lol you are on a role on trying to belittle and label. I am not leading any charge of drama queens which you are trying to peg me into for some reason.

I like to see up tempo hockey. Not a trap. If you can't win either way then at least make it entertaining to watch. So what do you want?
- Nuck4U

Sorry not meaning to belittle, after logging on and reading the same criticisms on WD over and over, well I thought I'd have a little tongue in cheek attitude.

You have some very valid points on a variety of topics, not all I personally agree with, but hey that's just me.

Personally I think the players are to blame just as much, if not more in the fortunes of this team. The last game was a perfect example of playing an excellent 2 periods and shutting down to start the 3rd, even though they were instructed by the "coach" to keep playing the same "style" as the previous 2 periods.

This team sucks talent wise and there are issues with the coaching structure.

do us a favour so we may understand you more fully:

please explain in detail (so we ralph wiggum types) can understand what you mean by willie's system(s). and please don't say that he has no system b/c that is ridiculous. please explain the system(s) detailing the break out, where players are to be positioned, the type of forecheck and the over all positioning of players in the offensive, defensive and neutral zones. start with the over all defensive and offensive philosophy and work in specifics.

thanks in advance.
- RealityChecker

Lol some soap box you got there. I didn't say anything about you not having an understanding. Or that I know better either. I prefer seeing a different style of play employed by WD.

But you seem to know everything. Go ahead tell us what they are doing right as you got all the details.

I was wondering that earlier this season. If this season continues to unravel and people start getting fired, why come back for one last season of utter chaos?
- Marwood

I can think of 7 million reasons

Sorry not meaning to belittle, after logging on and reading the same criticisms on WD over and over, well I thought I'd have a little tongue in cheek attitude.

You have some very valid points on a variety of topics, not all I personally agree with, but hey that's just me.

Personally I think the players are to blame just as much, if not more in the fortunes of this team. The last game was a perfect example of playing an excellent 2 periods and shutting down to start the 3rd, even though they were instructed by the "coach" to keep playing the same "style" as the previous 2 periods.

This team sucks talent wise and there are issues with the coaching structure.
- Makita

I think you mean he didnt adjust after period 2. We know this about WD he cant adjust his coaching. Coach Q (aka the master), made a few adjustments that WD didnt even see happen (because of previously mentioned birth defect holding him back), and the Blackhawks took it to them!

If this continues, in all seriousness, they might say (frank) it....I'm out.
- LeftCoaster

If they do, i hope they give mgmt a heads up so that we can trade em to a contender.

If they do, i hope they give mgmt a heads up so that we can trade em to a contender.

- dbot

I honestly don't think they have much trade value. Not that they would ever waive anyways

Lol some soap box you got there. I didn't say anyitig about you don't have understanding. Or that I know better either. I prefer seeing a different style of play employed by WD.

But you seem to know everything. Go ahead tell us what they are doing right as you got all the details.
- Nuck4U

you keep mentioning willie's "system" and i asked you to explain what you meant by that.

the point being, i don't think you know what the system is.

I think you mean he didnt adjust after period 2. We know this about WD he cant adjust his coaching. Coach Q (aka the master), made a few adjustments that WD didnt even see happen (because of previously mentioned birth defect holding him back), and the Blackhawks took it to them!
- WhiteLie

Or, how about this, he did make an adjustment because they were ahead and he's more concerned about the stealth tank and didn't want the 2 points, but the team is just to damn good to allow a full 3rd period collapse.

(frank) I like that theory..

Mainly Istanbul (not sure if i'll have time for the coast)...A little danger makes the trip more fun
- CanuckDon

Do it. Turkey is awesome. Although I went in the mid 2000's so it was a bit of a different climate.

Or, how about this, he did make an adjustment because they were ahead and he's more concerned about the stealth tank and didn't want the 2 points, but the team is just to damn good to allow a full 3rd period collapse.

(frank) I like that theory..
- Makita

Damn it, I think youre right! When the team wants to win, look out NHL! Presidents Trophy banners will be blocking the view from every seat in the entire upper deck!

i don't get that sense at all. they seem like guys who would go down with the ship unless the ship's captain told them to get on a life raft.
- RealityChecker

I think they will honour their contract and play the final season.
Hopefully, next season will be a little better than this one (so far).

I honestly don't think they have much trade value. Not that they would ever waive anyways
- CanuckDon

c'mon.
They would have great value as a 2nd line for a team that needs some vet presence, or to fill in for some injuries.

I don't think they'll waive either (because i don't think they're ready to retire), but if the scenario is that they are hanging them up after this season, then i don't see why they wouldn't want one more kick at the can.

So, TDL, salaries are reduced (maybe the team trading for them has some bonus LTIR $).

Nashville comes to mind.

It's not a stealth tank, its incompetence by refusing to admit what's in front of you.
- LeftCoaster

Agreed, although I don't think I would use 'incompetence' as we don't know how 'involved' ownership is.

