its crazy here sometimes. Every player that gets good people here want to trade away
- SMBDragon

It's not that. Think of it like Edmonton and Nashville. They had excess of one thing and lacking in other areas. Van has D. We have found out we could probably spare 1 or 2.

The tank nation full rebuild strip it down argument. Why be surprised by that
- Nuck4U

I'm a build on the fly kind of guy. It's already started. Going to be occasional bumps in the road but going to get there.

Biega was solid and got an assist. Tree didn't miss a beat with new partner. Granlund is doing more then anyone expected. Not waiver wire fodder which is an undervalue assessment by our angry poster of the night.
- Nuck4U

I didnt say anything about Granlund. I called Baertschi waiver wire fodder. I've never had a problem with Granlund. When everyone was pulling their hair out at the Shink trade, I believe I took a level headed wait and see approach and posted the suggestion that everyone else do the same.

It would suck to lose Granlund to expansion. His roster spot is secure, but he's not a top 6 forward on a contending team. I feel like the 7 protection spots for forwards should be used on guys who are, or can be, top 6 guys on a contending team.

I am not advocating trading Markus Granlund for Anthony Mantha, not that I think the canucks would be better off for it (they would) but because I always look at the other side, and Detroit's not taking that deal. But, if we were to somehow acquire a player like Anthony Mantha, I would protect him over Granlund even though MG is the better player today.

Will be hard to choose between Baerschi or Granlund on who to protect. Only way to keep both is to trade Hansen really.
- Retinalz

Yup, get assets in trading Hansen, instead of losing a 24 year old to protect a 31 year old on a team that is "retooling"

I didnt say anything about Granlund. I called Baertschi waiver wire fodder. I've never had a problem with Granlund. When everyone was pulling their hair out at the Shink trade, I believe I took a level headed wait and see approach and posted the suggestion that everyone else do the same.

It would suck to lose Granlund to expansion. His roster spot is secure, but he's not a top 6 forward on a contending team. I feel like the 7 protection spots for forwards should be used on guys who are, or can be, top 6 guys on a contending team.

I am not advocating trading Markus Granlund for Anthony Mantha, not that I think the canucks would be better off for it (they would) but because I always look at the other side, and Detroit's not taking that deal. But, if we were to somehow acquire a player like Anthony Mantha, I would protect him over Granlund even though MG is the better player today.
- Max.Betts

GREAT EXPLANATION. IM VERY SATISFIED WITH THIS REBUTTLE. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME OUT OF YOUR DAY TO WRITE IT. I CAN FINALLY GO TO SLEEP.

GREAT EXPLANATION. IM VERY SATISFIED WITH THIS REBUTTLE. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME OUT OF YOUR DAY TO WRITE IT. I CAN FINALLY GO TO SLEEP.
- vancity787

ME TOO SLEEP

This is my second problem, you guys overvalue canucks players. Baertschi is basically waiver-wire fodder. He's on the "second line" because we dont have a better option.
- Max.Betts

So a player that is on pace for just shy of 40 pts(could be less could be more, never know when a player will run hot or cold) is waiver-wire fodder? nice one... you're a 'special' one.

because you prob need it spelled out.

in an 82 game season he is on pace for 36 points. That is high end 3rd line point production, almost low end 2nd line production. If we put him on waivers he would get taken and i doubt many teams would pass him up in the bottom 10.

I didnt say anything about Granlund. I called Baertschi waiver wire fodder. I've never had a problem with Granlund. When everyone was pulling their hair out at the Shink trade, I believe I took a level headed wait and see approach and posted the suggestion that everyone else do the same.

It would suck to lose Granlund to expansion. His roster spot is secure, but he's not a top 6 forward on a contending team. I feel like the 7 protection spots for forwards should be used on guys who are, or can be, top 6 guys on a contending team.

I am not advocating trading Markus Granlund for Anthony Mantha, not that I think the canucks would be better off for it (they would) but because I always look at the other side, and Detroit's not taking that deal. But, if we were to somehow acquire a player like Anthony Mantha, I would protect him over Granlund even though MG is the better player today.
- Max.Betts

Okay. Seems like you combined a couple answers on issues brought up by other posters. As for trades JB is not doing any. By his words he's going to develop what we have. Specifically mentioned Baertchi. So they don't see him as waiver wire fodder.

The plan as I get from their comments and actions is team has made its moves for now. They have prospects in the pipeline and will draft more quality picks. In the mean time will keep what vets they have to develop the mid tier young guys they traded/signed to add in. Then bring up when ready the group of young players under 20. Bo leads the way as face of the younger core.

It's their rebuild/retool plan. Trades on hold. No stocking up draft picks. Assets will stay to compete and develop new emerging core. Draft position not a concern.

The tank nation full rebuild strip it down argument. Why be surprised by that
- Nuck4U

ya craziness.....
this is 'trades R Us' here
Is there a help group for that?

