He's talking TVR and J Staal.

Also, GMJR just told DK and his guys Rowney will be 4C and trade talks for a 3C have all dried up, will revisit later in the off-season
- stowerkraut

People tend to forget Rowney was the 4C in the STANLEY CUP FINAL, which we won

He's the perfect 4C at this time, because if Cullen decides to come back, he can easily slot Cullen back into the 4C, something that wouldn't work if we had just gone out and signed a new 4C (like Moore, Boyle, etc)

Even if Cullen retires, meybe JR talks him into coming back mid season if Rowney doesn't work out.... win/win

For all we know, JR has 3 or 4 irons in the fire regarding a trade for a 3C, but teams know our position so he's sitting back and waiting for the prices to come down. When one of those teams wants to do something else, and needs the roster/cap space, then they will come calling us and then JR has the leverage

be patient - It's JULY

This guy really just said the only way Carolina would be in a package for sid or geno...... oh man.

This guy really just said the only way Carolina would be in a package for sid or geno...... oh man.
- rbaurle51

What else do you have that helps Carolina more than Staal does right now?

Exactly.

It would be better to add a younger guy that is going to be around for awhile than a mostly washed up and declining Eric Staal. He may have played ok in Minnesota but remember when he played for the Rags? Awful.

This guy really just said the only way Carolina would be in a package for sid or geno...... oh man.
- rbaurle51

And later in that same sentence he said odds were microscopic. The poster explained pretty well why the deal wouldn't happen on many levels.

Thoughts on this getting it done?

Staal + Van Riemsdyk + 2mil/yr retained on Staal
FOR
Maatta + Sheary + Pouliot + 2nd in 2020

Otherwise, if no retained salary drop Pouliot and 2nd
- mventres

Vegas has our 2020 second already.

Man this 3C is such a huge issue. We're gonna start the season with a 4th liner playing 3C (Rowney) and an AHLer playing 4C on a line with a marginal NHL talent in Reeves. This is Ray Shero's bottom six all over again....

What else do you have that helps Carolina more than Staal does right now?

Exactly.
- BINGO!

Eh, I think sheary and Maatta plus possibly a 1st gets it done. Maybe swap maatta and add sprong or someone like that. There's a lot of different ways to make this trade work I think, and none should ever involve geno or sid even if chances are microscopic haha

Man this 3C is such a huge issue. We're gonna start the season with a 4th liner playing 3C (Rowney) and an AHLer playing 4C on a line with a marginal NHL talent in Reeves. This is Ray Shero's bottom six all over again....
- Victoro311

They gotta get it done man. I feel like it's only a mattter of time before gmjr pulls the trigger.....right??

I really thought duchene was going to happen before sakic wanted every gm to include their top players and also resurrect his favorite family members from the grave as well

ALSO dumoulin and Sheary applying for arbitration. I don't think Dumoulin will fare well but a Sheary arbitration gone south could hurt us. This is shaping up to be a disaster offseason. All that's left is an injury or two and a really bad Maatta trade.

Eh, I think sheary and Maatta plus possibly a 1st gets it done. Maybe swap maatta and add sprong or someone like that. There's a lot of different ways to make this trade work I think, and none should ever involve geno or sid even if chances are microscopic haha
- rbaurle51

No... No it doesn't.

We don't need Maatta.

Adding Sprong instead drops us below the Cap Floor again.

Sheary is good but we need a C.

A 1st doesn't help us at all.

They gotta get it done man. I feel like it's only a mattter of time before gmjr pulls the trigger.....right??

I really thought duchene was going to happen before sakic wanted every gm to include their top players and also resurrect his favorite family members from the grave as well
- rbaurle51

The Old Man recently said a trade will probably have to wait till in season which has a high disaster potential.

ALSO dumoulin and Sheary applying for arbitration. I don't think Dumoulin will fare well but a Sheary arbitration gone south could hurt us. This is shaping up to be a disaster offseason. All that's left is an injury or two and a really bad Maatta trade.
- Victoro311

The concern with Sheary is if he gets a really high $ amount then we either need to take it, or walk away and get nothing. A high $ amount kills our ability to trade for a good 3C

If the number is semi OK, and he plays just average, then it becomes the baseline for his qualifying offer next year, also kinda sucks

We should sell high on Sheary asap, he's trouble going forward. He's the epitome of a guy who although he puts up points, does almost everything else poorly

Man this 3C is such a huge issue. We're gonna start the season with a 4th liner playing 3C (Rowney) and an AHLer playing 4C on a line with a marginal NHL talent in Reeves. This is Ray Shero's bottom six all over again....
- Victoro311

meh...not too worried about it. Its the first week of July..training camp is over two months away. Bonino was there all season and wasnt very good at all...they almost won the presidents trophy and that was with missing on average like 6 (estimate off top of head..maybe a little exaggerated..maybe not...) regular roster players every game.

Also worth mentioning is that the Pens didnt get scored on in final two games of finals......without Bonino...so his "defensive prowess" wasnt required on the biggest stage in the biggest games of the season.

I think Reeves will end up being liked by a lot of people hating on him. The guy can really skate...so at the very least he'll keep up...but he'll also punish people from time to time, whether it be a big hit or fight, and that was something the Pens didnt really have. Sure, they could insert Sestito into the lineup, but he couldn't skate and because of that he hardly ever hit.

