansen and Granlund/Gaunce for that first round pick because Gran/Gaunce were lost to protect Hansen only to be moved for a pick. Seems better to move him before then

They need to send Edler back to the Kelowna Rockets until he can learn not to break a stick every 3rd shift.

If Miller gets us a 3rd round pick or a prospect I'm ecstatic.
- A_SteamingLombardi

The argument was made in 2012 after we got pounded by the Queens in the first round. Teardown should have began with kesler then and continued on.
- LordHumungous

Can't argue with that and plus they missed where the NHL was trending ...

If they could get that, I would too

My point was that if Gaunce or Granlund get picked in the expansion draft this year because they protect Hansen, and then they trade Hansen for a 1st round pick afterwards, the total cost to acquire that first round pick would be Hansen and Granlund/Gaunce for that first round pick because Gran/Gaunce were lost to protect Hansen only to be moved for a pick. Seems better to move him before then
- WhiteLie

I understand the logic but I see what you mean, but I honestly think Hansen holds multi year value to this team, whereas most seem to think the opposite. I guess for me I would wait until the TDL and hopefully Granlund or Gaunce has established themself and forced management to trade Hansen in order to keep them. If not, keep him around, he's the swiss army knife of hockey players and I would want him on my team.

I don't think he or management expects him to end up with a stupid size contract. His versatility is great for bringing kids into the lineup as he can play in the bottom 6 when you want to give others a chance on the top lines as well as top 6 if they are struggling or need fewer minutes to develop.

I would be willing to re-examine it next year however as our situation might be very different by that time.
- NorthNuck

Good points .... why they can't give him away for little return.... but like last TDL and draft he will will always come up as an option to trade because of his value

I really don't see what good it would do to trade him immediately. A 2nd round pick today is the same as a 2nd round pick at the TDL or at the next draft. I don't see his value fluctuating a whole lot until next year when his contract is running out. Yes it is smart to trade him before that time, but I think patience should be exercised right now.
- NorthNuck

It's pretty straightforward: he's worth more to a team trying to make it or turn it around than he is to us. Also, why trade him next year? He'worth more under his great contract for a year and a half than he will be for one year or half of a year as a rental.
If anyone are willing to give us a second for him now, it's a no-brainer.

I understand the logic but I see what you mean, but I honestly think Hansen holds multi year value to this team, whereas most seem to think the opposite. I guess for me I would wait until the TDL and hopefully Granlund or Gaunce has established themself and forced management to trade Hansen in order to keep them. If not, keep him around, he's the swiss army knife of hockey players and I would want him on my team.
- NorthNuck

He's 30. Were not good and he's an asset for the reasons you mentioned and more.

I understand the logic but I see what you mean, but I honestly think Hansen holds multi year value to this team, whereas most seem to think the opposite. I guess for me I would wait until the TDL and hopefully Granlund or Gaunce has established themself and forced management to trade Hansen in order to keep them. If not, keep him around, he's the swiss army knife of hockey players and I would want him on my team.
- NorthNuck

You think they believe Grankund is Hanson 2.O but can play center ....I don't know about his speed though... less ... right ...?

It's pretty straightforward: he's worth more to a team trying to make it or turn it around than he is to us. Also, why trade him next year? He'worth more under his great contract for a year and a half than he will be for one year or half of a year as a rental.
If anyone are willing to give us a second for him now, it's a no-brainer.
- neem55

He should be worth at least a second as a rental next season so why get less now ...?

You think they believe Grankund is Hanson 2.O but can play center ....I don't know about his speed though... less ... right ...?
- Nuck4U

Defiantly slower than Hansen but so is everyone on the team, but Granlund is looking like one of the better JB pickups ATM

I understand the logic but I see what you mean, but I honestly think Hansen holds multi year value to this team, whereas most seem to think the opposite. I guess for me I would wait until the TDL and hopefully Granlund or Gaunce has established themself and forced management to trade Hansen in order to keep them. If not, keep him around, he's the swiss army knife of hockey players and I would want him on my team.
- NorthNuck

For sure, but hes the swiss army knife on the wrong side of 30. He should have a ton of value to Cup contenders, and I hope whether someone is ready to take his role or not, they move him anyways. Personally I would rather enter camp next year with Baer, Virtanen, Granlund, Boeser (hopefully) competing for those top 6 winger spots than Hansen. He has grown on me, but he is a one-time 20 goal scorer unlikely to repeat it, give the skill kids a spot to fight for

He's 30. Were not good and he's an asset for the reasons you mentioned and more.
- neem55

Trading a player because he's a good player on a bad team just for the hell of it seems silly to me. I understand why it could help the team but throwing him away because he's useful is very much a tactic of the tank culture teams.

