Reinhardt & Strome were reaches Nino is producing and has gotten better every year.
But yes Snow has been bad in a few drafts
- Ur Not Me

Reinhardt and Strome was supposed to be top notch draft picks. Everyone on here were expecting Strome to be 2nd line center, and Reinhardt a top 3 d man. Both suck. The Nino situation is a direct result of Snow and his ego. All of this is on an inexperienced GM.

Lombardi has done more good than bad in his career. I'm not locked into just Lombardi for the Isles, but he is at the top of the list right now unless someone can give me another choice.
- ses111

He's the perfect fit.......i don't wanna hear about bad drafting when the guys won two cups in 5 years (let alone going deep in the playoffs).

What's interesting is the Kings were possession monsters this year. Seems like poor shooting dug their graves.
- Danformo

I guess and seemed a bit more than that, Kopitar didnt have his usual year, lack of backend D depth, allstar G missing, a bunch dug their grave but also they are up against the cap with glaring holes to get them back to promise land .....

I hear you........but, i'll bet dollars to donuts, Barzal under the right coach, will step right in and produce. After seeing how Ho Sang had looked after he got comfortable, i think Barzal will flourish right away. Thats the second line center to me. I think you replace Bailey with a speedy finisher, and you know have a top line that can compete with any in the league, and you've also addressed PP1.
- kindlyrick

I wouldn't expect a kid coming out of juniors to produce enough to be a legitimate NHL 2C. Ho Sang had success but he also had 3/4 of a year of playing pro hockey against men. Barzal is playing against kids right now. That's a major risk to dump all that pressure on the kid.

I wouldn't expect a kid coming out of juniors to produce enough to be a legitimate NHL 2C. Ho Sang had success but he also had 3/4 of a year of playing pro hockey against men. Barzal is playing against kids right now. That's a major risk to dump all that pressure on the kid.
- eichiefs9

With the average player, i'd definitely agree with you. But Barzal is a special talent. He ripped up the dub this year. Basically 2 pt per game player this year.......you know who else was a 2 pt player in juniors? #91. He's more talented than Beau, and Beau looked great this year.

Reinhardt and Strome was supposed to be top notch draft picks. Everyone on here were expecting Strome to be 2nd line center, and Reinhardt a top 3 d man. Both suck. The Nino situation is a direct result of Snow and his ego. All of this is on an inexperienced GM.
- kindlyrick

Exactly. And that's why we shouldn't be doing the same thing with Barzal. I'm sure he's going to be a great player, but bring in a legit 2c, then have him start on the third line behind JT and whoever that 2c is.

If they can get Lombardi to come on board, I'd actually be fine with leaving Snow on the payroll as head of scouting or something like that. Say what you want about the guy, but he's done a good job of drafting over the years.

With the average player, i'd definitely agree with you. But Barzal is a special talent. He ripped up the dub this year. He's more talented than Beau, and Beau looked great this year.
- kindlyrick

Starting Barzal out with those kind of expectations would do nothing good for his development. If he works his way up there, great, but putting him under that kind of pressure could be a disaster.

If they can get Lombardi to come on board, I'd actually be fine with leaving Snow on the payroll as head of scouting or something like that. Say what you want about the guy, but he's done a good job of drafting over the years.
- eichiefs9

You think so? I think he's been average at best. Some of his picks were from Jankowski too......lets not forget. To me, the Nino, Strome, Reinhardt picks.....three years in a row.....all top 5 picks and nothing to show for it.

Starting Barzal out with those kind of expectations would do nothing good for his development. If he works his way up there, great, but putting him under that kind of pressure could be a disaster.
- eichiefs9

Again, i hear you.......but i think we're spending too much time with this 2nd line, 3rd line thing. The fact is, this kid will come in and light the lamp. He's phucking awesome.

You think so? I think he's been average at best. Some of his picks were from Jankowski too......lets not forget. To me, the Nino, Strome, Reinhardt picks.....three years in a row.....all top 5 picks and nothing to show for it.
- kindlyrick

Nino is a very good NHL player. The fact that they totally botched his development is irrelevant to the fact that Snow identified a talented guy in the draft and selected him. You don't hit on every pick, no not even in the top-5. If you want to see a putrid draft history, go look at Lombardi's drafts.

And no, I'm not saying I don't want Lombardi because of his draft history. But Snow has done a good job. That guy that scored 34g for us this year was a 6th round pick.

Reinhardt and Strome was supposed to be top notch draft picks. Everyone on here were expecting Strome to be 2nd line center, and Reinhardt a top 3 d man. Both suck. The Nino situation is a direct result of Snow and his ego. All of this is on an inexperienced GM.
- kindlyrick

Reinhardt was not a popular or smart pick from minute he was selected, he was considered a project with upside who was nit a good skater--- his size is what got him drafted so high .... they didn't mention though that he doesn't use his size at all ever

Reinhardt was not a popular or smart pick from minute he was selected, he was considered a project with upside who was nit a good skater--- his size is what got him drafted so high .... they didn't mention though that he doesn't use his size at all ever
- jmoney4080

He still doesn't use his size in the AHL. Or that blazing speed of his.

