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Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 30 @ 6:52 PM ET
Burrows is having a good season if you wash away the bad start the entire team had... Any GM on the hunt and weighing out options is going to base their assessment on what he has done recently rather than scrolling back months to find a reason not to add him... especially when the commitment is a mere couple of months.

Burrows is our only + forward right now and can take a lot of credit for our #6 pk. He's also on a scoring run right now... later this season, he will have interest if he doesn't fade away.

- boonerbuck



Spot on
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Nov 30 @ 6:57 PM ET
His article is the usual bunk. Aging core. Cause we have the Sedins, Burrows and Miller. Guess having the youngest D in NHL now proved him right.
- Nuck4U


Not to mention Miller and Burrows are gone in no more than a few month. Aging core is almost gone now... the narrative is pathetic.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Nov 30 @ 6:57 PM ET
A follow up question...would Miller waive to backup Carey Price? I doubt it.
- CanuckDon

Price often gets hurt in the playoffs. Why wouldn't he?
YeOldTimer
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 30 @ 7:06 PM ET
"It won't be easy. Tanking never is. But it's a necessary evil in today's NHL."

What a moron

- NorthNuck


That article is the end result of a lemming who's a hockey fan earning his degree in creative writing.

Tanking is extremely easy. You trade everybody on your roster that you can move for as many draft picks as you can get. Throw darts at the board and hope you score some talent. By having better quality options to hit, you're less likely to pick pure duds. You repeat that process for a couple of years and keep selling hope.

Unfortunately there are only a handful of markets in the league where the joy of losing is appealing to fans. (Or there's already so much fan apathy that it doesn't make any difference.) Everywhere else it serves only to diminish your brand in the short term, and lower the value of your franchise.

The other problem is that not every team that loses on purpose scores a free Connor McDavid. Sure it may have worked out great in Pittsburgh and Chicago, but fans in a couple of cities high on the local Koolaid keep trumpeting it as the only path to glory and 'a necessary evil', when their teams have yet to show that it will even get them into the playoffs, let alone a future Stanley Cup.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 30 @ 7:07 PM ET
Not to mention Miller and Burrows are gone in no more than a few month. Aging core is almost gone now... the narrative is pathetic.

- boonerbuck



Yes. It's another half truth and misrepresentation for team as a whole. Bo's rise now will add to the narrative too.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Nov 30 @ 7:07 PM ET
I think Nichushkin is under contract in the KHL, might be something they go for actually. Bit of a long term plan and risky, but I like it.
- neem55

Still has RFA rights here, i don't think i want him though. He has shown that he will always come with the risk of running to the KHL with his feelings hurt.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Nov 30 @ 7:09 PM ET
That article is the end result of a lemming who's a hockey fan earning his degree in creative writing.

Tanking is extremely easy. You trade everybody on your roster that you can move for as many draft picks as you can get. Throw darts at the board and hope you score some talent. By having better quality options to hit, you're less likely to pick pure duds. You repeat that process for a couple of years and keep selling hope.

Unfortunately there are only a handful of markets in the league where the joy of losing is appealing to fans. (Or there's already so much fan apathy that it doesn't make any difference.) Everywhere else it serves only to diminish your brand in the short term, and lower the value of your franchise.

The other problem is that not every team that loses on purpose scores a free Connor McDavid. Sure it may have worked out great in Pittsburgh and Chicago, but fans in a couple of cities high on the local Koolaid keep trumpeting it as the only path to glory and 'a necessary evil', when their teams have yet to show that it will even get them into the playoffs, let alone a future Stanley Cup.

- YeOldTimer

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 30 @ 7:16 PM ET
Nobody is trading for Miller to be their backup. If a contender gets an injury to their starter near the deadline it would be the perfect storm
- CanuckDon



By the time TDL comes around there will be about 2.5 mil left not 6 mil
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 30 @ 7:22 PM ET
That article is the end result of a lemming who's a hockey fan earning his degree in creative writing.

Tanking is extremely easy. You trade everybody on your roster that you can move for as many draft picks as you can get. Throw darts at the board and hope you score some talent. By having better quality options to hit, you're less likely to pick pure duds. You repeat that process for a couple of years and keep selling hope.

Unfortunately there are only a handful of markets in the league where the joy of losing is appealing to fans. (Or there's already so much fan apathy that it doesn't make any difference.) Everywhere else it serves only to diminish your brand in the short term, and lower the value of your franchise.

The other problem is that not every team that loses on purpose scores a free Connor McDavid. Sure it may have worked out great in Pittsburgh and Chicago, but fans in a couple of cities high on the local Koolaid keep trumpeting it as the only path to glory and 'a necessary evil', when their teams have yet to show that it will even get them into the playoffs, let alone a future Stanley Cup.

