A good, Ontario boy. Don Cherry will be pleased.
- Rota's Rooter

I can't find info on him , can anyone share

Count me in this camp on Gagner. First off he plays small and is a liability in his own end. Two things StanBow has pivoted from in "reshaping" this group.......... He went 6 overall to be a skill top 6 C and until last year he failed to reach 50 points and it wasn't in that role. He failed in that role as a 22-24-26 yr old I doubt he becomes that hoped for player now, a top 6 guy.

Now Torts slotted him perfectly. A 13 minute a night sheltered playoff specialist. Add if he was Kane's 2nd line C right now the LW on that line is Schmaltz. A line of Schmaltz-Gagner-Kane would never win a board battle or get the puck back once lost.

Gagner as a bottom line PP specialist emergency top 6 fill in at a dirt cheap contact would be the only way he can help any team IMO.
- Mr Ricochet

Yes, just say no to Sam Gagner!

There are 6 players currently with Vegas who I hope Bowman has some interest in:

P-E Bellemare
W Karlsson
W. Carrier
O. Lindberg
Colin Miller
Shea Theodore

They all fit from a salary perspective. What McPhee would be asking in return is another matter.

And I'm not totally convinced Kruger is going to Vegas, I could see Carolina or NJ or even NYR.

JJ I know I heard something about Stan in talks with Pitt about Hagelin or something?

Would we be able to grab Rust for say Schmaltz? I think Rust's game is what we are looking for, we have enough perimeter players.

JJ thanks for all the updates! Good to see Bowman reportedly being active in a lot of discussion.

Now, if I have to watch Tomas Jurco for a whole season, I'm going to lose it! I didnt know you could play in the NHL and not pass the puck. Why are the Hawks so hot and heavy on this clown? Package him in a trade and get him the hell out!
- nickmo2699

Much the same reason they were hot and heavy on Panik the clown...... He's got + size and can skate. Add he played on every Slovak national team as a junior, was a point a game player in the QMJHL over 3 seasons that got him drafted in the 2nd round, has gone seasons being a point a game guy in the AHL and the Hawks are 49 million over the cap going into each season and his hit is small.

This year he will have the advantage of being in Hawk camp from Day 1. The guy may bust, if you can call giving up a 3rd rounder a bust, but IMO they need more Jurco's fighting for a roster spot, not less.

Yes, just say no to Sam Gagner!

There are 6 players currently with Vegas who I hope Bowman has some interest in:

P-E Bellemare
W Karlsson
W. Carrier
O. Lindberg
Colin Miller
Shea Theodore

They all fit from a salary perspective. What McPhee would be asking in return is another matter.

And I'm not totally convinced Kruger is going to Vegas, I could see Carolina or NJ or even NYR.
- RickJ

Think your right but I don'tthink LV will move Theodore or Lindberg

Yes, just say no to Sam Gagner!

There are 6 players currently with Vegas who I hope Bowman has some interest in:

P-E Bellemare
W Karlsson
W. Carrier
O. Lindberg
Colin Miller
Shea Theodore

They all fit from a salary perspective. What McPhee would be asking in return is another matter.

And I'm not totally convinced Kruger is going to Vegas, I could see Carolina or NJ or even NYR.
- RickJ

Would like to see these guys wear the Indianhead--

So Draisatl has a 70+ point season and is looking for 9, but Marchand had 80+ and settled at a 6X6 deal

IMO there is about a 5% chance CLB would move Jenner. This guy is their Hossa, Toews, Hammer, Seabs as far as heart and soul guy and can play all 3 forward positions (fill in as a centerman) as well as bring all the grit with a sprinkle of skill that any roster would love.

The 5% chance of him being moved IMO is if they sign Kovulchuk only because they'd have plenty of forwards and would listen to offers on Jenner.

I like JJ's thoughts on Calvert and if Kovulchuk is signed maybe an Oliver Bjorkstrand (22 yr old top 6 possibility skill guy) or a Jenner lite in wrecking ball Josh Anderson.
- Mr Ricochet

Agreed on Jenner... just speculating

Calvert is an interesting option also for mid 6 LW.

JJ I know I heard something about Stan in talks with Pitt about Hagelin or something?

