I honestly don't think they have much trade value. Not that they would ever waive anyways
- CanuckDon

i'm one of the bigger sedin brothers fans on this thread but i'm not sure i disagree with you.

i don't think the team can get close to "full value" in a trade b/c the pool of teams that they would/could be traded to is very small. Start with 29 teams and cross off all non-contenders. of the contenders, how many of those would want to totally revamp their top 6 (essentially recreating a second line). remember they are contenders and by definition have cup aspirations and should already being doing well.

from the contending teams that would want 2 top 6 players, how many would want 2 players that come with their own style of play and wouldn't necessarily be able to adopt the existing style.

and we further winnow down the list of potential trade teams by asking how many could afford the cap hit. even in the last year of their deals, and the canucks retaining 50%, the real salary owed is still $7m.

you can argue that those teams would send bad contracts back. even if that is true, do real contenders really have that much dead weight cap wise?

so we get to a list of a couple/few teams that could legitimately be traded to. then we ask if the sedins would go there. if they would go there, would that team pay top dollar for the twins knowing that the list of suitors is probably very small?

essentially, when you know that you're the only or 1 of 2 teams that is willing to take the players, why would you not try to low ball? essentially, we'd be in a kesler situation.

finally, once you put the twins on the block, you can't un-ring that bell. if they didn't get traded, the press would have a field day.

tldr; i mostly agree with don.

If ownership in involved then the incompetence is even higher.
- A_SteamingLombardi

i'm one of the bigger sedin brothers fans on this thread but i'm not sure i disagree with you.

i don't think the team can get close to "full value" in a trade b/c the pool of teams that they would/could be traded to is very small. Start with 29 teams and cross off all non-contenders. of the contenders, how many of those would want to totally revamp their top 6 (essentially recreating a second line). remember they are contenders and by definition have cup aspirations and should already being doing well.

from the contending teams that would want 2 top 6 players, how many would want 2 players that come with their own style of play and wouldn't necessarily be able to adopt the existing style.

and we further winnow down the list of potential trade teams by asking how many could afford the cap hit. even in the last year of their deals, and the canucks retaining 50%, the real salary owed is still $7m.

you can argue that those teams would send bad contracts back. even if that is true, do real contenders really have that much dead weight cap wise?

so we get to a list of a couple/few teams that could legitimately be traded to. then we ask if the sedins would go there. if they would go there, would that team pay top dollar for the twins knowing that the list of suitors is probably very small?

essentially, when you know that you're the only or 1 of 2 teams that is willing to take the players, why would you not try to low ball? essentially, we'd be in a kesler situation.

finally, once you put the twins on the block, you can't un-ring that bell. if they didn't get traded, the press would have a field day.

tldr; i mostly agree with don.
- RealityChecker

Thanks Some other people would benefit from using this kind of technique

I went to Dubai for a couple weeks, stayed with family friends, he's a pilot for Emirates. I would never go back, it honestly sucks. There's the very very rich and the very very poor with almost no in between, people are horribly rude, everywhere you go is some manufactured spectacle. As a Canadian it just comes off super poopty.

Great airline though and the airports are top notch
- NorthNuck

A friend of mine works in the area and said he would show me around the good areas if I ever made my way there. I am a cold-weather person, so I cant imagine I would really like it, but being in construction/design field, that city is the mecca of architecture so I feel like I need to at least see some of things there

i'm one of the bigger sedin brothers fans on this thread but i'm not sure i disagree with you.

i don't think the team can get close to "full value" in a trade b/c the pool of teams that they would/could be traded to is very small. Start with 29 teams and cross off all non-contenders. of the contenders, how many of those would want to totally revamp their top 6 (essentially recreating a second line). remember they are contenders and by definition have cup aspirations and should already being doing well.

from the contending teams that would want 2 top 6 players, how many would want 2 players that come with their own style of play and wouldn't necessarily be able to adopt the existing style.