- YeOldTimer


Well said. It takes more then high draft picks over years to make a winning team. Anyway, we all know Canucks need some more quality draft picks like OJ and BB no matter their postioning. Plus picks in later rounds like Tree. Either way keep rebuilding young core. Trade a few vets for young core add on. Keep trying to be competitive for development's sake.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 30 @ 7:27 PM ET
Burrows playing very good ,trade him at TDL . The better he is playing the higher the pick.

Tanev or Edler : At least one should be gone and hopefully it is Edler. The Kids showed last night that they are better suited for the PP.

Hansen : Love the guy but as you can see some of the new guys can handle the load. Guys like Menga Chaput and Lababte can give you a first hand experience of what the front of the net looks like. Time for change of the old perimeter game.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 30 @ 7:41 PM ET
Still has RFA rights here, i don't think i want him though. He has shown that he will always come with the risk of running to the KHL with his feelings hurt.
- Retinalz



I hear you. Reality of Modern era. It happens especially for Russians if they can't get what they are looking for because they have options. Canucks would have lost Tree to KHL if they didn't give him a shot in line up. With Canuck needs it might draw him back like Rodin.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 30 @ 7:55 PM ET
I said two days ago if it was my PP I would go with this line up of

Eriksson Bo Sutter

Hutton and Stecher as the first unit.

I think it was Makita who said add a few extra seconds while we give up a short handed goal. Hutton has lloked good offensively tthis year and by far Stecher ha been the puck moving Dman.

Vancouver fans hate change. We need to start handing bigger roles to the youth. Edler is stuck in the 1990s with his style.If the youth fails they will learn . Not to mention the worse that can happen is a higher draft pick.
vancity787
Vancouver Canucks
Location: My Parents Basement, BC
Joined: 07.14.2008

Nov 30 @ 7:58 PM ET
Burrows is having a good season if you wash away the bad start the entire team had... Any GM on the hunt and weighing out options is going to base their assessment on what he has done recently rather than scrolling back months to find a reason not to add him... especially when the commitment is a mere couple of months.

Burrows is our only + forward right now and can take a lot of credit for our #6 pk. He's also on a scoring run right now... later this season, he will have interest if he doesn't fade away.

- boonerbuck

Not to mention he is a proven playoff performer. He shows up when it counts. And brings a solid game on both sides of the puck.

He's extremely valuable come playoff time. 34 points in 70 games for a player of his calibre is exceptional and he could provide extra leadership and a boost to any bottom six in the playoffs.

Experience go's a long way and he's got it.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 30 @ 8:02 PM ET
Burrows playing very good ,trade him at TDL . The better he is playing the higher the pick.

Tanev or Edler : At least one should be gone and hopefully it is Edler. The Kids showed last night that they are better suited for the PP.

Hansen : Love the guy but as you can see some of the new guys can handle the load. Guys like Menga Chaput and Lababte can give you a first hand experience of what the front of the net looks like. Time for change of the old perimeter game.

- VANTEL


The above would be the smart move. Add in Miller as well. More spots for new core to compete for as well. Have seen cycle play not used so much by Sedins. More speedsters adding to driving the net. Believe that is Rodin's game as well.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Nov 30 @ 8:03 PM ET
I said two days ago if it was my PP I would go with this line up of

Eriksson Bo Sutter

Hutton and Stecher as the first unit.

I think it was Makita who said add a few extra seconds while we give up a short handed goal. Hutton has lloked good offensively tthis year and by far Stecher ha been the puck moving Dman.

Vancouver fans hate change. We need to start handing bigger roles to the youth. Edler is stuck in the 1990s with his style.If the youth fails they will learn . Not to mention the worse that can happen is a higher draft pick.

- VANTEL



And yet those back to back PPG's were with the Sedins/Sutter.

djlarose
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Burlington, VT
Joined: 06.29.2011

Nov 30 @ 8:06 PM ET
Everyone keeps talking about tanking and getting draftpicks. Selling high on a bit of the talent we have that is going to be gone next year. I am fully on board with that as an option. But the one thing that hasnt really come up...

What happens if we are still in the hunt at the deadline??

Don't get me wrong, I think that we are probably not going to make the playoffs. But, the team isnt that bad. They won 4 in a row to start, had a horrible 9 game stretch and has since been playing decent winning hockey. If the 9 game stretch is the anomaly, and recent above .500 is the teams true potential... wildcard birth is NOT a stretch.

How does a potential wildcard birth change the deadline plans that you guys would make? Go for a run or still try to tank?
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Nov 30 @ 8:06 PM ET
The above would be the smart move. Add in Miller as well. More spots for new core to compete for as well. Have seen cycle play not used so much by Sedins. More speedsters adding to driving the net. Believe that is Rodin's game as well.
- Nuck4U


I'd like to see Miller, Hansen, Burrows moved for sure at the TDL. It just makes sense.

