Leon scores more 5v5 per60 without him.
Posting corsi numbers doesn't change those scoring rates
- HB77

He scores at an average 2.66/60. With McJeezy 3.11/60 without 2.33/60. All numbers 5 v 5.

First.

Iggy, Jero, HB, JB, Reveen, Laughs, Schwein and of course GiftOfGod...

Let the sucking of it commence.

EDIT: Bobby you too.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Ready to suck, sir...

SUCK IT MATT HENDERSON!!

are you just posting goals per60 while matt posted points ? Which wouldn't change matts point at all and still shows that Leon gets more points without Connor.
- HB77

His CF% and CA% are also worse without McJeezy. Not sure where any other numbers are coming from.

SUCK IT WILDSCHWEIN YOU PIG.

AND IGGYSBFF SUCK IT YOU LITTLE GOBLIN

He scores at an average 2.66/60. With McJeezy 3.11/60 without 2.33/60. All numbers 5 v 5.
- Mr.Bobby

Goals or points ?

I love Drai too. But take him off the pp with McDavid and he struggled as much as others. Ive said it before. It's great that he compliments McDavid well. It's not always easy to find players that mesh with superstars. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. But don't try to make it out to be something it's not. The numbers I posted show he is far better with McDavjd than without. And McDavid is just as good or better without him.
- Iggysbff

Incorrect. The very same numbers you posted suggest differently- at least on offense. His numbers sans McDavid are 2.33 GF/60 which is a good rate of scoring. Compared to those others you mention who have struggled:

Lucic- 1.39 GF/60 and 2.78 GA/60

Eberle- 1.79 GF/60 and 2.07 GA/60

Nuge- 1.59 Gf/60 and 2.46 GA/60

So matts numbers are incorrect ?


Matt you got some 'splainin to do
- HB77

I specifically only looked at production from Leon & McDavid. Not On-Ice goals for, which really shouldn't be overlooked either. I think Iggy makes a compelling argument, though I have a feeling a deeper dive might show that 29 w/o 97 means he's with Lucic and that's a huge drag on 5v5 scoring

Most importantly Drai's GF/60:

With Larsson 3.30
Without Larsson 2.30

Goals or points ?
- HB77

Goals.

"Leon Draisaitl has a 1.77 P/60 5v5 this season. When he’s with McDavid it dips ever so slightly to 1.73 P/60 (347 minutes) and when he’s without McDavid it floats a little higher to 1.81 P/60 (464 minutes)."


So these numbers are incorrect ?

Goals.
- Mr.Bobby

So you guys changed the argument to fit your narrative !
That was never debated.


I was curious as to why he wouldn't flat out call matts numbers wrong

I don't really care one way or another. Just thought it was interesting .

I didn't 'tell you' anything

Take issue with matt if you don't like his numbers.

What I read from the article is that in a 5 on 5 situation per every 60 minutes Leon draisaitl has a higher scoring rate playing without mcdavid than he does with .


Are you implying that's matts numbers are wrong ?
I haven't looked so they very well may be. But I doubt it


Also, Leon scoring on the pp is a good thing not a bad thing
- HB77

The numbers Igg-nog is using are the same numbers I would use, so if that's worth anything, they get my approval. I don't fully agree with the conclusions he's drawing from them, but that's fine.

I don't know where Matt gets his numbers from as the only number I've found is his initial. 1.77 5-on-5 P/60. I presume he's not utilizing GF/60 and GA/60 as they don't paint as accurate and specific of a picture as can be made with individual P/60. I'll have to look further to see if I can find a resource with these numbers.

"Leon Draisaitl has a 1.77 P/60 5v5 this season. When he’s with McDavid it dips ever so slightly to 1.73 P/60 (347 minutes) and when he’s without McDavid it floats a little higher to 1.81 P/60 (464 minutes)."


So these numbers are incorrect ?
- HB77

That's points, which are essentially flat (difference of 0.08 per 60) with or without McDavid.

His goals scored per 60 jumps sharply without McDavid. This makes sense, since he probably picks up a bunch of assists when on the ice with McJeezy, but is the primary goal scorer when he is not on ice with Mcjeezy.

Any way around it, Drais numbers are very good in most situations, regardless of who is on ice with him.

"Leon Draisaitl has a 1.77 P/60 5v5 this season. When he’s with McDavid it dips ever so slightly to 1.73 P/60 (347 minutes) and when he’s without McDavid it floats a little higher to 1.81 P/60 (464 minutes)."


So these numbers are incorrect ?
- HB77

So you guys changed the argument to fit your narrative !
That was never debated.


I was curious as to why he wouldn't flat out call matts numbers wrong

I don't really care one way or another. Just thought it was interesting .
- HB77

I don't have a narrative, just pointing out the numbers Iggy posted were correct.

I specifically only looked at production from Leon & McDavid. Not On-Ice goals for, which really shouldn't be overlooked either. I think Iggy makes a compelling argument, though I have a feeling a deeper dive might show that 29 w/o 97 means he's with Lucic and that's a huge drag on 5v5 scoring
- Matt_Henderson

Okay, that's good to confirm. Which site do you use, if you don't mind my asking?

Most importantly Drai's GF/60:

With Larsson 3.30
Without Larsson 2.30
- Mr.Bobby

So one could reasonably assume it's Larsson he needs to be played with all the time !!

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Advanced stats are infallible !

- laughs2907

I don't have a narrative, just pointing out the numbers Iggy posted were correct.
- Mr.Bobby

Yeah my bad


But no more correct than matts numbers were

- Mr.Bobby

The numbers Igg-nog is using are the same numbers I would use, so if that's worth anything, they get my approval. I don't fully agree with the conclusions he's drawing from them, but that's fine.

I don't know where Matt gets his numbers from as the only number I've found is his initial. 1.77 5-on-5 P/60. I presume he's not utilizing GF/60 and GA/60 as they don't paint as accurate and specific of a picture as can be made with individual P/60. I'll have to look further to see if I can find a resource with these numbers.
- MaximumBone

Leon is a helluva player.
With or without Connor.

I don't need fancies to tell me that

Yeah my bad


But no more correct than matts numbers were
- HB77

True, but I think Iggys show the more drastic difference, a difference of (0.08) points per 60 without McJeezy really is very, very slight you are talking about a 1 point difference per 750 minutes played.

The goals for are more drastic.

Leon is a helluva player.
With or without Connor.

I don't need fancies to tell me that
- HB77

Precisely

True, but I think Iggys show the more drastic difference, a difference of (0.08) points per 60 without McJeezy really is very, very slight you are talking about a 1 point difference per 750 minutes played.

The goals for are more drastic.
- Mr.Bobby

The issue isn't points Vs goals here; it's points/60 at 5-on-5 of an individual player Vs goals for/60 of the entire team when a particular player is on the ice. That's why the difference is so drastic.