and we further winnow down the list of potential trade teams by asking how many could afford the cap hit. even in the last year of their deals, and the canucks retaining 50%, the real salary owed is still $7m.

you can argue that those teams would send bad contracts back. even if that is true, do real contenders really have that much dead weight cap wise?

so we get to a list of a couple/few teams that could legitimately be traded to. then we ask if the sedins would go there. if they would go there, would that team pay top dollar for the twins knowing that the list of suitors is probably very small?

essentially, when you know that you're the only or 1 of 2 teams that is willing to take the players, why would you not try to low ball? essentially, we'd be in a kesler situation.

finally, once you put the twins on the block, you can't un-ring that bell. if they didn't get traded, the press would have a field day.

tldr; i mostly agree with don.
- RealityChecker

It would be tricky. But it could happen.
Would they get 'full value'? No, but then again, you're dealing 2 aging players and for all the reasons you mentioned. I still don't accept that this means they couldn't or shouldn't be moved. Some value is better than none.

Heck. They might even accept trades to separate teams?

A friend of mine works in the area and said he would show me around the good areas if I ever made my way there. I am a cold-weather person, so I cant imagine I would really like it, but being in construction/design field, that city is the mecca of architecture so I feel like I need to at least see some of things there
- WhiteLie

Seeing the tallest building in the world was cool, though they had an elevator malfunction while we were there so we didn't get to go inside.

The one thing I really enjoyed was when we got out of the city and went on a tour in the desert. You get in a big SUV and go dune bashing across the desert for an hour, basically a roller coaster. Then they take you to this desert outpost place and we got to ride camels and see a belly dancer performance and stuff along with supper. Being in the city itself I found boring as hell.

It would be tricky. But it could happen.
Would they get 'full value'? No, but then again, you're dealing 2 aging players and for all the reasons you mentioned. I still don't accept that this means they couldn't or shouldn't be moved. Some value is better than none.

Heck. They might even accept trades to separate teams?
- dbot

l can't disagree but i think the real danger is putting them on the block and then not trading them.

that would seem like just another act in the circus and that's what makes me afraid.

l can't disagree but i think the real danger is putting them on the block and then not trading them.

that would seem like just another act in the circus and that's what makes me afraid.
- RealityChecker

That's where jobs at Trev's gym come into the equation.

Seeing the tallest building in the world was cool, though they had an elevator malfunction while we were there so we didn't get to go inside.

The one thing I really enjoyed was when we got out of the city and went on a tour in the desert. You get in a big SUV and go dune bashing across the desert for an hour, basically a roller coaster. Then they take you to this desert outpost place and we got to ride camels and see a belly dancer performance and stuff along with supper. Being in the city itself I found boring as hell.
- NorthNuck

Good to know! I still have Scandinavia, Iceland and Antarctica well ahead of Dubai on my travel list, we'll see if I ever make it

I went to Dubai for a couple weeks, stayed with family friends, he's a pilot for Emirates. I would never go back, it honestly sucks. There's the very very rich and the very very poor with almost no in between, people are horribly rude, everywhere you go is some manufactured spectacle. As a Canadian it just comes off super poopty.

Great airline though and the airports are top notch
- NorthNuck

You should've known this before you got there, our culture and there's are obviously nothing alike. I loved it there, lots of cool things to do. The drive to Abu Dhabi is short to, another cool city.

Prague was pretty awesome as well I did both in the same trip. Beer is cheaper to buy than water there, no joke, it's their national drink. What's your favourite country you've been to in Asia? I've always heard good things about Thailand and Japan.
- NorthNuck

Prague sounds outstanding as well. Well, I have been to Thailand 4 times so that's up there. Bali is probably my favourite now as I am older. If you have time to explore Cambodia is great. Incredible history and a bit of everything. The key is to explore beyond Angkor Wat

l can't disagree but i think the real danger is putting them on the block and then not trading them.

that would seem like just another act in the circus and that's what makes me afraid.
- RealityChecker

