Like I said, you missed the point. In fact, by focusing on the system, you are making the same mistake that Rex and Disco are.
My question was "Why can't a genius realize that forcing players to adjust their skills to fit your system doesn't work as well as adjusting your system to your players skills?" and then I asked "Why can't somebody point out to Bylsma that Rex just got fired for making that mistake." - Der Kaiser
For the same reason people here think they know more than coaches and GMs, ego.
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Dec 28 @ 4:06 PM ET
Who fits this mold on the Sabres though?
Kane is playing his best hockey in years because someone finally realized he doesn't belong with top end talent. And no this isn't a criticism of him, he's just a great checking line winger. Does Bylsma get no credit for the good? - sbroads24
He has implemented a system that focuses on getting pucks deep, turning defenders backs, and then chasing and retrieving the puck, and starting it all over again.
But our best player likes to carry the puck on his stick. Kane likes the puck on his stick (its why he and Jack struggle together). Kulikov and Bogosian are not the brainiest of players, or the most adept play makers, but they can carry the puck in transition and can skate faster than average.
We are asking them to do exactly what they are bad at – make low percentage, lightning fast decisions and pinpoint tape to tape passes. Get the puck up to the evacuated wingers and do it fast and fit it in a tiny window. 99% of the time it doesn’t work.
McCabe also can skate very well. They don’t get activated in the offensive zone and rarely get involved in neutral zone play. We are using our defensemen for their weaknesses.
He has implemented a system that focuses on getting pucks deep, turning defenders backs, and then chasing and retrieving the puck, and starting it all over again.
But our best player likes to carry the puck on his stick. Kane likes the puck on his stick (its why he and Jack struggle together). Kulikov and Bogosian are not the brainiest of players, or the most adept play makers, but they can carry the puck in transition and can skate faster than average.
We are asking them to do exactly what they are bad at – make low percentage, lightning fast decisions and pinpoint tape to tape passes. Get the puck up to the evacuated wingers and do it fast and fit it in a tiny window. 99% of the time it doesn’t work.
McCabe also can skate very well. They don’t get activated in the offensive zone and rarely get involved in neutral zone play. We are using our defensemen for their weaknesses. - Der Kaiser
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Dec 28 @ 4:22 PM ET
He has implemented a system that focuses on getting pucks deep, turning defenders backs, and then chasing and retrieving the puck, and starting it all over again.
But our best player likes to carry the puck on his stick. Kane likes the puck on his stick (its why he and Jack struggle together). Kulikov and Bogosian are not the brainiest of players, or the most adept play makers, but they can carry the puck in transition and can skate faster than average.
We are asking them to do exactly what they are bad at – make low percentage, lightning fast decisions and pinpoint tape to tape passes. Get the puck up to the evacuated wingers and do it fast and fit it in a tiny window. 99% of the time it doesn’t work.
McCabe also can skate very well. They don’t get activated in the offensive zone and rarely get involved in neutral zone play. We are using our defensemen for their weaknesses. - Der Kaiser
I actually read a post that a friend had sent me from another Hockey forum way back at the beginning of the year and it basically said this exact same thing.
For the most part, they used two teams as an example. The Kings and the Hawks. Right now, we're being forced to play a system like the Kings did when when won the Cup (dump and chase), but really, we have the personnel that fits more into the style of the Hawks (playing with the puck on your stick).
Wish I could go back and find it. It was really well-written.
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Dec 28 @ 4:27 PM ET
I actually read a post that a friend had sent me from another Hockey forum way back at the beginning of the year and it basically said this exact same thing.
For the most part, they used two teams as an example. The Kings and the Hawks. Right now, we're being forced to play a system like the Kings did when when won the Cup (dump and chase), but really, we have the personnel that fits more into the style of the Hawks (playing with the puck on your stick).
Wish I could go back and find it. It was really well-written. - HonkFortheGoose
I boosted this from a post in another forum written after the Hurricane's game.
The person who wrote this also said we are playing like the Kings did - sending long passes for speedy wingers to go chase - instead of trying to create and take advantage of space by carrying the puck.
The person who wrote this also said we are playing like the Kings did - sending long passes for speedy wingers to go chase - instead of trying to create and take advantage of space by carrying the puck. - Der Kaiser
Wonder if it's the same person but on a different board. I wish I had a link. What I was sent was a screen shot of the post and it's from way back in October. It makes a ton of sense when you read it and then think back to what we see on a nightly basis.
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Dec 28 @ 4:44 PM ET
Like I said, you missed the point. In fact, by focusing on the system, you are making the same mistake that Rex and Disco are.
