I don't even know what is being argued about anymore
- chilliard77

My point is that some people can't see the forest for the trees because of their hate for trading a precious(late) first round pick for an above average goalie. And another team that trades a (bit later) 1st and a 2nd round pick for a goalie with the same overall numbers is somehow topnotch, and their goalie is amazing and ours is a bum.

Yeah, and it was also a great play by Sam to get him the puck too. Plus 30 seconds to go in a decided game is a bit different than 3 minutes into a 0-0 game.
- Wetbandit1

Come on..... the point man passed into Sams skate and Eichel was just skating by himself. Great play is a little much

I don't even know what is being argued about anymore
- chilliard77

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I dont like your new avatar!!!


- Sabresfan-365

Why not?

"I" don't look badass enough?

My point is that some people can't see the forest for the trees because of their hate for trading a precious(late) first round pick for an above average goalie. And another team that trades a (bit later) 1st and a 2nd round pick for a goalie with the same overall numbers is somehow topnotch, and their goalie is amazing and ours is a bum.
- Wetbandit1

But do you at least agree Andersen >> Lehner?

Not a bad point
- chilliard77

It's actually one that Murray cited as to why he targeted Lehner. The goalie would still be under team control at the end of his contract.

If I'm not mistaken the other goalies traded for about that time, wouldn't be.

That does raise the value a tad.

People tend to forget that when comparing the trade. That gets left off.

People can hate on Miller all they want but he was awesome here imo
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Fun fact: Even before his Vancouver contract, his and Biron's numbers are pretty much identical.

Even their best seasons:

Buffalo Sabres NHL 72 31 28 10 4085 151 4 2.22 .915

Buffalo Sabres NHL 69 41 18 8 4047 150 5 2.22 .929

Guess which is which? One played on a bad team, the other on a stacked team. Honestly, Biron's best season was on a Sabres team that's almost identical to this season's team. One guy with just under a .ppg and a bunch of middling stats and 20 goals scorers sprinkled throughout and a questionable defense.

Career stats:

NHL totals 508 230 191 25 28,612 1247 28 2.62 .910

NHL totals 655 340 233 68 38,363 1660 36 2.60 .915

My point is that some people can't see the forest for the trees because of their hate for trading a precious(late) first round pick for an above average goalie. And another team that trades a (bit later) 1st and a 2nd round pick for a goalie with the same overall numbers is somehow topnotch, and their goalie is amazing and ours is a bum.
- Wetbandit1

Ding!

Why not?

"I" don't look badass enough?
- chilliard77

See... Go back

Fun fact: Even before his Vancouver contract, his and Biron's numbers are pretty much identical.

Even their best seasons:

Buffalo Sabres NHL 72 31 28 10 4085 151 4 2.22 .915

Buffalo Sabres NHL 69 41 18 8 4047 150 5 2.22 .929

Guess which is which? One played on a bad team, the other on a stacked team. Honestly, Biron's best season was on a Sabres team that's almost identical to this season's team. One guy with just under a .ppg and a bunch of middling stats and 20 goals scorers sprinkled throughout and a questionable defense.

Career stats:

NHL totals 508 230 191 25 28,612 1247 28 2.62 .910

NHL totals 655 340 233 68 38,363 1660 36 2.60 .915
- BeadyEyedDouche

I liked Biron too but I didn't see enough of him with the Sabres to have an opinion on his time here

My point is that some people can't see the forest for the trees because of their hate for trading a precious(late) first round pick for an above average goalie. And another team that trades a (bit later) 1st and a 2nd round pick for a goalie with the same overall numbers is somehow topnotch, and their goalie is amazing and ours is a bum.
- Wetbandit1

An "above average goalie" who's backup has better numbers.

Come on..... the point man passed into Sams skate and Eichel was just skating by himself. Great play is a little much
- sbroads24

Did he not bat it out of mid-air? I thought he did. I might be wrong.

was just thinking that, the schneider curse
- Sabresfan-365

Very true.

Guhle sure took a long time to score for the Amerks...

It's actually one that Murray cited as to why he targeted Lehner. The goalie would still be under team control at the end of his contract.

If I'm not mistaken the other goalies traded for about that time, wouldn't be.

That does raise the value a tad.

People tend to forget that when comparing the trade. That gets left off.
- gcomella34

That he's young? Who cares though? I'd rather have had an 18 year old top 6 forward

Guhle has a goal

That he's young? Who cares though? I'd rather have had an 18 year old top 6 forward
- sbroads24

Sounds kinky

An "above average goalie" who's backup has better numbers.
- sbroads24

Grubauer, Darling, Raanta, Kinkaid, Vasilevsky, Reimer. All better. Chad Johnson is equal. Your move.

Guhle sure took a long time to score for the Amerks...
- kingcong39

Guhle is going to be a beast for us.

But do you at least agree Andersen >> Lehner?
- chilliard77

I think they're about the same. Andersen is older, but only has ~1,500 more minutes than Lehner.

Grubauer, Darling, Raanta, Kinkaid, Vasilevsky, Reimer. All better. Chad Johnson is equal. Your move.
- Wetbandit1

Holtby- Drafted in the 3rd
Crawford- 2nd rounder
Lundqvist - Late rounder
Luongo- traded for nothing
Schneider- Cost a top 10 pick
Elliott - Cost a 2nd and conditional

Of all these goalies, who's on the worst team?

That he's young? Who cares though? I'd rather have had an 18 year old top 6 forward
- sbroads24

But you're acting like getting an 18 year old top 6 forward was a given. It's not. We traded the CHANCE of a top 6 forward for a CHANCE at starting goalie, a guy that I feel, proved he's capable.

The guy making the deal felt like it was worth it and that's all that matters.

Lehner is always going to be judged by what was given up for him, I get it to a point. But we need to stop beating a dead......

we can't even call the damn thing dead it's a pulpy dead glob of meat that used to be a horse.

We all get it, there is a group of people here that HATE the fact we had to give up what we did.

Sometimes I feel Lehner could cure cancer, don the pads, and let one lousy goal in and everyone would STILL be all over him.

Sheesh, he did just fine this year. And before you cite "his backup has better numbers" let's be honest, his back up has PROVEN time and again he can't play long stretches without imploding. His success is showing he's right where he belongs, on the bench.

Rant over.

Bobrovsky, Holtby, Price, Gibson, Dubnyk, Murray, Lehner, Talbot, Crawford, Andersen.

Top 10 starting goalies SV%. I just can't quite put my finger on it, but Lehner, while being part of that group, is somehow different from the others... I got it! All those other guys are in the playoffs!

Holtby- Drafted in the 3rd
Crawford- 2nd rounder
Lundqvist - Late rounder
Luongo- traded for nothing
Schneider- Cost a top 10 pick
Elliott - Cost a 2nd and conditional

Of all these goalies, who's on the worst team?
- sbroads24

Oh, FFS...

Hey, at least we didn't trade for Eddie Lack
- chilliard77

Weren't we rumored​ to get him at first lol