I think they will honour their contract and play the final season.
Hopefully, next season will be a little better than this one (so far).
- Marwood

I hope next year is worse to be honest, they need a few chances to get some quality kids thru the draft.

Agreed, although I don't think I would use 'incompetence' as we don't know how 'involved' ownership is.
- Marwood

Ok....I'll give you that!

c'mon.
They would have great value as a 2nd line for a team that needs some vet presence, or to fill in for some injuries.

I don't think they'll waive either (because i don't think they're ready to retire), but if the scenario is that they are hanging them up after this season, then i don't see why they wouldn't want one more kick at the can.

So, TDL, salaries are reduced (maybe the team trading for them has some bonus LTIR $).

Nashville comes to mind.
- dbot

I just don't see value...are we going to eat 50% of their salary and trade away our franchise players for a couple mid draft picks? They wouldn't waive anyways. They have matching side by side townhouses full of their kids. They aren't leaving

Ok, well seeing how we have struggled to make normal length passes, I will suggest basing your entire system on making stretch passes would be much less successful than the current one. I also dont see many players that could handle a faster pace, even Tryamkin is keeled over nearly every game. Play to your strengths and speed is not one of Vancouver's, which is why we are seeing more traps in the neutral zone
- WhiteLie

Okay your messing around lol. Because you know better. I didn't say base entire system that was an example. Plus Tree is the least in shape guy lol.

They may not have the high caliber individual scorers that Dallas has but they could adopt a hybrid of that style of play. Team speed play is more about movement of the puck and positioning. They got players that can make the passes or carry it out. But they need everyone on the same page. That's where coaching comes into play.

Anyway, you seem not to have any faith in the players at all so why bother, right? Might as well stop watching games and wait for the draft....?

I just don't see value...are we going to eat 50% of their salary and trade away our franchise players for a couple mid draft picks? They wouldn't never waive anyways. They have matching side by side townhouses full of their kids. They aren't leaving
- CanuckDon

Sure. Eat whatever salary you need to (again, with the understanding that they are retiring at seasons end and they want a shot at the playoffs, a dubious scenario).

With the amount of money they have made, they do not need to sell their family home and/or move the whole family. They can return after a few months and live our their lives as Canucks alumni and accept jobs working in Trevor's gym.

I haven't, definitely on the list! I have been through South America, Central America, Asia many times, Aus and NZ. Greece and Turkey are up next but Amsterdam soon
- CanuckDon

Prague was pretty awesome as well I did both in the same trip. Beer is cheaper to buy than water there, no joke, it's their national drink. What's your favourite country you've been to in Asia? I've always heard good things about Thailand and Japan.

you keep mentioning willie's "system" and i asked you to explain what you meant by that.

the point being, i don't think you know what the system is.
- RealityChecker

I did mention it. Simply put it's a trap system.

But you seem to want to ridicule for the sake of trying to show some superiority. Well done you got me

What if the Sedins say (frank) it and retire after this year? Back to Slobbernovski or wherever they come from to play more Modo
- LeftCoaster

They said in an interview that they are just as likely to stay here in Van when they retire than move back, Possibly even more inclined to stay.

Agreed, although I don't think I would use 'incompetence' as we don't know how 'involved' ownership is.
- Marwood

If ownership in involved then the incompetence is even higher.

I would love to visit Dubai, definitely a bucket list item, heard similarly good things about it as a hub to visit neighboring countries
- WhiteLie

I went to Dubai for a couple weeks, stayed with family friends, he's a pilot for Emirates. I would never go back, it honestly sucks. There's the very very rich and the very very poor with almost no in between, people are horribly rude, everywhere you go is some manufactured spectacle. As a Canadian it just comes off super poopty.

Great airline though and the airports are top notch

They said in an interview that they are just as likely to stay here in Van when they retire than move back, Possibly even more inclined to stay.
- Retinalz

Yeah, their kids have never gone to school in Sweden, the kids are more Canadian than Swedish.

Okay your messing around lol. Because you know better. I didn't say base entire system that was an example. Plus Tree is the least in shape guy lol.

They may not have the high caliber individual scorers that Dallas has but they could adopt a hybrid of that style of play. Team speed play is more about movement of the puck and positioning. They got players that can make the passes or carry it out. But they need everyone on the same page. That's where coaching comes into play.

Anyway, you seem not to have any faith in the players at all so why bother, right? Might as well stop watching games and wait for the draft....?
- Nuck4U

My point was that compared to last season, this year has been an improvement in overall performance. I think that the roster is improved, in that the younger players are better and some of the additions are better, and I also think the coaching has tweaked its strategy from last season to better suit the lineup. WD's first season as coach was a lot more high pressure (the D almost always pinched), but as the lineup has changed, he has had to in order to keep games close.

The bolded seems irrelevant to this conversation? I know the team is bad, but doesnt mean I cant appreciate the individuals, hope for an upset or enjoy the play of their opponents. I watch a game nearly every night, regardless of teams playing