Incorrect. The very same numbers you posted suggest differently- at least on offense. His numbers sans McDavid are 2.33 GF/60 which is a good rate of scoring. Compared to those others you mention who have struggled:

Lucic- 1.39 GF/60 and 2.78 GA/60

Eberle- 1.79 GF/60 and 2.07 GA/60

Nuge- 1.59 Gf/60 and 2.46 GA/60
- MaximumBone

He has been better than them at evens. I was specifically speaking on that point about pp. Everyone scores better on the 1 st pp with McDavid than on the second unit without.

But I don't have numbers to back that up and it would take more effort than it's worth.

Alex DeBrincat

NHL Draft - CHI (2016) Round: 2 (#39)

102 points in 49 games (plus 53)

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You did it again, Chicago... You filthy bastards

The issue isn't points Vs goals here; it's points/60 at 5-on-5 of an individual player Vs goals for/60 of the entire team when a particular player is on the ice. That's why the difference is so drastic.
- MaximumBone

Oh I get that, I'm just trying to point out that Leons point performance is essentially the same whether he is on ice with or without McDavid.

But there is a large difference in goal scoring (team and personal) when he is on without.

Thirdly I had to point out the the true dynamic duo magic happens when Larsson and Leon are together.

Oh I get that, I'm just trying to point out that Leons point performance is essentially the same whether he is on ice with or without McDavid.

But there is a large difference in goal scoring (team and personal) when he is on without.

Thirdly I had to point out the the true dynamic duo magic happens when Larsson and Leon are together.
- Mr.Bobby

It's not even fair to the other NHL teams when Lord Larsson is out there... It shouldn't even be allowed.

It's not even fair to the other NHL teams when Lord Larsson is out there... It shouldn't even be allowed.
- laughs2907

Dude, McJeezy totally owes his pending Art Ross to Lord Adam.

GF when McDavid gets to play with Larsson= 3.89
GF when he does not= 2.30

Oh I get that, I'm just trying to point out that Leons point performance is essentially the same whether he is on ice with or without McDavid.

But there is a large difference in goal scoring (team and personal) when he is on without.

Thirdly I had to point out the the true dynamic duo magic happens when Larsson and Leon are together.
- Mr.Bobby

Alex DeBrincat

NHL Draft - CHI (2016) Round: 2 (#39)

102 points in 49 games (plus 53)

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You did it again, Chicago... You filthy bastards
- laughs2907

We'll see. He's 5'7 and 170lbs soaking wet so it'll remain to be seen if he can keep it up in leagues where his skating ability is just normal. He has the right mentality, but that can only carry you so far. Case and point, Connor Garland:

http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=177208

Dude, McJeezy totally owes his pending Art Ross to Lord Adam.

GF when McDavid gets to play with Larsson= 3.89
GF when he does not= 2.30
- Mr.Bobby

Not surprised at all. Prince Adam of Eternia has the power.

Most importantly Drai's GF/60:

With Larsson 3.30
Without Larsson 2.30
- Mr.Bobby

I notice you left out the GA60 numbers though...

We'll see. He's 5'7 and 170lbs soaking wet so it'll remain to be seen if he can keep it up in leagues where his skating ability is just normal. He has the right mentality, but that can only carry you so far. Case and point, Connor Garland:

http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=177208
- MaximumBone

Exactly. Remember that time Reid Boucher scored 60 goals?

Oh I get that, I'm just trying to point out that Leons point performance is essentially the same whether he is on ice with or without McDavid.

But there is a large difference in goal scoring (team and personal) when he is on without.

Thirdly I had to point out the the true dynamic duo magic happens when Larsson and Leon are together.
- Mr.Bobby

Same or slightly better are virtually the same in this instance

It just debunks the myth that Leon can't produce without Connor.
Which by matts numbers are cleArly and totally without merit

As far as Larsson- seems he's the real catalyst

I notice you left out the GA60 numbers though...
- Iggysbff

It's called confirmation bias Iggy. Don't blab out my secrets.

All this crap about whos better with/without who cares. What i care about is a team that plays together and looks out for eachother. Like that beautiful late hit on Manning by Drai. Two minutes well worth it.

We'll see. He's 5'7 and 170lbs soaking wet so it'll remain to be seen if he can keep it up in leagues where his skating ability is just normal. He has the right mentality, but that can only carry you so far. Case and point, Connor Garland:

http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=177208
- MaximumBone

It's not the size of the vessel... It's the motion in the ocean.

It's not how far you cast your line, it's how you jiggle your bait.

Dude, McJeezy totally owes his pending Art Ross to Lord Adam.

GF when McDavid gets to play with Larsson= 3.89
GF when he does not= 2.30
- Mr.Bobby

Once again...You left out the fact that when on together they get scored on twice as much as when McJeezy is without.

Once again...You left out the fact that when on together they get scored on twice as much as when McJeezy is without.
- Iggysbff

Shhhhhhh

Exactly. Remember that time Reid Boucher scored 60 goals?
- Mr.Bobby

His was a different case, though. Debrincat and Garland are noted as strong skaters while Boucher had the issue Eberle had in that his skating was only average in the juniors. Eberle worked hard to improve it to ensure it wasn't among the worst in the NHL while Boucher didn't.

All this crap about whos better with/without who cares. What i care about is a team that plays together and looks out for eachother. Like that beautiful late hit on Manning by Drai. Two minutes well worth it.
- time2produce

Those of us who care about the nuanced details of the sport and like trying to extrapolate why certain players succeed together and why others don't? It's the pursuit of knowledge.

Those of us who care about the nuanced details of the sport and like trying to extrapolate why certain players succeed together and why others don't? It's the pursuit of knowledge.
- MaximumBone

I guess but i focus that knowledge at work and come here for fun. Different strokes for different folks. This is fun not life....

Are the facts I posted incorrect? Do they not show Drai greatly benefiting from McDavid and not the other way around?
- Iggysbff

How the hell would I know? I've tried to make sense of stats but numbers aren't exactly my forte.
My post was strictly in reference to the fact that I knew you'd have a counter argument to Matts numbers. And you did. I wasn't insinuating that you would be wrong.

I guess but i focus that knowledge at work and come here for fun. Different strokes for different folks. This is fun not life....
- time2produce

Fair enough. I've always found that pursuit to be enjoyable and engaging in ways most other things fall short of.

SUCK IT WILDSCHWEIN YOU PIG.

AND IGGYSBFF SUCK IT YOU LITTLE GOBLIN
- Squilliam-

If you want good and proper suckage then I suggest you head to the Saddledome. Compared to the services they offer there, I'm afraid I'd only disappoint.

Most importantly Drai's GF/60:

With Larsson 3.30
Without Larsson 2.30
- Mr.Bobby

How the hell would I know? I've tried to make sense of stats but numbers aren't exactly my forte.
My post was strictly in reference to the fact that I knew you'd have a counter argument to Matts numbers. And you did. I wasn't insinuating that you would be wrong.
- Wildschwein

They were both right depending on which narrative you're trying to sell.


#leon can produce apart from Connor and should be separated to spread out offence

#connor is the only reason the oilers are good cause chiarelli ruined the oilers and Leon owes his success to Connor




The very definition of alternative facts! Kelly Anne Conway would be proud