My question was "Why can't a genius realize that forcing players to adjust their skills to fit your system doesn't work as well as adjusting your system to your players skills?" and then I asked "Why can't somebody point out to Bylsma that Rex just got fired for making that mistake." - Der Kaiser
Made this exact point days ago.
Thanks for the support.
Crazy coaches bring their system and retool the personnel to fit it...wasting valuable draft pick assets in the process which could be used to further advance the team in the style that maximizes the existing players skill set.
Smart coaches realize this and adjust s system to leverage the on filed talent.
The Bills and Sabres don't realize this...hence the revolving door at One Bills Drive and the playoff drought both teams are rightfully enjoying!
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Dec 28 @ 4:46 PM ET
He has implemented a system that focuses on getting pucks deep, turning defenders backs, and then chasing and retrieving the puck, and starting it all over again.
But our best player likes to carry the puck on his stick. Kane likes the puck on his stick (its why he and Jack struggle together). Kulikov and Bogosian are not the brainiest of players, or the most adept play makers, but they can carry the puck in transition and can skate faster than average.
We are asking them to do exactly what they are bad at – make low percentage, lightning fast decisions and pinpoint tape to tape passes. Get the puck up to the evacuated wingers and do it fast and fit it in a tiny window. 99% of the time it doesn’t work.
McCabe also can skate very well. They don’t get activated in the offensive zone and rarely get involved in neutral zone play. We are using our defensemen for their weaknesses. - Der Kaiser
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Dec 28 @ 4:56 PM ET
Fire Bylsma now!
You think Nylander is built to skate into the corner and fight 6'4" 210lb Dmen...or would he be better off with give and go passes from Eichel and Rhino?
While a team needs a mix of players with different skills and styles...I'd rather be maximizing Eichel, Rhino, okposo, Nylander, Kane ...than Foligno and Larsson!
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Dec 28 @ 4:57 PM ET
I'm happy with Reinhart's season so far. He is a "second half of the season" type of player.
Pomminville was like this almost every season from what I remember. He would start slow but around December start to find his game and after the new year was always one of our best players.
Someone mentioned Briere last night in comparison to Reinhart. We wish.
I'm gonna say he's out new Pommers. And I'm happy enough with that. Wish we would have never traded him, still.
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Dec 28 @ 4:59 PM ET
This is a very interesting take, especially in light of the tone of this thread for the last 2 weeks.
The Bills Defense was 3rd in the NFL as a 4-3 when the "Defensive Genius" took over. The "Genius" decided he needed to implement a different system, even though he didn't have the appropriate personnel to implement it. Then he spent the next two years tearing the D apart and trying to make them play his way.
Disco has done exactly the same thing, in the view of many posters here. Bylsma has insisted that players play his system, instead of playing to their natural skills. poop, after crowning Mario Williams king for even coming here, and then watching him have an AMAZING year, we ran him out of town because his skills weren't suited to the 3-4 that Rex implemented.
If he's a (frank)ing GENIUS, why can't he just tweak the system that was 3rd in the league when he got here?
More importantly, from my perspective, why can't somebody tell this story to goddamn Bylsma so he will just let the Sabres play the way their skills say they should. - Der Kaiser
Simple answer really.
He doesn't run that system...had he kept Schwartz and the two of them got together a little bit and created the ultimate hybrid they probably would be an 11 win team right now with a very beatable Jets team left to play.
For all of Taylor's faults the offense was not the problem.
Firing Greg Roman was actually a smart move. The offense was no where to be found in week 1 and should have put up 50 against that Jets team.
But Rex's ego got in his way and the defense was terrible.
Both Miami games, the Ravens and Jets games should have been victories. There are your 11 wins at this point. Roman was not a good OC for Taylor I think a full offseason with Lynn would be nothing but good for Tyrod.
But now we will never know. Lynn will have interest around the league and I wouldn't be surprised if he takes a job else where. Who in their right mind would want to deal with Whaley?
Only way I see any glimmer of hope is if nobody serious wants this job and finally Pegula calls up a Couglin or Polian and gets them on board and Whaley gets booted
Edit: Mario was a goner regardless though, especially judging how his season in Miami is going it was the right call
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Dec 28 @ 5:16 PM ET
Simple answer really.
He doesn't run that system...had he kept Schwartz and the two of them got together a little bit and created the ultimate hybrid they probably would be an 11 win team right now with a very beatable Jets team left to play.
For all of Taylor's faults the offense was not the problem.
Firing Greg Roman was actually a smart move. The offense was no where to be found in week 1 and should have put up 50 against that Jets team.
But Rex's ego got in his way and the defense was terrible.
Both Miami games, the Ravens and Jets games should have been victories. There are your 11 wins at this point. Roman was not a good OC for Taylor I think a full offseason with Lynn would be nothing but good for Tyrod.
