Um...no

Risto stepped up to hit him plain and simple. His timing was off because the puck got tipped. The onus is always on the player delivering the hit especially when it comes to if the player he is going to hit has the puck.

This wasn't two players colliding this was one player hitting another player.
- Stripes77

Yes, Risto hold his end of responsibility, but it would have been a clean well-timed hit if the puck wasn't interfered with at the last moment. But, Guentzel also holds responsibility of keeping his head up.

Injury from a penalty is penalized more severely in every age group in hockey.

What doesn't need to be taken into context is injury during supplemental discipline.

Guys like Marchand escape suspension because of lack of injury, that is the biggest cop out.

Regarding the Risto hit it was the right call. He will probably get a game or two. Anything longer and then we have the right to complain.
- Stripes77

Landeskog kicking the guy straight in the nuts yesterday was amazing. Whats the ruling on that?

I am seriously starting to hate the NHL.

What Crosby did to ROR yesterday was far more malicious than what Risto did.
- HonkFortheGoose

Crosby will get off scot free because he is Crosby.

But if I am being impartial Risto should sit a game.

Yes, Risto hold his end of responsibility, but it would have been a clean well-timed hit if the puck wasn't interfered with at the last moment. But, Guentzel also holds responsibility of keeping his head up.
- sskkoo1

Not when he is trying to catch a pass...

Not when he is trying to catch a pass...
- Stripes77

When he's trying to catch a passing going into the neutral zone--Absolutely. And, Crosby is too good of a player to be giving his teammates a buddy pass.

Landeskog kicking the guy straight in the nuts yesterday was amazing. Whats the ruling on that?
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

That's a match penalty

When he's trying to catch a passing going into the neutral zone--Absolutely. And, Crosby is too good of a player to be giving his teammates a buddy pass.
- sskkoo1

So you're telling me a guy who is trying to catch a pass isn't allowed to look at the puck?

And on top of that a guy that doesn't even have the puck yet should expect to be hit before he has it?

He will probably get a game or two. Anything longer and then we have the right to complain.
- Stripes77

for what?


because the player had his head down?


strongly disagree

hell if gus didn't tip the puck at the last second, it would have been a clean hit with the puck on the guys stick


you can't suspended someone for something that is affected by a mila second

So you're telling me a guy who is trying to catch a pass isn't allowed to look at the puck?
- Stripes77

No, but you can accept the pass without having your head completely down, this is the highest level of hockey, these players have that skill covered. And, he didn't just have his head down for a brief moment, he kept it down as he skated out of the zone and into an area where guys who have their head down typically get lit up. Risto holds his end of responsibility and his game suspension is fine, but Crosby is also at fault for that chit pass and Guentzel holds accountability for skating for a prolonged period staring at his feet.


And, no, I don't think Guentzel should have expected the hit without having the puck, but he should have expected the hit the moment it did touch his stick if it hadn't been interfered with.

So you're telling me a guy who is trying to catch a pass isn't allowed to look at the puck?

And on top of that a guy that doesn't even have the puck yet should expect to be hit before he has it?
- Stripes77

and why should a guy trying to get a puck, have his head down and skate into risto?


double edge risto could have laid him out much worse and honestly eased off and turned

An in person hearing means they can give 5+ games right?

for what?


because the player had his head down?


strongly disagree

hell if gus didn't tip the puck at the last second, it would have been a clean hit with the puck on the guys stick


you can't suspended someone for something that is affected by a mila second
- homiedclown

Principle point of contact is the head here guys...You CANNOT hit a player in the head. Especially when he doesn't have the puck.

Also if Risto isn't trying to Kronwal him he would have seen the puck wasn't there.

Disagree all you want this is on Risto

No, but you can accept the pass without having your head completely down, this is the highest level of hockey, these players have that skill covered. And, he didn't just have his head down for a brief moment, he kept it down as he skated out of the zone and into an area where guys who have their head down typically get lit up. Risto holds his end of responsibility and his game suspension is fine, but Crosby is also at fault for that chit pass and Guentzel holds accountability for skating for a prolonged period staring at his feet.