Pens will be fine.

Eh, I think sheary and Maatta plus possibly a 1st gets it done. Maybe swap maatta and add sprong or someone like that. There's a lot of different ways to make this trade work I think, and none should ever involve geno or sid even if chances are microscopic haha
- rbaurle51

Canes have a very promising and upcoming D-corps...Cant see them wanting D-men...

Man this 3C is such a huge issue. We're gonna start the season with a 4th liner playing 3C (Rowney) and an AHLer playing 4C on a line with a marginal NHL talent in Reeves. This is Ray Shero's bottom six all over again....
- Victoro311

Still good enough to make the playoffs and that's all that matters...unless your the caps.

No... No it doesn't.

We don't need Maatta.

Adding Sprong instead drops us below the Cap Floor again.

Sheary is good but we need a C.

A 1st doesn't help us at all.
- BINGO!

This is why the team that gets the *best* player always wins the trade

Just like when Seguin went to Dallas from Boston

Staal = Sutter/Dumoulin/Pouliot

For 2 years, all we had to show on the roster for Staal was Sutter - We lose

Then for the next 2, all we had was Bonino and Dumoulin - Close, win only on combined cap hit, can't complain about the cups

Now all we have on the roster is Dumoulin - We lose

If we could trade what we have left, Dumo and the bust that is Pouliot, we would do so in a hot minute

Man this 3C is such a huge issue. We're gonna start the season with a 4th liner playing 3C (Rowney) and an AHLer playing 4C on a line with a marginal NHL talent in Reeves. This is Ray Shero's bottom six all over again....
- Victoro311

We just won back to back cups. I'm cool for a few years.

This is why the team that gets the *best* player always wins the trade

Just like when Seguin went to Dallas from Boston

Staal = Sutter/Dumoulin/Pouliot

For 2 years, all we had to show on the roster for Staal was Sutter - We lose

Then for the next 2, all we had was Bonino and Dumoulin - Close, win only on combined cap hit, can't complain about the cups

Now all we have on the roster is Dumoulin - We lose

If we could trade what we have left, Dumo and the bust that is Pouliot, we would do so in a hot minute
- PensWin87

This is the ultimate win...2 years in a row with two of those guys being important pieces (Bonino more so the 1st of the 2 cups)....Pens won that trade hands down even if Pouliot truly ends up being a total bust...which I'm not convinced of yet.


I know it was Sutter not Bonino...but Sutter turned into Bonino...


Add in that the Canes got Staal to play with Staal and bring them to the promise land again....Pens won.

ALSO dumoulin and Sheary applying for arbitration. I don't think Dumoulin will fare well but a Sheary arbitration gone south could hurt us. This is shaping up to be a disaster offseason. All that's left is an injury or two and a really bad Maatta trade.
- Victoro311

This is what I was saying during the playoffs. After this past year the pens wont have as good of a team due to having to start paying a lot more to keep their guys. Schultz Sheary and Dumo mostly. In a few years Guentzel will probably get PAID. The Pens window is half of what it was the last 2 years and will close more and more every year from here.


I was told how incredibly wrong I was. But it has unfolded just like I said. They are having a hard time finding the money to keep key guys and lost some other key guys. WHEN WILL THEY GET A 3C? It's kinda important. I know we are only 5 days into free agency but come on.

The concern with Sheary is if he gets a really high $ amount then we either need to take it, or walk away and get nothing. A high $ amount kills our ability to trade for a good 3C

If the number is semi OK, and he plays just average, then it becomes the baseline for his qualifying offer next year, also kinda sucks

We should sell high on Sheary asap, he's trouble going forward. He's the epitome of a guy who although he puts up points, does almost everything else poorly
- PensWin87

I disagree with the last bit about him not being good, but I have pretty much the exact same concern here. I didn't want him traded at all until I found out about this arbitration and now I want to trade him a lot.

No... No it doesn't.

We don't need Maatta.

Adding Sprong instead drops us below the Cap Floor again.

Sheary is good but we need a C.

A 1st doesn't help us at all.
- BINGO!

lol I just don't even see a trade to be made here.. what does Carolina need? (not from the Pens, but just in general)

We just won back to back cups. I'm cool for a few years.
- j.boyd919

Complacency. I fart in your general direction, you coward.

meh...not too worried about it. Its the first week of July..training camp is over two months away. Bonino was there all season and wasnt very good at all...they almost won the presidents trophy and that was with missing on average like 6 (estimate off top of head..maybe a little exaggerated..maybe not...) regular roster players every game.

Also worth mentioning is that the Pens didnt get scored on in final two games of finals......without Bonino...so his "defensive prowess" wasnt required on the biggest stage in the biggest games of the season.

I think Reeves will end up being liked by a lot of people hating on him. The guy can really skate...so at the very least he'll keep up...but he'll also punish people from time to time, whether it be a big hit or fight, and that was something the Pens didnt really have. Sure, they could insert Sestito into the lineup, but he couldn't skate and because of that he hardly ever hit.

Pens will be fine.
- MattStrat

His twitter feed is funny. Great to see him rip on EA sports for (frank)ing up his skin tone lol

We just won back to back cups. I'm cool for a few years.
- j.boyd919

if they don't 3peat they need to trade malkin, sid, kessel, and letang. preferably guentz too.