I agree with you guys but to take that next step you need balls and know how and Snow is not that guy, not by a long shot.
- nyisles7

We've all said it at points in time, but this whole organization needs a overhaul. There is such a culture of losing with this team. It's a poop-show, circus, dumpster fire. Something's got to give. It's time for a coup. Where's 6 and his torches?

KR! What the hell man? You're going Roberto Duran and quitting mid-fight? You've gone pages & pages & pages with me and others in here. Get back in there, man.
- Isleshockeyman

Yeah, but he was complicit in leaving those things to flounder the way they were. He just sat on his hands while things were clearly terrible and didn't do anything about it until it was too late.

Not blaming Snow for the abject failure of the people who work directly under him is like blaming the iceberg for sinking the Titanic.
- eichiefs9

nobody is saying that Snow is blameless, he's not and I've been calling for him to be fired for years. But those "under" snow were professional coaches and professional players, very few of whom did their jobs over the first three months of the season. Yes, you can blame the manager and the employee for a collective failure.

hahahahahaaha thats funny.

I go pages with guys who have legitimate posts. I cant argue the sky being blue with someone who insists its green.
- kindlyrick

Don't feel bad. I've gone rounds with him and know what you mean.

I just don't see anyone out there that's available, outside of Bishop, that is really worth going out there and getting. Vegas has to take 3 goaltenders. DAL will be shedding goalies but they're both overpaid garbage.

But yes, Snow should have been all over Schneider at that draft.
- eichiefs9

Halak greiss, problem solved for a year. Let's get duchene or someone with that ability in a trade. They can score they need to learn defense, the staple article at least makes me think there's a chance snow is fired, small but there

We've all said it at points in time, but this whole organization needs a overhaul. There is such a culture of losing with this team. It's a poop-show, circus, dumpster fire. Something's got to give. It's time for a coup. Where's 6 and his torches?
- Isleshockeyman

nobody is saying that Snow is blameless, he's not and I've been calling for him to be fired for years. But those "under" snow were professional coaches and professional players, very few of whom did their jobs over the first three months of the season. Yes, you can blame the manager and the employee for a collective failure.
- Jethro09

Were they professional coaches? Or was this organization the first timers club. Im not sure about Cronin, but certainly Weight and Capuano had their first NHL coaching jobs with the isles.

Don't feel bad. I've gone rounds with him and know what you mean.
- Isleshockeyman

Where'd you get that bag from?

nobody is saying that Snow is blameless, he's not and I've been calling for him to be fired for years. But those "under" snow were professional coaches and professional players, very few of whom did their jobs over the first three months of the season. Yes, you can blame the manager and the employee for a collective failure.
- Jethro09

If Snow hired you as coach you would be considered "Professional" as well, but does that really make you a professional?

Let's all go easy on Gainesdm here fellas, sure his head avatar makes you want to smash him but he's a fan like the rest of us. And bro photoshop really twisted your dome, it's hard to take you seriously when I see that distorted head

How can you not? Those players are his picks......they're his roster. The coaching staff were his choices. It all goes back to him. How can you NOT put the onus on the captain of the ship.
- kindlyrick

There's a difference between placing ALL blame on the "captain" of the ship for it sinking and acknowledging that the crew on the ship also failed to execute their job duties. If a guy owns an auto repair shop, and someone drops their car off to get a transmission rebuild, and the shop's rebuilder screws up the rebuild, then both the rebuilder and the shop owner share in responsibility for the customer's car not running after the work.

Let's all go easy on Gainesdm here fellas, sure his head avatar makes you want to smash him but he's a fan like the rest of us. And bro photoshop really twisted your dome, it's hard to take you seriously when I see that distorted head
- Upstate_isles

How is that going easy?

There's a difference between placing ALL blame on the "captain" of the ship for it sinking and acknowledging that the crew on the ship also failed to execute their job duties. If a guy owns an auto repair shop, and someone drops their car off to get a transmission rebuild, and the shop's rebuilder screws up the rebuild, then both the rebuilder and the shop owner share in responsibility for the customer's car not running after the work.
- Jethro09

True but at the end of the day its on the owner because he hired that facking idiot to begin with

There's a difference between placing ALL blame on the "captain" of the ship for it sinking and acknowledging that the crew on the ship also failed to execute their job duties. If a guy owns an auto repair shop, and someone drops their car off to get a transmission rebuild, and the shop's rebuilder screws up the rebuild, then both the rebuilder and the shop owner share in responsibility for the customer's car not running after the work.
- Jethro09

I kinda see your analogy, but the lawsuit is answered by the owner of the shop cause the buck stops with him, as he's the one who hired said mechanic.

Either way, a new GM will bring in new personnel and or tweak the roster.......something Garth has failed to do.

How is that going easy?
- bgainesDM

nobody is saying that Snow is blameless, he's not and I've been calling for him to be fired for years. But those "under" snow were professional coaches and professional players, very few of whom did their jobs over the first three months of the season. Yes, you can blame the manager and the employee for a collective failure.
- Jethro09

The job of a manager is to stop the bleeding before it gets out of control. Whether that's firing the coach, making a trade or calling up a young player. You have to do something. If you manage a business and it's losing money, do the owners come in and start talking to HR or the counter help? No, they go to the manager and find out why he/she let it get this bad. This is all on Snow. I get what you're saying, but Snow should've done something a looooong time ago to try to correct it. And he didn't.

Where'd you get that bag from?
- bgainesDM

Bought it at 7's yard sale.

Where'd you get that bag from?
- bgainesDM

Which bag? My sack if your referring to that I was born with.

Were they professional coaches? Or was this organization the first timers club. Im not sure about Cronin, but certainly Weight and Capuano had their first NHL coaching jobs with the isles.
- kindlyrick

Are you really going to go down this semantic route? Were they "professional" coaches? Come on. They were paid salaries to do their jobs and all of them have worked "professionally" in hockey for years before their jobs with the Isles. Each of Cappy, Weight and Cronin had many years of professionally working in hockey. Their ability and caliber can certainly be questioned, but they were professionals paid to do a job and they failed.

How is that going easy?
- bgainesDM

I have to agree with you there.

How is that going easy?
- bgainesDM

youre right my apologies I said it before I'm high or something today

If Snow hired you as coach you would be considered "Professional" as well, but does that really make you a professional?
- Vukota

I don't know but I'm willing to find out! Call me up Snow!

I have to agree with you there.
- Isleshockeyman

I didnt think it was that bad, just said the way it shrunk twisted it up.

youre right my apologies I said it before I'm high or something today
- Upstate_isles

Jesus, dude. What time did you start drinking. That is, assuming you stopped at some point last night.

True but at the end of the day its on the owner because he hired that facking idiot to begin with
- Vukota

Understood. I get the mantra "you delegate the job, but you don't delegate the responsibility", but I also get that sometimes those in management get let down by their staff and support team and as a result, blame for failure can be shared.