Tanev/Edler is not a for sure for me and only if the return is good.

I would not be too quick to hand over the reigns to the youngins on the back end.
They played good for one game.
We have been moving out the old and bringing in youth for the past few years, no need to rush it.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 30 @ 8:15 PM ET
Not to mention he is a proven playoff performer. He shows up when it counts. And brings a solid game on both sides of the puck.

He's extremely valuable come playoff time. 34 points in 70 games for a player of his calibre is exceptional and he could provide extra leadership and a boost to any bottom six in the playoffs.

Experience go's a long way and he's got it.

- vancity787


So true. Timely goals too. All the ingredients for perfect rental. Cap hit even holding 50% would be only bar to figure out for contender. It's doable though and hope the return keeps growing. What do you think the value ceiling would be, a second rounder?
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Nov 30 @ 8:18 PM ET
Mcantyre and other media pundits believe he does. But based on his play of late do you not see it? Savvy vet that can bring it in any role. Playoff performer with timely goals. What any Cup contender would like.
- Nuck4U


I guess I can see it, for sure. I hope you all are right and GM's think he is worth a draft pick. Maybe its the first time he's really been healthy in a few years... it's hard to say. I kind of hope he goes to Florida, so that he and Lou get a run together. I think I'm just bitter about how bad he was the last few years, should be happy he is having a bounce back year.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Nov 30 @ 8:22 PM ET
I said two days ago if it was my PP I would go with this line up of

Eriksson Bo Sutter

Hutton and Stecher as the first unit.

I think it was Makita who said add a few extra seconds while we give up a short handed goal. Hutton has lloked good offensively this year and by far Stecher ha been the puck moving Dman.

Vancouver fans hate change. We need to start handing bigger roles to the youth. Edler is stuck in the 1990s with his style.If the youth fails they will learn . Not to mention the worse that can happen is a higher draft pick.

- VANTEL


I like this idea. I would also like to see Bo deployed with the Sedin's on the powerplay with maybe Sutter or Erikson on one of the points. I do agree handing responsability is important, but making them earn it is important too. Bo has. Stecher has. Hutton has not IMO.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Nov 30 @ 8:22 PM ET
I guess I can see it, for sure. I hope you all are right and GM's think he is worth a draft pick. Maybe its the first time he's really been healthy in a few years... it's hard to say. I kind of hope he goes to Florida, so that he and Lou get a run together. I think I'm just bitter about how bad he was the last few years, should be happy he is having a bounce back year.
- neem55


Montreal would be the dream end to his story book career imo.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Nov 30 @ 8:24 PM ET
I like this idea. I would also like to see Bo deployed with the Sedin's on the powerplay with maybe Sutter or Erikson on one of the points. I do agree handing responsability is important, but making them earn it is important too. Bo has. Stecher has. Hutton has not IMO.
- neem55


Sutter looks real good down low imo.
And in front on the net.

I am really digging his play of late.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 30 @ 8:26 PM ET
Everyone keeps talking about tanking and getting draftpicks. Selling high on a bit of the talent we have that is going to be gone next year. I am fully on board with that as an option. But the one thing that hasnt really come up...

What happens if we are still in the hunt at the deadline??

Don't get me wrong, I think that we are probably not going to make the playoffs. But, the team isnt that bad. They won 4 in a row to start, had a horrible 9 game stretch and has since been playing decent winning hockey. If the 9 game stretch is the anomaly, and recent above .500 is the teams true potential... wildcard birth is NOT a stretch.

How does a potential wildcard birth change the deadline plans that you guys would make? Go for a run or still try to tank?

- djlarose


The trades talked about are players that are injured so it's not a tank if the team is competing without them. That would leave moving on UFA's Burr and Miller who will now have value as rentals? I'd say yes for long term reward. Let the youth compete for spots and earn their experience in competing for run. If they fail then higher odds on lotto not a bad place to be for rebuild.

By the way how are the slopes looking in VT?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 30 @ 8:39 PM ET
And yet those back to back PPG's were with the Sedins/Sutter.


- dbot



So?


Who wqas on the beack end , Hutton and Stecher.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 30 @ 8:41 PM ET
I like this idea. I would also like to see Bo deployed with the Sedin's on the powerplay with maybe Sutter or Erikson on one of the points. I do agree handing responsability is important, but making them earn it is important too. Bo has. Stecher has. Hutton has not IMO.
- neem55



I don't like Bo on with the Sedins. He would be watching them pass back and forth

Hutton has the most goals on our D. He has made some really nice rushes. He is always put behind Edler on the PP our power play sucked
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