I don't think it could be much worse, no team could afford to take on the contracts even if we retained 50% of their contracts, and if I'm correct, I believe there's a limit of how many deals you can retain salary from. To make the deal work, and get any assets, we'd be getting back equivalent money either in the form of bad contracts or a paper transaction like a Horton or Datsyuk or Pronger on permanent LTIR.

i'm one of the bigger sedin brothers fans on this thread but i'm not sure i disagree with you.

i don't think the team can get close to "full value" in a trade b/c the pool of teams that they would/could be traded to is very small. Start with 29 teams and cross off all non-contenders. of the contenders, how many of those would want to totally revamp their top 6 (essentially recreating a second line). remember they are contenders and by definition have cup aspirations and should already being doing well.

from the contending teams that would want 2 top 6 players, how many would want 2 players that come with their own style of play and wouldn't necessarily be able to adopt the existing style.

and we further winnow down the list of potential trade teams by asking how many could afford the cap hit. even in the last year of their deals, and the canucks retaining 50%, the real salary owed is still $7m.

you can argue that those teams would send bad contracts back. even if that is true, do real contenders really have that much dead weight cap wise?

so we get to a list of a couple/few teams that could legitimately be traded to. then we ask if the sedins would go there. if they would go there, would that team pay top dollar for the twins knowing that the list of suitors is probably very small?

essentially, when you know that you're the only or 1 of 2 teams that is willing to take the players, why would you not try to low ball? essentially, we'd be in a kesler situation.

finally, once you put the twins on the block, you can't un-ring that bell. if they didn't get traded, the press would have a field day.

tldr; i mostly agree with don.
- RealityChecker

A Contending team could be looking to improve their 3rd line at TDL next year. Most contending teams have solid enough top 6, but their 3rd line can often be suspect when it comes to a long playoff. Having a 3rd line that needs to be shut down(like Pitts last year) can make the team harder to handle. Not all contenders have great 3rd lines, some are at that stage because of good goaltending, and defense more than their top 9. Look at Montreal. They would be going from contenders to favorites if they inserted the twins as their 3lw/3c for a deep playoff run.

i'm one of the bigger sedin brothers fans on this thread but i'm not sure i disagree with you.

i don't think the team can get close to "full value" in a trade b/c the pool of teams that they would/could be traded to is very small. Start with 29 teams and cross off all non-contenders. of the contenders, how many of those would want to totally revamp their top 6 (essentially recreating a second line). remember they are contenders and by definition have cup aspirations and should already being doing well.

from the contending teams that would want 2 top 6 players, how many would want 2 players that come with their own style of play and wouldn't necessarily be able to adopt the existing style.

and we further winnow down the list of potential trade teams by asking how many could afford the cap hit. even in the last year of their deals, and the canucks retaining 50%, the real salary owed is still $7m.

you can argue that those teams would send bad contracts back. even if that is true, do real contenders really have that much dead weight cap wise?

so we get to a list of a couple/few teams that could legitimately be traded to. then we ask if the sedins would go there. if they would go there, would that team pay top dollar for the twins knowing that the list of suitors is probably very small?

essentially, when you know that you're the only or 1 of 2 teams that is willing to take the players, why would you not try to low ball? essentially, we'd be in a kesler situation.

finally, once you put the twins on the block, you can't un-ring that bell. if they didn't get traded, the press would have a field day.

tldr; i mostly agree with don.
- RealityChecker

Exactly right. They are NEVER going anywhere. It's just a fact of life.

I don't think it could be much worse, no team could afford to take on the contracts even if we retained 50% of their contracts, and if I'm correct, I believe there's a limit of how many deals you can retain salary from. To make the deal work, and get any assets, we'd be getting back equivalent money either in the form of bad contracts or a paper transaction like a Horton or Datsyuk or Pronger on permanent LTIR.
- DariusKnight

Dats is not n perm LTIR and his cap counts against the Yotes. He bolted to the KHL.

