If I had to bet today, when Stan Bowman “recaptures” (see what I did there?) Marian Hossa’s cap money, he is going to go out and pay (handsomely) for a competent NHL defenseman to provide much needed depth and ability to this group.

Keith - Murphy
XXX - Seabrook
Forsling/Kempney/Rutta/whoever

XXX is a LHD
Vegas has a massive surplus of LHD they're going to lose on waivers before the start of the season
Vegas also owes us "future considerations" from the Kruger deal
Those considerations + the thought of losing the d-man anyway probably won't drive the price up as high as we think. Marc Methot, weeks after giving Crosby H3II in a conference final, went to Dallas for a 2nd round pick...
I'm not saying the "future considerations" will be enough to get a plug n play top 4 LHD but I think its a start

@JJ and others, am I connecting the dots properly here?

[quote=Slofire94]

The problem is they need to send the guys down before we can LTIR Hossa.

[quote=Slofire94]
From what I have gathered from other posters over the weeks, the "future considerations" likely won't be a roster player but cap space instead. If that's the case, our hopes of acquiring an experienced blueliner to either play with Seabrook on the 2nd pair or to anchor the 3rd pair will likely be through the Hossa LTIR transaction which won't be until after the season begins.

[quote=kmw4631]

Actually not much of a problem. Here's how I did it. Marian Hossa was placed on LTIR when the team had a cap hit of $74,999,795 resulting in a relief of $5,274,795 and a cap hit of $205. The only potential problem is Jean-François Bérubé would have to go through waivers I believe.

https://www.capfriendly.c...m/armchair-gm/team/414419

From what I have gathered from other posters over the weeks, the "future considerations" likely won't be a roster player but cap space instead. If that's the case, our hopes of acquiring an experienced blueliner to either play with Seabrook on the 2nd pair or to anchor the 3rd pair will likely be through the Hossa LTIR transaction which won't be until after the season begins.
AEL_Fox

I'm not so sure about that. At the end of the day, Kruger was traded for a low draft pick. TVR was traded for a #2 pick. The point being they didn't need to offer TVR to Vegas as indiucement to take Kruger, the "market" has proven that they could have gotten rid of Kruger's contract without any sweetener. Therefore, this talk that TVR was the price for getting rid of Kruger doesnt hold water to me. The market has indicated that description is untrue.

If my thinking is right here, I believe the futre considerations from Vegas will be a real player. Nobody who will move mountains, but a solid player that will fill a role on the 2017/18 Hawks roster. And I also believe Stan negotiated that player won't come over until the Hossa LTIR is completed.

Time will tell. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it!

I'm not so sure about that. At the end of the day, Kruger was traded for a low draft pick. TVR was traded for a #2 pick. The point being they didn't need to offer TVR to Vegas as indiucement to take Kruger, the "market" has proven that they could have gotten rid of Kruger's contract without any sweetener. Therefore, this talk that TVR was the price for getting rid of Kruger doesnt hold water to me. The market has indicated that description is untrue.

If my thinking is right here, I believe the futre considerations from Vegas will be a real player. Nobody who will move mountains, but a solid player that will fill a role on the 2017/18 Hawks roster. And I also believe Stan negotiated that player won't come over until the Hossa LTIR is completed.

Time will tell. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it!
- Cmonalready

I hope that's the case, too! As much as cap space is important, I'm sure Bowman has many stakes in the fire to find ways to stay cap compliant and ways to add much needed experience on defense (and ways to explore options for LW to play with Kane and Anisimov). A single transaction doesn't have to solve all of those things, so that does give me hope that the "future considerations" from Vegas could still be a roster player.

[quote=walleyeb1]

Hossa can't be LTIR until after the 1st day of the season and all rosters have to be at 20-24 players and under $75 K a day prior at the start of the day. So Vegas would have to send at least a few D men down that are not waiver exempt before we an LTIR Hossa.

From what I have gathered from other posters over the weeks, the "future considerations" likely won't be a roster player but cap space instead. If that's the case, our hopes of acquiring an experienced blueliner to either play with Seabrook on the 2nd pair or to anchor the 3rd pair will likely be through the Hossa LTIR transaction which won't be until after the season begins.
AEL_Fox

I'm not so sure about that. At the end of the day, Kruger was traded for a low draft pick. TVR was traded for a #2 pick. The point being they didn't need to offer TVR to Vegas as indiucement to take Kruger, the "market" has proven that they could have gotten rid of Kruger's contract without any sweetener. Therefore, this talk that TVR was the price for getting rid of Kruger doesnt hold water to me. The market has indicated that description is untrue.