Would we be able to grab Rust for say Schmaltz? I think Rust's game is what we are looking for, we have enough perimeter players.
- nickmo2699

Rust for Schmaltz would not be a good trade at all.

Yes, just say no to Sam Gagner!

There are 6 players currently with Vegas who I hope Bowman has some interest in:

P-E Bellemare
W Karlsson
W. Carrier
O. Lindberg
Colin Miller
Shea Theodore

They all fit from a salary perspective. What McPhee would be asking in return is another matter.

And I'm not totally convinced Kruger is going to Vegas, I could see Carolina or NJ or even NYR.
- RickJ

I really think if AA is moved Kruger will be kept, and I'm a guy who loves Kruger but not at his contract. If both are moved a C has to come back and it will mean that both the 2nd and 3rd centerman are being replaced. What would the cap hit on that be not counting that both would be new to Q's systems.

And I think this is being overlooked. The Hawks are arguably only two deep at defense and the rest are #4's at best. Excluding Murphy the bottom 3 of Kempny, Forsling or Gus have a combined 60ish NHL games experience........ After your Dmen the most important defensive position is center. You just can't have that many questions at the two most important positions at keeping the puck out of the net.

As always the return has to be included but losing both AA and Kruger would weaken this team on the defensive side tremendously especially so considering the defensive group as is.

So Draisatl has a 70+ point season and is looking for 9, but Marchand had 80+ and settled at a 6X6 deal
- nickmo2699

Oil players want to get paid. I say they win some hardware before asking for that kind of bank.

Refreshing to see a player Marchand willing to work with his team in holding salaries in line so they can put good players around him.

So Draisatl has a 70+ point season and is looking for 9, but Marchand had 80+ and settled at a 6X6 deal
- nickmo2699

Yeah this is why I don't want NHL to change the cap sitituation, let's see how some of these teams navigate tthrough the way Pitt and Chicago has . With the cap going nowhere I like to see how Edmonton builds a Stanley Cup team with McDavid at over 14 and Drai with 8 or 9
Leafs will be in a similar poistion in a year or too

Count me in this camp on Gagner. First off he plays small and is a liability in his own end. Two things StanBow has pivoted from in "reshaping" this group.......... He went 6 overall to be a skill top 6 C and until last year he failed to reach 50 points and it wasn't in that role. He failed in that role as a 22-24-26 yr old I doubt he becomes that hoped for player now, a top 6 guy.

Now Torts slotted him perfectly. A 13 minute a night sheltered playoff specialist. Add if he was Kane's 2nd line C right now the LW on that line is Schmaltz. A line of Schmaltz-Gagner-Kane would never win a board battle or get the puck back once lost.

Gagner as a bottom line PP specialist emergency top 6 fill in at a dirt cheap contact would be the only way he can help any team IMO.
- Mr Ricochet

I am not pushing for Gagner!!

Gagner is, in my experience, a C/RW, not a natural left wing. I just don't see therefore, where he fits except at C.

My point is, he's better on draws and MORE of a natural set up guy than AA. Put a physical, road grader LW with Gagner and 88, you might have something. And Gagner would be cheaper than AA too.

Who was the LW when Richards (also tiny) played C with Kane on a Cup team? Hello?

Context, context, context.

Agreed on Jenner... just speculating

Calvert is an interesting option also for mid 6 LW.
- 93Joe

I'm not knocking you or the thought of Jenner. Just that the context of it has a lot of moving parts for both clubs and that Jenner is a key part of the Jackets......... I'm as big a fan of Jenner as anyone.

If does not matter too much if the NHL delays the decision or even if they decline the LTIR option. The Hawks can trade him either way.

If a team was far under the cap and traded for Hossa they would not need to put him on LTIR. They could keep him on the roster and not play him (just like a 22nd or 23rd roster player), pay him the $1mil in salary for 4 years, take the $5.25mil cap hit for 4 years, with the condition that Hossa agrees not to retire before the contract runs out. It is a win for Hossa. He still gets paid $1mil per year for 4 years for not playing. It is a win for the Hawks who would get $5.25mil in cap space. It would be a win for teams like Buffalo, Carolina, Buffalo, NJ, Nashville who need to be above the cap floor and have no intention of going up to the cap ceiling. They would get $5.25 mil in cap hit for 4 years and they would only pay out $1 mil per year. They would also get a prospect or picks from the Hawks for taking Hossa.