You think so? I think he's been average at best. Some of his picks were from Jankowski too......lets not forget. To me, the Nino, Strome, Reinhardt picks.....three years in a row.....all top 5 picks and nothing to show for it.
- kindlyrick

Got Barzal for Reinhardt. I still think Strome & some others could produce under the right coach/system.

Nino is a very good NHL player. The fact that they totally botched his development is irrelevant to the fact that Snow identified a talented guy in the draft and selected him. You don't hit on every pick, no not even in the top-5. If you want to see a putrid draft history, go look at Lombardi's drafts.

And no, I'm not saying I don't want Lombardi because of his draft history. But Snow has done a good job. That guy that scored 34g for us this year was a 6th round pick.
- eichiefs9

Im not gonna sit here and praise Snow because he took a 5th overall in Nino who was touted as a top end prospect. Every GM has late round finds. Lee and his 34 goals is a great find, but for every Lee, there's a Strome.

Got Barzal for Reinhardt. I still think Strome & some others could produce under the right coach/system.
- Isleshockeyman

Pure luck.......Barzal never should have fallen that far back.

Reinhardt was not a popular or smart pick from minute he was selected, he was considered a project with upside who was nit a good skater--- his size is what got him drafted so high .... they didn't mention though that he doesn't use his size at all ever
- jmoney4080

if you came on here, guys had him as the next pronger.

He still doesn't use his size in the AHL. Or that blazing speed of his.
- Isleshockeyman

yet, he was Garths top 5 pick

3 words.. dustin brown contract
dan's right, lombardi would ruin any positives the isles have just like team USA and the Kings
- gopherwildfan

3 Words.. Two Stanley Cups

Im not gonna sit here and praise Snow because he took a 5th overall in Nino who was touted as a top end prospect. Every GM has late round finds. Lee and his 34 goals is a great find, but for every Lee, there's a Strome.
- kindlyrick

I'm not saying he deserves to be praised, but the reality is that his entire body of work has left us with a lot of really good prospects. Does that absolve him from doing a shitty job with every other aspect of being a GM? Hell no. Doesn't mean they'll all pan out either, but he's selected a lot of players (some of which he actively moved up for) that are regarded as some highly talented kids. He deserves credit where credit is due. He's done an excellent job in the draft.

I'm not saying he deserves to be praised, but the reality is that his entire body of work has left us with a lot of really good prospects. Does that absolve him from doing a shitty job with every other aspect of being a GM? Hell no. Doesn't mean they'll all pan out either, but he's selected a lot of players (some of which he actively moved up for) that are regarded as some highly talented kids. He deserves credit where credit is due. He's done an excellent job in the draft.
- eichiefs9

What Garth has done well is be patient. But his patience has been a blessing inside a curse. 10 years later and we're still waiting. He has done a fantastic job of adding more picks to start the rebuild. BUT, after 10 years of drafting, you and I could come up with some gems too. Im just not sold on the idea that he's done a great job at drafting.......to me he's been average.

To add to this, my personal opinion, is the Nino, Strome, Reinhardt drafts, three years respectively, are what set the franchise back. None of those three have been additions to the rebuild........which is three years of adding nothing to top 6 up front or top 3 on the back end.

What Garth has done well is be patient. But his patience has been a blessing inside a curse. 10 years later and we're still waiting. He has done a fantastic job of adding more picks to start the rebuild. BUT, after 10 years of drafting, you and I could come up with some gems too. Im just not sold on the idea that he's done a great job at drafting.......to me he's been average.
- kindlyrick

Yeah I'm not trying to sell you on the idea he's done a good job as a GM. He's been terrible at nearly every aspect. But stockpiling talented prospects has been one area where he's been very, very solid. It's one tiny part of the job and his overall work as general manager has been extremely poor. But I'd be fine with leaving him in charge of scouting.

Yeah I'm not trying to sell you on the idea he's done a good job as a GM. He's been terrible at nearly every aspect. But stockpiling talented prospects has been one area where he's been very, very solid. It's one tiny part of the job and his overall work as general manager has been extremely poor. But I'd be fine with leaving him in charge of scouting.
- eichiefs9

I edited my last post.


To add to this, my personal opinion, is the Nino, Strome, Reinhardt drafts, three years respectively, are what set the franchise back. None of those three have been additions to the rebuild........which is three years of adding nothing to top 6 up front or top 3 on the back end. As I said before, after 10 years of drafting, a fan like you or I could find some gems. What he's done is average.......what he's done well is add more picks and move up at the draft. But, the drafting itself has been average.

If they can get Lombardi to come on board, I'd actually be fine with leaving Snow on the payroll as head of scouting or something like that. Say what you want about the guy, but he's done a good job of drafting over the years.
- eichiefs9

He needs to be gone completely. Let him go man.

He needs to be gone completely. Let him go man.
- Cptmjl

Agreed.......he should just go to the Bruins already. Go back home.