If my thinking is right here, I believe the futre considerations from Vegas will be a real player. Nobody who will move mountains, but a solid player that will fill a role on the 2017/18 Hawks roster. And I also believe Stan negotiated that player won't come over until the Hossa LTIR is completed.

Time will tell. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it!
- Cmonalready

The TVR trade and Kruger trade still could have been related, considering Vegas sent both players to Carolina. Both deals could have been in place together and tied together but executed separately. There could have been some handshakes on previous deals too, maybe Vegas agreeing to be the go between with the expansion draft and Carolina doing the Hawks a favor in return for the Darling for a 3rd pick.

It could be that, or it could be nothing, there are a lot of angles to consider and really no evidence of anything concrete. If the Hawks could have just traded Kruger to Carolina for a pick, I think they would have. The two GMs have worked on many deals in the past. They could have moved Kruger and let Vegas just take TVR. Or even traded TVR and let Vegas take someone else.

Personally, I don't think the "future considerations" will amount to anything of significance.

The TVR trade and Kruger trade still could have been related, considering Vegas sent both players to Carolina. Both deals could have been in place together and tied together but executed separately. There could have been some handshakes on previous deals too, maybe Vegas agreeing to be the go between with the expansion draft and Carolina doing the Hawks a favor in return for the Darling for a 3rd pick.

It could be that, or it could be nothing, there are a lot of angles to consider and really no evidence of anything concrete. If the Hawks could have just traded Kruger to Carolina for a pick, I think they would have. The two GMs have worked on many deals in the past. They could have moved Kruger and let Vegas just take TVR. Or even traded TVR and let Vegas take someone else.

Personally, I don't think the "future considerations" will amount to anything of significance.
- breadbag

When you consider the type of working relationship Bowman and Francis have had in the past, I don't think there was any intent on Francis' part to screw the Hawks out of anything.

Trades seemed to be more ones of convenience than anything else.

When you consider the type of working relationship Bowman and Francis have had in the past, I don't think there was any intent on Francis' part to screw the Hawks out of anything.

Trades seemed to be more ones of convenience than anything else.
- BINGO!

I agree with you Bingo, and frankly it does not matter if there was a wink wink nod nod. Part of the game.

[quote=kmw4631]

That's exactly what I did here, assuming no other changes until then.

https://www.capfriendly.c...m/armchair-gm/team/414419

[quote=walleyeb1] I agree that we can get cap comliant for day one and then LTIR Hossa. I meant in regard to Vegas they have 10 D men that have to clear waivers so at least 1 maybe 2 would need to sent down before we could LTIR hossa. The talk had to do with us getting one of the D since they would have to lose them if sent down. But we could not take them before rosters are set.

Svechnikov will go #1 next draft. As good as Dahlin is, Svechnikov is the best prospect of the last 30 years, not named Crosby or McDavid.
- DARKSEID

He sure might go first overall, but only if his name is Scott Free, will be worthy to be already considered in the Crosby or McDavid category he will have to be


Mister Miracle

I agree that we can get cap comliant for day one and then LTIR Hossa. I meant in regard to Vegas they have 10 D men that have to clear waivers so at least 1 maybe 2 would need to sent down before we could LTIR hossa. The talk had to do with us getting one of the D since they would have to lose them if sent down. But we could not take them before rosters are set.
- kmw4631

Technically all Vegas would have to do is send down Shea Theodore for one day to be compliant. He doesn't have to clear waivers.

Beat cancer Eddie O!!

The TVR trade and Kruger trade still could have been related, considering Vegas sent both players to Carolina. Both deals could have been in place together and tied together but executed separately. There could have been some handshakes on previous deals too, maybe Vegas agreeing to be the go between with the expansion draft and Carolina doing the Hawks a favor in return for the Darling for a 3rd pick.

It could be that, or it could be nothing, there are a lot of angles to consider and really no evidence of anything concrete. If the Hawks could have just traded Kruger to Carolina for a pick, I think they would have. The two GMs have worked on many deals in the past. They could have moved Kruger and let Vegas just take TVR. Or even traded TVR and let Vegas take someone else.