And, no, I don't think Guentzel should have expected the hit without having the puck, but he should have expected the hit the moment it did touch his stick if it hadn't been interfered with.
- sskkoo1

The onus is on the player delivering the hit. Plain and simple.

Had Guentzel made a sudden movement right before the hit that's one thing but he didn't.

This is completely on Risto.

An in person hearing means they can give 5+ games right?
- chilliard77

Correct.

But I haven't seen anywhere where it says its an in person hearing

The onus is on the player delivering the hit. Plain and simple.

Had Guentzel made a sudden movement right before the hit that's one thing but he didn't.

This is completely on Risto.
- Stripes77

Well, I guess we have to disagree. I'm holding Risto accountable, but Guentzel also has some responsibility on how that play unfolded. You can't put yourself in that situation.

The onus is on the player delivering the hit. Plain and simple.

Had Guentzel made a sudden movement right before the hit that's one thing but he didn't.

This is completely on Risto.
- Stripes77

I have seen much worse many times that didn't receive a penalty let alone a hearing

and I thought player history plays a role in this

risto has no history

No, but you can accept the pass without having your head completely down, this is the highest level of hockey, these players have that skill covered. And, he didn't just have his head down for a brief moment, he kept it down as he skated out of the zone and into an area where guys who have their head down typically get lit up. Risto holds his end of responsibility and his game suspension is fine, but Crosby is also at fault for that chit pass and Guentzel holds accountability for skating for a prolonged period staring at his feet.


And, no, I don't think Guentzel should have expected the hit without having the puck, but he should have expected the hit the moment it did touch his stick if it hadn't been interfered with.
- sskkoo1

Have you ever played hockey? Assuming not. And "kept it down as he skated out of the zone" was all of about 1.5 seconds.

Have you ever played hockey? Assuming not. And "kept it down as he skated out of the zone" was all of about 1.5 seconds.
- buffalokb

if girgens didn't tip the puck one tenth of a second earlier, it's a clean hit

Correct.

But I haven't seen anywhere where it says its an in person hearing
- Stripes77

Usually they'll specify if it's a phone hearing so that's why I'm assuming it's in person

I have seen much worse many times that didn't receive a penalty let alone a hearing

and I thought player history plays a role in this

risto has no history
- homiedclown

The player we are talking about was thrown out of the game for a hit.

He is going to have a hearing.

I haven't seen anywhere where it is an in person hearing.

He doesn't have a history. Which means he will get 1 or 2 games.

if girgens didn't tip the puck one tenth of a second earlier, it's a clean hit
- homiedclown

Correct but that means Guentzel would have his head up by then and not still looking for the puck...

Have you ever played hockey? Assuming not. And "kept it down as he skated out of the zone" was all of about 1.5 seconds.
- buffalokb

Yes, I did play hockey, and the worst hit I ever took was from that exact type of play were I got a buddy pass from a teammate and was lit up because I had my head down. It happened only once because I never turned up ice again staring at my feet or waiting for a bullpoop pass to make its way to me.

Principle point of contact is the head here guys...You CANNOT hit a player in the head. Especially when he doesn't have the puck.

Also if Risto isn't trying to Kronwal him he would have seen the puck wasn't there.

Disagree all you want this is on Risto
- Stripes77

Strongly disagree here. It was a hip check, i know Risto is tall.... but yeah..

Well, I guess we have to disagree. I'm holding Risto accountable, but Guentzel also has some responsibility on how that play unfolded. You can't put yourself in that situation.
- sskkoo1

Straight from the NHL rule book:

The onus is on the player applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a defenseless position and if so, he must avoid or minimize contact.

So you can disagree if you want but this is word for word in the NHL rule book.

Strongly disagree here. It was a hip check, i know Risto is tall.... but yeah..
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

Risto is tall the player has his head down and Risto does jump a little into the hit. It wasn't a hip check Risto was turned so it was more of a Kronwal throwing his back into a player check.

The guys face is all bloody...