It's not that. Think of it like Edmonton and Nashville. They had excess of one thing and lacking in other areas. Van has D. We have found out we could probably spare 1 or 2.
- manvanfan

maybe not with you Im meaning theres a lot of that train around here.

Lets say for example we did trade for Kane. After he plays a few games and maybe scores a nice goal people will want to trade him will his value is up. They seem to want a revolving door of constant trades, keeping no talent lol.

ya craziness.....
this is 'trades R Us' here
Is there a help group for that?
- SMBDragon

Lol they can keep that up but JB is standing pat on player moves. This is the JB plan to have the injured return. Here is what it could look like.

Sedins plus Rodin ( three crown with a speedster and shooter?)

Baer + Bo + LE ( 1st line to be?)

Granlund + Sutter + Hanson ( shut down and chip in)

Burrows + Guance + Skille/Chaput (grit or greasy?)

Edler + Stecher (More offense?)

Tree + Tanev (shut down & allow for offense from Tree?)

Hutton + Guddy ( More impact with manageable minutes?)

Sbisa rotates in.
Biega sits.

Have you watched Drouin play? Tanev and a 2nd for Drouin maybe. Maybe.
- neem55

I thought Tanev was this defensive prodigy from all the effusive praise the guy gets... especially over the summer...

I guess he's gone down a notch... but then again Taylor Hall for Larsson (sp?) shows that maybe d-men are a higher value commodity...

Babcock, arguably one of the best coaches in the game. Toronto one of the most skilled teams in the league yet very inexperienced.
- manvanfan

27Vancouver 27 12 13 2 26 9 65 79 -14 8-5-1 4-8-1 3-1 6-3-1 W1 Dec 8: VAN 5 - TBL 1 Dec 10 @ FLA
28Toronto 25 10 10 5 25 10 74 80 -6 8-4-0 2-6-5 0-3 4-4-2 L1 Dec 7: TOR 2 - MIN 3 Dec 10 @ BOS
29Colorado 25 10 14 1 21 10 56 75 -19 4-8-1 6-6-0 0-1 3-6-1 W1 Dec 8: COL 4 - BOS 2 Dec 10 @ MTL
30Arizona 26 8 13 5 21 6 58 82 -24 5-5-2 3-8-3 2-1 3-4-3 OT1 Dec 8: ARI 1 - CGY 2 Dec 10

You might want to make another edit...

http://sports.yahoo.com/n...ers-exempt-004322515.html

Methot is Karlsson's Right (left) hand man.
Phaneuf must be protected.
That means they have to choose between Ceci and Methot.
- Max.Betts

I am not sure but I thought once a player with a NMC is traded they no longer have a NMC

Sbisa needs two more games to be draft complient

My money is on Rodin back in 16-17 more games

Well, that was embarrassing!1 Fire Willie, what a garbage coach!!
I see the emo's are out in full force after a win.
This fan base!

This is my second problem, you guys overvalue canucks players. Baertschi is basically waiver-wire fodder. He's on the "second line" because we dont have a better option.
- Max.Betts

What a sh!t show of a thread last night

Fun read with your morning coffee

What a sh!t show of a thread last night

Fun read with your morning coffee
- nucks_94

What a joke!
A 5-1 win with goals from 4th line plugs and a defensive defenseman and it's "we need a coaching change!"

What a joke!
A 5-1 win with goals from 4th line plugs and a defensive defenseman and it's "we need a coaching change!"
- Marwood

Yep, always good for a laugh.

Anyway, I wish we could play Bishop every night...

What a sh!t show of a thread last night

Fun read with your morning coffee
- nucks_94

Turn HB off after 8

Well, that was embarrassing!1 Fire Willie, what a garbage coach!!
I see the emo's are out in full force after a win.
This fan base!
- Marwood

Im still on the fire train.

What a sh!t show of a thread last night

Fun read with your morning coffee
- nucks_94

27Vancouver 27 12 13 2 26 9 65 79 -14 8-5-1 4-8-1 3-1 6-3-1 W1 Dec 8: VAN 5 - TBL 1 Dec 10 @ FLA
28Toronto 25 10 10 5 25 10 74 80 -6 8-4-0 2-6-5 0-3 4-4-2 L1 Dec 7: TOR 2 - MIN 3 Dec 10 @ BOS
29Colorado 25 10 14 1 21 10 56 75 -19 4-8-1 6-6-0 0-1 3-6-1 W1 Dec 8: COL 4 - BOS 2 Dec 10 @ MTL
30Arizona 26 8 13 5 21 6 58 82 -24 5-5-2 3-8-3 2-1 3-4-3 OT1 Dec 8: ARI 1 - CGY 2 Dec 10



- VANTEL

Two teams that have a lot of very young players Arizona and Toronto still not doing very well

What a joke!
A 5-1 win with goals from 4th line plugs and a defensive defenseman and it's "we need a coaching change!"
- Marwood

Dude the coaching change has been going on since game 10.