But now we will never know. Lynn will have interest around the league and I wouldn't be surprised if he takes a job else where. Who in their right mind would want to deal with Whaley?
Only way I see any glimmer of hope is if nobody serious wants this job and finally Pegula calls up a Couglin or Polian and gets them on board and Whaley gets booted
Edit: Mario was a goner regardless though, especially judging how his season in Miami is going it was the right call - Stripes77
He doesn't run that system...had he kept Schwartz and the two of them got together a little bit and created the ultimate hybrid they probably would be an 11 win team right now with a very beatable Jets team left to play.
For all of Taylor's faults the offense was not the problem.
Firing Greg Roman was actually a smart move. The offense was no where to be found in week 1 and should have put up 50 against that Jets team.
But Rex's ego got in his way and the defense was terrible.
Both Miami games, the Ravens and Jets games should have been victories. There are your 11 wins at this point. Roman was not a good OC for Taylor I think a full offseason with Lynn would be nothing but good for Tyrod.
But now we will never know. Lynn will have interest around the league and I wouldn't be surprised if he takes a job else where. Who in their right mind would want to deal with Whaley?
Only way I see any glimmer of hope is if nobody serious wants this job and finally Pegula calls up a Couglin or Polian and gets them on board and Whaley gets booted
Edit: Mario was a goner regardless though, especially judging how his season in Miami is going it was the right call - Stripes77
that seattle game was there for the taking and so was the pitt game if they had a real defense they would have at least 13 wins
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Dec 28 @ 5:25 PM ET
that seattle game was there for the taking and so was the pitt game if they had a real defense they would have at least 13 wins - gordong
I think that's being a bit generous, but you could also throw in the Raiders game. Had the Raiders not marched down the field and scored right away who knows what the offense would have done.
Again should haves could haves it's the Buffalo Sports way...
I think that's being a bit generous, but you could also throw in the Raiders game. Had the Raiders not marched down the field and scored right away who knows what the offense would have done.
Again should haves could haves it's the Buffalo Sports way... - Stripes77
The Buffalo News' Vic Carucci reports "every indication from within One Bills Drive" is that Buffalo has settled on promoting OC Anthony Lynn to head coach in 2017.
According to Carucci, the Bills aren't going to get serious outside interest in the head-coaching post because prospective "big-name" candidates don't want to work with GM Doug Whaley. As the leader of the "search," Whaley's job appears secure, and he will maintain control of the 53-man roster. That won't fly with guys like Josh McDaniels, Jon Gruden, Tom Coughlin, and any other "name" candidate. McDaniels allegedly has interest, but he wants control of the roster. Lynn would be getting his first coaching opportunity, so he'd be in no position to make those demands. He's the heavy favorite in the clubhouse for the full-time gig.
Why make the team better, just keep Whaley . What a joke - SABRES 89
Keep Josh McDaniels the (frank) away from the Bills, he's dogpoop as a head coach. If he wants to be the offensive coordinator, great, fine. But he almost ruined Denver before they finally came to their senses and canned his ass. Being Tom Brady's O-coordinator doesn't mean Richard. If he was Brock Osweiler's O-coordinator and the Texans were a top 5 offense then sure, but, grudgingly, Brady is the best ever. Brady is the real coordinator of that offense.
I think Gruden is probably the best fit of those three.
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Dec 28 @ 5:42 PM ET
that seattle game was there for the taking and so was the pitt game if they had a real defense they would have at least 13 wins - gordong
Really?
The defense is the reason we scored only 7 on Baltimore?
The defense had the ball in their hands with 4 plays to score a TD against Seattle?
Did the defense decide to run a trick play reverse to Reggie Bush, then subsequently miss the FG in OT against the Fins?
The defense sucked for a lot of the season, no doubt, but the offense did too in key situations in games.
We were one of the worst teams in the league in going 3 and out for a majority of the year. Constantly putting the defense on the field after 3 plays is a recipe for disaster
there were only 4 players in play for the top 3 picks, from EVERY DRAFT ANALYST
ekblad
reinhart
bennett
draisaitl - homiedclown
But, Pastrnak!
It totally doesn't matter that only a few guys were going to be picked, he should be judged against everyone, no matter where they were picked, even if it's some guy who was picked in the 4th round that comes out of nowhere to be the next Ovechkin. Why didn't the Sabres pick him!? They (frank)ing suck!!.
If you couldn't tell, I'm being facetious.
But to be serious for a second Central Scouting had Bennett ahead of Reinhart. And it was always "which Sam will they take?" Ekblad wasn't going to be taken. It was going to be a Sam.
