Coming your way
- LeftCoaster

no

I think you should have an idea of their personality and skill by 20 but lots of factors still determine whether they can reach that potential. The biggest obstacle Jake has had to overcome is poor handling by his mgmt.

I find it funny that I was one of the ones on here quite down on Jake when he was picked but now one of the few, seemingly, that still think he will end up fine.

I also never thought he would more than a Brouwer type player though.
- belcherbd

Stop making excuses for JV. He hasn't been successful because of his commitment not coaching or managment

'94 TL Bure MacLean also in game 7 without a Preident trophy winner
'82 squeaked in & made the finals.

Make the playoffs is what counts. What happens is next.
- Nighthawk

I disagree, history has shown, and it's well documented, the higher you finish in the standings the greater your chances are of winning.

If you continually put yourself in a position to succeed, at some point you probably will.

I disagree, history has shown, and it's well documented, the higher you finish in the standings the greater your chances are of winning.

If you continually put yourself in a position to succeed, at some point you probably will.
- LeftCoaster

I disagree.

A hot goalie & healthy players win cups.

Stop making excuses for JV. He hasn't been successful because of his commitment not coaching or managment
- CanuckDon

Management and ownership own it too, they should have never kept him up last year and he should've spent this whole year in the AHL, that's on them.

I disagree.

A hot goalie & healthy players win cups.
- Nighthawk

you should research it then because you're wrong. Although a hot goalie win certainly help your cause.

Management and ownership own it too, they should have never kept him up last year and he should've spent this whole year in the AHL, that's on them.
- LeftCoaster

Very true & showed the true state we were in & what GM MG left us with.

Management and ownership own it too, they should have never kept him up last year and he should've spent this whole year in the AHL, that's on them.
- LeftCoaster

He played well last year. Stop using hindsight to validate all of your posts. Everyone on here thought he would score 10-15 in the NHL thiS year. He came to camp fat. That's on JV

you should research it then because you're wrong. Although a hot goalie win certainly help your cause.
- LeftCoaster

Research? Look at the past 6-7 cup winners say no more.

Coming your way
- LeftCoaster

probably same odds as vantel making playoffs

LAK & Bruins win nothing without Quick & Thomas just for starters.
Hawks & Pens stars all healthy for the others not to mention in goal.

He played well last year. Stop using hindsight to validate all of your posts. Everyone on here thought he would score 10-15 in the NHL thiS year. He came to camp fat. That's on JV
- CanuckDon

He didn't play well last year, he played well the last two months of the year, that's not a whole year. Stop letting your Pom-poms cloud your vision. He should've been sent back to junior.

Do we beat the Bruins if Kesler & Burrows don't have bum shoulders?
Or Salo didn't take one in the jewels?
What about if Naslund did not have a broken leg in another season?

He didn't play well last year, he played well the last two months of the year, that's not a whole year. Stop letting your Pom-poms cloud your vision. He should've been sent back to junior.
- LeftCoaster

Agree. In Utica he sat also in the playoffs. Conditioning he is lazy at for certain.

Research? Look at the past 6-7 cup winners say no more.
- Nighthawk

NHL Playoff Seedings & Stanley Cup Wins

"Tweaks to the playoff seeding system prior to the 1994 regular season awarded division winners with the top three spots in each conference, saving the final five positions for the next highest finishing teams. In the 21 seasons since, a division champion has made it to the Stanley Cup Finals every year but three (2012, 2014, 2015), winning 15 of 21 times."

Year Stanley Cup Final Matchup
2015 (4) Chicago over (3) Tampa Bay
2014 (6) Los Angeles over (5) New York*
2013 (1) Chicago over (4) Boston
2012 (8) Los Angeles over (6) New Jersey
2011 (3) Boston over (1) Vancouver
2010 (2) Chicago over (7) Philadelphia
2009 (4) Pittsburgh over (2) Detroit
2008 (1) Detroit over (2) Pittsburgh
2007 (2) Anaheim over (4) Ottawa
2006 (2) Carolina over (8) Edmonton
2004 (1) Tampa Bay over (6) Calgary
2003 (2) New Jersey over (7) Anaheim
2002 (1) Detroit over (3) Carolina
2001 (1) Colorado over (1) New Jersey
2000 (4) New Jersey over (2) Dallas
1999 (1) Dallas over (7) Buffalo
1998 (2) Detroit over (4) Washington
1997 (3) Detroit over (2) Philadelphia
1996 (2) Colorado over (4) Florida
1995 (5) New Jersey over (1) Detroit
1994 (1) New York* over (7) Vancouver


The numbers represent where you finished in your conference. Ok how many 6-7-8 Conference positions do you see on the left side? Left side won! I see two, same team, since the present format came about.

That took four minutes to look up. Again, the higher you finish in the standings the greater your chance of winning a Cup are.

Stop making excuses for JV. He hasn't been successful because of his commitment not coaching or managment
- CanuckDon

Didn't he train all season under mgmts guidance? Sure he needs to take some responsibility but mgmt put him in a tough place last year and the beginning of the season.

Much like this group's latest snafu, they hope for the best but don't plan for the worst.

