I agree they have made strides, but EDM still won McDavid. Could you imagine where they would be without him right now, and say with Eichel? They wouldn't be the same. I never got rewarded with new Roller Blades as a kid for failing Math... Why hell should we even give the opportunity for a bad franchise to continually get rewarded for being sh*tty. Like I said, they have made strides to try and avoid it, but put a block on teams from being able to draft 1OA if they have in the last 5 or 6 years, and it would make things a little more fair.
- Codes1087

They can delute the weight given to bottom teams more for the lotto picks. Spread it out more evenly to teams missing playoffs. That will make the fairness for being rewarded for being crappy more fair. Plus discourage intentional tanking and producing a bad product even more.

They can delute the weight given to bottom teams more for the lotto picks. Spread it out more evenly to teams missing playoffs. That will make the fairness for being rewarded for being crappy more fair. Plus discourage intentional tanking and producing a bad product even more.
- Nuck4U

Simpler to remove a team from 1OA lottery for the next 3 years.

A new lottery twist for an idea to ponder....


Lottery draw is 24hrs before the draft.
Creates a flurry of action IMO

I agree they have made strides, but EDM still won McDavid. Could you imagine where they would be without him right now, and say with Eichel? They wouldn't be the same. I never got rewarded with new Roller Blades as a kid for failing Math... Why hell should we even give the opportunity for a bad franchise to continually get rewarded for being sh*tty. Like I said, they have made strides to try and avoid it, but put a block on teams from being able to draft 1OA if they have in the last 5 or 6 years, and it would make things a little more fair.
- Codes1087

Edm won McDavid because of blind ass luck. It happens and could still happen to any team and I don't have an issue with that. The whole point of the draft is to allow bad team the players to improve, I don't see how limiting teams from getting multiple picks is fair....it's just sour grapes.

Edm won McDavid because of blind ass luck. It happens and could still happen to any team and I don't have an issue with that. The whole point of the draft is to allow bad team the players to improve, I don't see how limiting teams from getting multiple picks is fair....it's just sour grapes.
- belcherbd

Yes sour grapes👍👍

I have a feeling the tank nation avatar will come back before the end of this road trip...

They can delute the weight given to bottom teams more for the lotto picks. Spread it out more evenly to teams missing playoffs. That will make the fairness for being rewarded for being crappy more fair. Plus discourage intentional tanking and producing a bad product even more.
- Nuck4U

The changes, they just instituted did exactly what you are suggesting.

I have a feeling the tank nation avatar will come back before the end of this road trip...
- djlarose

The way we r playing its moot lol
No signs for other optimism on the horizon.

I have a feeling the tank nation avatar will come back before the end of this road trip...
- djlarose

Is that the same one as trade them all? No need for a tank if you just can't win.
#extendWD .... #teardownsell...

Edm won McDavid because of blind ass luck. It happens and could still happen to any team and I don't have an issue with that. The whole point of the draft is to allow bad team the players to improve, I don't see how limiting teams from getting multiple picks is fair....it's just sour grapes.
- belcherbd

I agree its to help teams, regardless of how well they are managed. Parity is important to the league and should be important to fans too IMO

That being said, with the growing annual push for tanking from all bad teams, I would be in favour of implementing one of the anti-playoffs theories that were floating around a few years back. Either points accumulated after playoff elimination to determine draft or lottery order, or a mini tournament of teams not in the playoffs to determine draft or lottery order.

I think currently the incentive is to bottom out if you are bad, whereas these other theories push bad teams to strive for mediocrity before they get rewarded. Plus as fans you can have meaningful games near the end of the year

What's worse?

A coach that has a golden child that stays in the lineup regardless of play (WD with Vey, Megna) or a coach that puts people in the dog house (Torts with Hansen) and doesn't give them a chance.
- dbot

That's an interesting way to present it...

The changes, they just instituted did exactly what you are suggesting.
- belcherbd

You missed the MORE part so as to balance things out in the direction of fairness Codes was talking about. No need for any radical change just add to that model. Why I said dilute the weight more.

If you want extra additions then extend lotto from 3 to top 5 picks. Most valued right? So if you finished last you could pick as low as 6th. Still bad teams can get help but less incentive to stink. Make competing more valuable even though playoffs may be a pipe dream.

I agree its to help teams, regardless of how well they are managed. Parity is important to the league and should be important to fans too IMO

That being said, with the growing annual push for tanking from all bad teams, I would be in favour of implementing one of the anti-playoffs theories that were floating around a few years back. Either points accumulated after playoff elimination to determine draft or lottery order, or a mini tournament of teams not in the playoffs to determine draft or lottery order.

I think currently the incentive is to bottom out if you are bad, whereas these other theories push bad teams to strive for mediocrity before they get rewarded. Plus as fans you can have meaningful games near the end of the year
- WhiteLie

The current system might not work, but we really haven't given it time yet. Last year was the first year with the new rules. Add in the Vegas expansion and the draft odds have changed pretty significantly from 3 years ago.

We have really only see 2 teams "tank" on purpose in recent years, the Sabres who were not rewarded and Leafs who were.

The pens won Crosby after being bad but they way it was set up, basing it off the past 3 years of standings was more a reflection of how bad they were opposed to them tanking.