Right??

Would you trade Hossa, Hino and a 3rd round pick for the each of the next 4 drafts for Phoenix's 4th round pick in each of the next 4 drafts? More? Less?

Yes, just say no to Sam Gagner!

There are 6 players currently with Vegas who I hope Bowman has some interest in:

P-E Bellemare
W Karlsson
W. Carrier
O. Lindberg
Colin Miller
Shea Theodore

They all fit from a salary perspective. What McPhee would be asking in return is another matter.

And I'm not totally convinced Kruger is going to Vegas, I could see Carolina or NJ or even NYR.
- RickJ

Yes, yes, and yes. Exactly what the Hawks need in the bottom 6. Hawks like Bellemare, I know that. Karlsson and Lindberg are the kind of guys they love too, but I have not heard their names connected to Chi previously.

I'm not knocking you or the thought of Jenner. Just that the context of it has a lot of moving parts for both clubs and that Jenner is a key part of the Jackets......... I'm as big a fan of Jenner as anyone.
- Mr Ricochet

Count me in as someone who would LOVE Jenner, but also don't think there is any chance it will happen.

I'm not knocking you or the thought of Jenner. Just that the context of it has a lot of moving parts for both clubs and that Jenner is a key part of the Jackets......... I'm as big a fan of Jenner as anyone.
- Mr Ricochet

if Cbus gets Kovy, where does Jenner fit?

I am not pushing for Gagner!!

Gagner is, in my experience, a C/RW, not a natural left wing. I just don't see therefore, where he fits except at C.

My point is, he's better on draws and MORE of a natural set up guy than AA. Put a physical, road grader LW with Gagner and 88, you might have something. And Gagner would be cheaper than AA too.

Who was the LW when Richards (also tiny) played C with Kane on a Cup team? Hello?

Context, context, context.
- John Jaeckel

Didn't say you were pushing for Gagner and there is no comparison of Richards and Gagner as complete hockey players especially on the defensive side of the puck. Add Richards had 80+ point pedigree, Gagner 45 point. And who were the Hawk defenseman that year? ....... Agreed, context!!

if Cbus gets Kovy, where does Jenner fit?
- John Jaeckel

That's my point, that he MAY become available if they sign the Cossack. But Torts, as you know, moved him up and down the lineup and all 3 forward positions. ...... And I'd add I found it very interesting CLB did what was needed to keep Vegas from taking Josh Anderson in the expansion draft. IMO they see him developing into a Jenner lite.

I am not pushing for Gagner!!

Gagner is, in my experience, a C/RW, not a natural left wing. I just don't see therefore, where he fits except at C.

My point is, he's better on draws and MORE of a natural set up guy than AA. Put a physical, road grader LW with Gagner and 88, you might have something. And Gagner would be cheaper than AA too.

Who was the LW when Richards (also tiny) played C with Kane on a Cup team? Hello?


- John Jaeckel

Context, context, context.

Merchandising! Merchandising! Merchandising!

Context, context, context.

Merchandising! Merchandising! Merchandising!


- BURDA13

+2 for a spaceballs reference - fantastic movie

JJ I know I heard something about Stan in talks with Pitt about Hagelin or something?

Would we be able to grab Rust for say Schmaltz? I think Rust's game is what we are looking for, we have enough perimeter players.
- nickmo2699

Hagelin = great speed

It's fun to hypothesize about possible trades, but like JJ said....it all hinges on the leagues ruling in regards to the Hossa contract this Saturday.

Oil players want to get paid. I say they win some hardware before asking for that kind of bank.

Refreshing to see a player Marchand willing to work with his team in holding salaries in line so they can put good players around him.
- kwolf68

Kane and Toews had Won a Cup prior to signing their 6.3 per deals right? McDavid says a lot about who he is if he signs for 12+. If Chiarelli pays him and Draisaitl 21+ million, Stan is off the hook