He didn't play well last year, he played well the last two months of the year, that's not a whole year. Stop letting your Pom-poms cloud your vision. He should've been sent back to junior.
- LeftCoaster

My Pom poms? I'm being critical of the kid. He played pretty well for a 19 year old kid and I don't remember you complaining about having him on the team. Regrettably, I'm not a hindsight champion like yourself...that just reminded me of captain hindsight aka Lefty from South Park

Didn't he train all season under mgmts guidance? Sure he needs to take some responsibility but mgmt put him in a tough place last year and the beginning of the season.

Much like this group's latest snafu, they hope for the best but don't plan for the worst.
- belcherbd

Yes, and he showed inmrovenent throughout the season. He was training under the Sedins all summer so perhaps they are at fault? Inadequate mentors. The only thing we can all agree on is that Jake is in no way at fault for his regression

you should research it then because you're wrong. Although a hot goalie win certainly help your cause.
- LeftCoaster

You are right on odds of better placed teams but Nighthawk is right about needs. Almost any team that is healthy and has a hot goalie can win that 16 team 4 round tournament.

My Pom poms? I'm being critical of the kid. He played pretty well for a 19 year old kid and I don't remember you complaining about having him on the team. Regrettably, I'm not a hindsight champion like yourself...that just reminded me of captain hindsight aka Lefty from South Park
- CanuckDon

Two things at play, new management wanting to show the fan base they're getting younger, and two, keeping him and McCann up when they should've obviously been sent down.

Management has accountability here whether you like it or not. You're wrong.

Jake has the most accountability though...so you're right there.

NHL Playoff Seedings & Stanley Cup Wins

"Tweaks to the playoff seeding system prior to the 1994 regular season awarded division winners with the top three spots in each conference, saving the final five positions for the next highest finishing teams. In the 21 seasons since, a division champion has made it to the Stanley Cup Finals every year but three (2012, 2014, 2015), winning 15 of 21 times."

Year Stanley Cup Final Matchup
2015 (4) Chicago over (3) Tampa Bay
2014 (6) Los Angeles over (5) New York*
2013 (1) Chicago over (4) Boston
2012 (8) Los Angeles over (6) New Jersey
2011 (3) Boston over (1) Vancouver
2010 (2) Chicago over (7) Philadelphia
2009 (4) Pittsburgh over (2) Detroit
2008 (1) Detroit over (2) Pittsburgh
2007 (2) Anaheim over (4) Ottawa
2006 (2) Carolina over (8) Edmonton
2004 (1) Tampa Bay over (6) Calgary
2003 (2) New Jersey over (7) Anaheim
2002 (1) Detroit over (3) Carolina
2001 (1) Colorado over (1) New Jersey
2000 (4) New Jersey over (2) Dallas
1999 (1) Dallas over (7) Buffalo
1998 (2) Detroit over (4) Washington
1997 (3) Detroit over (2) Philadelphia
1996 (2) Colorado over (4) Florida
1995 (5) New Jersey over (1) Detroit
1994 (1) New York* over (7) Vancouver


The numbers represent where you finished in your conference. Ok how many 6-7-8 Conference positions do you see on the left side? Left side won! I see two, same team, since the present format came about.

That took four minutes to look up. Again, the higher you finish in the standings the greater your chance of winning a Cup are.
- LeftCoaster

How many hot goalies do u see?
None of those teams win the finals without one.
Some only win due to goaltending.
Without that & the healthier roster its all moot.
President Trophy winners says much when rarely win.

How many hot goalies do u see?
None of those teams win the finals without one.
Some only win due to goaltending.
Without that & the healthier roster ist moot.
President Trophy winners says much when rarely win.
- Nighthawk

What does that have to do with your original comment on squeaking into the playoffs and winning a Cup? Facts are you don't win 99.9% of the time unless you had a very good regular season.

Rarely? Almost 40% of PT winners make the finals and 26% of them win the Cup....that's not rarely in my books.

"Of the 30 recipients through 2016, eleven (38%) qualified for the Final and eight (26%) won the Stanley Cup"

Two things at play, new management wanting to show the fan base they're getting younger, and two, keeping him and McCann up when they should've obviously been sent down.

Management has accountability here whether you like it or not. You're wrong.

Jake has the most accountability though...so you're right there.
- LeftCoaster

Sure, lots of blame to go around...1) Aquilini 2) jake 3) Linden and Benning. Personally, I was pleased jake stayed all year. He was solid after the WJC. With the benefit of extraordinary hindsight, I would have preferred he stay in junior

Agree. In Utica he sat also in the playoffs. Conditioning he is lazy at for certain.
- Nighthawk

He was young and raw from junior then so not used much. But hey isn't his conditioning now no lomger an issue at this point in the season?

Sure, lots of blame to go around...1) Aquilini 2) jake 3) Linden and Benning. Personally, I was pleased jake stayed all year. He was solid after the WJC. With the benefit of extraordinary hindsight, I would have preferred he stay in junior
- CanuckDon

He's got be in shape now. So, whatever his stumble and who's to blame it begs a question. Would you take JV in this line up now over Skille, Chaput, Megna, Guance and Burrows? At the start of the season we would say yes. Even after what we have seen so far I would still say yes.

For me, I would rather see him playing with Sedins, Bo or Sutter over any of them. Add in Rodin and Boucher too while at it. Keep Burr and Guance/Skille rotating in. That would be the best forward line up I can see Canucks having now.