They need to send Edler back to the Kelowna Rockets until he can learn not to break a stick every 3rd shift.
- boonerbuck

You think he gets a discount for the amount he breaks

He should be worth at least a second as a rental next season so why get less now ...?
- Nuck4U

Why on earth would he, with a very cap-friendly contract, be worth more next year?

For sure, but hes the swiss army knife on the wrong side of 30. He should have a ton of value to Cup contenders, and I hope whether someone is ready to take his role or not, they move him anyways. Personally I would rather enter camp next year with Baer, Virtanen, Granlund, Boeser (hopefully) competing for those top 6 winger spots than Hansen. He has grown on me, but he is a one-time 20 goal scorer unlikely to repeat it, give the skill kids a spot to fight for
- WhiteLie

But if you want an even better team next year let them compete for those spots and Hansen would be motivation. He's fine to play on the 3rd line all year, move up in the case of injuries, and keep guys honest so they know their spots aren't guaranteed.

It's pretty straightforward: he's worth more to a team trying to make it or turn it around than he is to us. Also, why trade him next year? He'worth more under his great contract for a year and a half than he will be for one year or half of a year as a rental.
If anyone are willing to give us a second for him now, it's a no-brainer.
- neem55

I would take that too, though I would be willing to risk waiting for the TDL to see if bidding drives it up. He has a body of work long enough to prove his worth to a playoff team, so he could drive his value up

Trading a player because he's a good player on a bad team just for the hell of it seems silly to me. I understand why it could help the team but throwing him away because he's useful is very much a tactic of the tank culture teams.
- NorthNuck

Now you get it ... it's burn and churn time let's wait a few years for draft picks ... so what if we suck just as much then ... at least we did something

He should be worth at least a second as a rental next season so why get less now ...?
- Nuck4U

If Dale Weise and Fleischman get you Philip Danault (2nd round pick) AND an additional 2nd round pick, I am sure Hansen can you at least that.

Thats my point. You say that, but what team would give up more than that for Hansen, and what would it be? Just trying to be realistic about his value around the league.
- NorthNuck

I can't say what one team from the next would offer for him, I just think he has more value than a 2nd round pick. Just my opinion.

Hansen would get more than a 2nd round pick.
No point in waiting until next season this team is going nowhere fast.
Patience for what?
- Marwood

Hansen has improved the last few years and I think at the deadline he could be worth maybe a 2nd but I'd rather have a good young prospect like a Barzal (dreaming) at the deadline if NYI was in the midst of the playoff run.

For sure, but hes the swiss army knife on the wrong side of 30. He should have a ton of value to Cup contenders, and I hope whether someone is ready to take his role or not, they move him anyways. Personally I would rather enter camp next year with Baer, Virtanen, Granlund, Boeser (hopefully) competing for those top 6 winger spots than Hansen. He has grown on me, but he is a one-time 20 goal scorer unlikely to repeat it, give the skill kids a spot to fight for
- WhiteLie

Exactly

What does a player like Hansen do for a team like Caps, Skarks, or Hawks?

But if you want an even better team next year let them compete for those spots and Hansen would be motivation. He's fine to play on the 3rd line all year, move up in the case of injuries, and keep guys honest so they know their spots aren't guaranteed.
- NorthNuck

I think you are looking to far into the future. What makes you think that Hansen survives the expansion draft if you don't protect him. IF you protect him, you are leaving Baertschi/Rodin/Burrows/Granlund/Gaunce exposed. 4 of those players are under 24.

But if you want an even better team next year let them compete for those spots and Hansen would be motivation. He's fine to play on the 3rd line all year, move up in the case of injuries, and keep guys honest so they know their spots aren't guaranteed.
- NorthNuck

That's the tank point suck for years ... don't improve .... marinate the picks .... serve them up and hope to sign some UFA vets and see where we are after years of pain....

I can't say what one team from the next would offer for him, I just think he has more value than a 2nd round pick. Just my opinion.
- Marwood

I'd be tempted to agree with you, but I don't know if there are playoff teams out there looking to pay a higher cost for a player of his caliber, this could be the classic case of canucks fans over-valuing their own players, I'm just cautioning against that.