You missed the MORE part so as to balance things out in the direction of fairness Codes was talking about. No need for any radical change just add to that model. Why I said dilute the weight more.

If you want extra additions then extend lotto from 3 to top 5 picks. Most valued right? So if you finished last you could pick as low as 6th. Still bad teams can get help but less incentive to stink. Make competing more valuable even though playoffs may be pipe dream.
- Nuck4U

My point is more, give the current rules some time before deciding to change it again.

The current system might not work, but we really haven't given it time yet. Last year was the first year with the new rules. Add in the Vegas expansion and the draft odds have changed pretty significantly from 3 years ago.

We have really only see 2 teams "tank" on purpose in recent years, the Sabres who were not rewarded and Leafs who were.

The pens won Crosby after being bad but they way it was set up, basing it off the past 3 years of standings was more a reflection of how bad they were opposed to them tanking.
- belcherbd

The Pens tank was the most blatant in history😂😂

The current system might not work, but we really haven't given it time yet. Last year was the first year with the new rules. Add in the Vegas expansion and the draft odds have changed pretty significantly from 3 years ago.

We have really only see 2 teams "tank" on purpose in recent years, the Sabres who were not rewarded and Leafs who were.

The pens won Crosby after being bad but they way it was set up, basing it off the past 3 years of standings was more a reflection of how bad they were opposed to them tanking.
- belcherbd

I think the new system will work to deter deliberate tanking, but as you know in these threads the call for the Sedins to leave so the team can finally drop from mediocre and properly rebuild with a top 3 pick. Thats what I meant by the current system still provides incentive to bottom out

I think those other systems would prevent the "start from scratch" mentality and actually give us fans something to care about all season. I hate the idea of the Canucks not trying to win every night or avoiding good UFA's because they need to lose games to get those needed higher picks to be successful. Sadly I have come to accept the fact that the next couple seasons will be poor quality hockey because it will better serve them long term

The Pens tank was the most blatant in history😂😂
- Nighthawk

For Mario, yes.

Tanking for Crosby wouldn't of accomplished anything, they were going to get 3 ball regardless of where they finished as long as they didn't make the playoffs. Unless they started tanking 3 season before Crosby was drafted and somehow knew that their was going to a lockout and subsequent draft lottery with those rules.

My point is more, give the current rules some time before deciding to change it again.
- belcherbd

I understand that and we have a small sample size. But we saw how last season worked. It still encouraged bombing. Not changing the rules by taking same model and tweaking it. It may encourage more trading to get draft picks as well among teams. If teams knew they had equal weight at the lotto picks for missing the playoffs they would all compete more throughout the season.

I think we have officially hit rock bottom. Todays biggest topics are Megna Boucher and if we trade Burrows and Hansen.

We can't even get the part of a tear down right . How hard is that and how can a team screw that up so badly

I am not angry I am just laughing at how far we have sank.


Bobby Mac doesn't think Nolan Patrick is a number one center and maybe not even a number two.

Speculation on the radio today that Benning may be scouting that Swedish Dman as our top pick.

I agree the best thing is losing right now . Grab a top 5 pick and try and trade for another pick

The Pens tank was the most blatant in history😂😂
- Nighthawk

I don't know man...Buffalo and TO the past few years are epic tanks...

I think the new system will work to deter deliberate tanking, but as you know in these threads the call for the Sedins to leave so the team can finally drop from mediocre and properly rebuild with a top 3 pick. Thats what I meant by the current system still provides incentive to bottom out

I think those other systems would prevent the "start from scratch" mentality and actually give us fans something to care about all season. I hate the idea of the Canucks not trying to win every night or avoiding good UFA's because they need to lose games to get those needed higher picks to be successful. Sadly I have come to accept the fact that the next couple seasons will be poor quality hockey because it will better serve them long term
- WhiteLie

I think there will always be incentive to bottom out, but at least now the odds make it much harder to get those top 3 picks.

We've see it now 2 years in a row where some really bad teams have gotten screwed and some decent teams have been rewarded.

in 2015 Edm went from 3 to 1 but Fla went from 2 to 11
Last year we went from 3 to 5 and Wpg went from 6 to 2

Everyone crying about Louie's production. What about Daniel? Guy has been non existent for 2 months now.

I understand that and we have a small sample size. But we saw how last season worked. It still encouraged bombing. Not changing the rules by taking same model and tweaking it. It may encourage more trading to get draft picks as well among teams. If teams knew they had equal weight at the lotto picks for missing the playoffs they would all compete more throughout the season.
- Nuck4U

Who is bombing on purpose this year?

We suck at sucking

I think we have officially hit rock bottom. Todays biggest topics are Megna Boucher and if we trade Burrows and Hansen.

We can't even get the part of a tear down right . How hard is that and how can a team screw that up so badly

I am not angry I am just laughing at how far we have sank.


Bobby Mac doesn't think Nolan Patrick is a number one center and maybe not even a number two.

Speculation on the radio today that Benning may be scouting that Swedish Dman as our top pick.

I agree the best thing is losing right now . Grab a top 5 pick and try and trade for as many other picks as we can
- VANTEL

fixed!
#top5pick