It would be tricky. But it could happen.
Would they get 'full value'? No, but then again, you're dealing 2 aging players and for all the reasons you mentioned. I still don't accept that this means they couldn't or shouldn't be moved. Some value is better than none.

Heck. They might even accept trades to separate teams?
- dbot

You kiwis have a great sense of humour

A Contending team could be looking to improve their 3rd line at TDL next year. Most contending teams have solid enough top 6, but their 3rd line can often be suspect when it comes to a long playoff. Having a 3rd line that needs to be shut down(like Pitts last year) can make the team harder to handle. Not all contenders have great 3rd lines, some are at that stage because of good goaltending, and defense more than their top 9. Look at Montreal. They would be going from contenders to favorites if they inserted the twins as their 3lw/3c for a deep playoff run.
- Retinalz

Plekanec, Gallagher, 1st and a prospect like Juulsun.
Done.

Exactly right. They are NEVER going anywhere. It's just a fact of life.
- CanuckDon

I think we've all anticipated this.
Just fun to toss around alternative reality scenario's.

A Contending team could be looking to improve their 3rd line at TDL next year. Most contending teams have solid enough top 6, but their 3rd line can often be suspect when it comes to a long playoff. Having a 3rd line that needs to be shut down(like Pitts last year) can make the team harder to handle. Not all contenders have great 3rd lines, some are at that stage because of good goaltending, and defense more than their top 9. Look at Montreal. They would be going from contenders to favorites if they inserted the twins as their 3lw/3c for a deep playoff run.
- Retinalz

i agree and disagree. if i'm a contender, i would want a checking 3rd line that can pot some goals rather than a scoring line that is "decent" defensively.

your pitt example is a good one but i'm not sure how many teams can afford that much money on the 3rd line like the pens were able to do with kessel.

as for montreal, i would think they want some more sandpaper, big body type players especially on the bottom 6.

i agree and disagree. if i'm a contender, i would want a checking 3rd line that can pot some goals rather than a scoring line that is "decent" defensively.

your pitt example is a good one but i'm not sure how many teams can afford that much money on the 3rd line like the pens were able to do with kessel.

as for montreal, i would think they want some more sandpaper, big body type players especially on the bottom 6.
- RealityChecker

You don't want the Sedin's in your bottom 6 providing some muscle?

i agree and disagree. if i'm a contender, i would want a checking 3rd line that can pot some goals rather than a scoring line that is "decent" defensively.

your pitt example is a good one but i'm not sure how many teams can afford that much money on the 3rd line like the pens were able to do with kessel.

as for montreal, i would think they want some more sandpaper, big body type players especially on the bottom 6.
- RealityChecker

Mtl has Max Pac/Torey Mitchel/Shaw as their 3rd line according to Daily Faceoff.

Sedins could replace Pleks and Gallagher on teh 2nd line and add a solid scoring threat, and 2nd pp unit. Or play PK.

Mtl has Max Pac/Torey Mitchel/Shaw as their 3rd line according to Daily Faceoff.

Sedins could replace Pleks and Gallagher on teh 2nd line and add a solid scoring threat, and 2nd pp unit. Or play PK.
- dbot

And another thing, the Sedin's have a pretty weak track record in the playoffs. MTL doesn't want them.

You don't want the Sedin's in your bottom 6 providing some muscle?
- CanuckDon

Why couldn't it have been Peter Forsberg and Henrik Zetterberg instead of Henrik and Daniel


*love those guys, just kidding*

You don't want the Sedin's in your bottom 6 providing some muscle?
- CanuckDon

on the other hand, they are some pretty nasty bruisers.

did you see daniel destroy keith's elbow and kadri's shoulder? vicious, cold blooded killers; those twins are.

Do it. Turkey is awesome. Although I went in the mid 2000's so it was a bit of a different climate.
- belcherbd

I really want to go to Turkey to visit sites like Gobekli Tepe but that is a pretty risky adventure. I feel much safer fishing within sight of grizzly bears right now...