Personally, I don't think the "future considerations" will amount to anything of significance.
- breadbag

I thought it was pretty much determined that Kruger was traded later was so Chicago would pay his signing bonus instead of Vegas. That was repot One of the beat writers, Powers or Hedger, also mentioned that waiting allowed Kruger to keep his NTC, which Chicago probably wanted to happen because they 'take care of' their players.

In any case, I agree about your last sentence. Future considerations almost never amounts to anything of value and it's rarely ever an actual player. Doesn't mean it's not in this case, but look at the history of the phrase and it's almost always used as the bare minimum requirement so a trade isn't for 'nothing'. https://www.reddit.com/r/...n_a_team_receives_future/

That said, Hawks could still work out a deal with Vegas. Only McNabb, Merrill, and possibly Schmidt make much sense cap-wise and based on performance though.

I thought it was pretty much determined that Kruger was traded later was so Chicago would pay his signing bonus instead of Vegas. That was repot One of the beat writers, Powers or Hedger, also mentioned that waiting allowed Kruger to keep his NTC, which Chicago probably wanted to happen because they 'take care of' their players.

In any case, I agree about your last sentence. Future considerations almost never amounts to anything of value and it's rarely ever an actual player. Doesn't mean it's not in this case, but look at the history of the phrase and it's almost always used as the bare minimum requirement so a trade isn't for 'nothing'. https://www.reddit.com/r/...n_a_team_receives_future/

That said, Hawks could still work out a deal with Vegas. Only McNabb, Merrill, and possibly Schmidt make much sense cap-wise and based on performance though.
- L_B_R

I'd lean towards Merrill, simply because the salary is lower and he's an RFA next year. Performance-wise, I don't think there's a major difference between the three -- all are serviceable.

[quote=Slofire94]

I'm hoping that XXX is Kempney. I'd rather they put the Hossa money into the 2LW for scoring........ as opposed to 4 or 5 mil into a 4 LD. Kempney can be that 4D but must be coached up to make sound decisions, that's all. I've said it before and I'll say it again....unless 19 has a major comeback season offensively, this current team may have trouble 5 on 5 scoring goals. I am not as confident as most that Sharp and Saad will equate to Panarin and Hossa on the score sheet.

I'd lean towards Merrill, simply because the salary is lower and he's an RFA next year. Performance-wise, I don't think there's a major difference between the three -- all are serviceable.
- Hank_Greenberg

I pick Merrill for the same reasons. And while I agree all are serviceable, Merrill has been used differently than the other two over his career - much much more in the DZ and against higher QOC (with typically lower QOT). He's more of a workhorse guy who did skate top 4 minutes 5v5 (though on a bad defensive team) who is effective on the PK but isn't going to contribute much offensively like the other two. For 5v5 TOI, McNabb was 5th and Schmidt was 6th (and sat when Shattenkirk was acquired), but neither got much special teams time, including on the PP.

So which player the Hawks might like would depend on what role they want filled the most. Are they looking for an offensive or stay-at-home guy?

Don't know if the Hawks will go for another d-man, focus on a top 6 forward, or just stand pat. I am wary of them playing Forsling too much if only because he's just 21, which is young for d-men.

Thoughts, prayers and best wishes go out to Eddie O.

F*** cancer.

Thoughts, prayers and best wishes go out to Eddie O.

F*** cancer.
- 4_in_7

Big bummer to hear. Hope he beats it.

[quote=Hawkytalk]

I wonder if the Hawks give a look to a guy like Jared Cowen. Probably had for a decent contract and can still get a F too.

I wonder if the Hawks give a look to a guy like Jared Cowen. Probably had for a decent contract and can still get a F too.
- gnosox1986

No. Please no. The guy is bad and constantly hurt. I had season tickets to his junior team and he dominated due to size, but could never translate to the NHL.

I'm hoping that XXX is Kempney. I'd rather they put the Hossa money into the 2LW for scoring........ as opposed to 4 or 5 mil into a 4 LD. Kempney can be that 4D but must be coached up to make sound decisions, that's all. I've said it before and I'll say it again....unless 19 has a major comeback season offensively, this current team may have trouble 5 on 5 scoring goals. I am not as confident as most that Sharp and Saad will equate to Panarin and Hossa on the score sheet.
- Hawkytalk

It's not a 1 for 1 comparison. It's not that Saad will equal Panarin or Hossa's output...it's that he makes the entire line better and therefore the entire line scores more.

Although I do agree with you on Sharp. Not sure he brings enough to the table anymore individually or for his linemates.