I'll take it a step further.....you are what you are born with (or without).
If there is some other explanation, then EVERYTHNG I learned in school is WRONG!
- powerenforcer

Everything you learned in school is over simplified. Biology is too complex and there are too many variables for it to always come out perfect. It's not quite as common as in some other species, like birds or frogs (the latter of which has breeds that can shift gender), but biological phenomena don’t necessarily fit into human-ordained binary categories.

Like... Sometimes translocation can happen - it's when an abnormal exchange of genetic material between chromosomes occurs, causing for example a XX male mutation. Outwardly male, but genetically female. Sometimes people are born with XXX or XXY chromosomes (Klinefelter syndrome). Sometimes people are missing part of or completely an X chromosome (Turner syndrom). Sometimes people may have an XX or XY chromosome with a gene on one of them that has mutated the impact of the gene on the outward appearance (Chapelle syndrome). Etc etc. That is not to say that all people with these syndromes necessarily are transgender, but they're example of just how complex sex chromosomes can be beyond simple XX/XY.

Even if you get the correct combo of sex chromosomes, things outside that can impact outward appearance that differs from generic gender. For example, genetic women (XX) with congenital adrenal hyperplasia produce unusually high levels of virilizing hormones in utero and develop stereotypical male sexual characteristics, including male genitals. Or genetic men (XY) with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome don’t respond to male hormones and fail to develop male sexual characteristics. That's just two examples, there's so so many more. Again, these are just to show how crazy human biology and their genome are.

So yeah, human biology is a lot more complex than the basics most are taught in school. Humans have approximately 21,000 genes with over 3 billion base pairs - we may not even have scratched the surface of understanding human biology so it's no wonder it's simplified for grade schools. It's really cool how complex humans are tbh.

And I'm done with non-hockey talk, promise.

I may be wrong but I think hocktock was saying the NHL should shut up until they let women play.
- walleyeb1

If so, the apologies to hocktock for misreading.

Everything you learned in school is over simplified. Biology is too complex and there are too many variables for it to always come out perfect. It's not quite as common as in some other species, like birds or frogs (the latter of which has breeds that can shift gender), but biological phenomena don’t necessarily fit into human-ordained binary categories.

Like... Sometimes translocation can happen - it's when an abnormal exchange of genetic material between chromosomes occurs, causing for example a XX male mutation. Outwardly male, but genetically female. Sometimes people are born with XXX or XXY chromosomes (Klinefelter syndrome). Sometimes people are missing part of or completely an X chromosome (Turner syndrom). Sometimes people may have an XX or XY chromosome with a gene on one of them that has mutated the impact of the gene on the outward appearance (Chapelle syndrome). Etc etc.

Even if you get the correct combo of sex chromosomes, things outside that can impact outward appearance that differs from generic gender. For example, genetic women (XX) with congenital adrenal hyperplasia produce unusually high levels of virilizing hormones in utero and develop stereotypical male sexual characteristics, including male genitals. Or genetic men (XY) with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome don’t respond to male hormones and fail to develop male sexual characteristics. That's just two examples, there's so so many more.

So yeah, human biology is a lot more complex than the basics most are taught in school. It's really cool how complex humans are.

And I'm done with non-hockey talk, promise.
- L_B_R

Bravo

Your point about Crawford really hit home for me during the 2015 Cup Final. TB had a lot of great looks and was firing from up the slot. I think it was Marty Biron who identified the same on the NHL Network after Game 3 or 4...High quality chances.
- Al

I remember a while back that there was an article in which they discussed how positional goalies are better able to prevent goals from straight on, slot shots and would prefer being able to see them cleanly and instead have their d-men cleaning up the rebound opportunities from the side. And that some systems are determined with this in mind.

I don't know if that absolutely applies to the Hawks/Crawford, but Q has been fine with allowing more high danger shots in recent years than he did previously and that does seem by design as Crawford has improved. I mean, the Hawks teams between 2013 and 2015 were not so different, especially in terms of defense, that the shot against increase was likely more to do with system changes than personnel. I definitely remember being concerned in 2015 about how middling the Hawks were in terms of shot suppression, but it was fine because it was they cleaned up the area that gave Crawford the most trouble - mid-danger shots.

All in all, Crawford is a good one.

Bravo


- pdx2ord

Aww I wish I knew more tbh because the human genome is fascinating. I'm just a nerd who likes to read or watch show/docs about random science things in my spare time. I'm also super into dinosaurs - did you know they just named the dinosaur that is now considered the largest animal to ever walk? 152,000 pounds, almost the width of a food ball field in length, it's crazy! Titanosaur!



Back to hockey for realsies.

If so, the apologies to hocktock for misreading.
- L_B_R

No apologies needed but yes, the nhl is making it an issue.

Why?

Aww I wish I knew more tbh because the human genome is fascinating. I'm just a nerd who likes to read or watch show/docs about random science things in my spare time. I'm also super into dinosaurs - did you know they just named the dinosaur that is now considered the largest animal to ever walk? 152,000 pounds, almost the width of a food ball field in length, it's crazy! Titanosaur!



Back to hockey for realsies.
- L_B_R

They said the titanosaur is so much huger than a t-rex that it's like comparing an elephant to a lion.

I'll take it a step further.....you are what you are born with (or without).
If there is some other explanation, then EVERYTHNG I learned in school is WRONG!
- powerenforcer

Not everything you learned is wrong, but there was plenty that wasn't taught, like people born with both equipment sets and people born with neither. The statistics of suicide among trans-identified people is staggering. LGB rates are also high. Among these communities, those who come from "highly rejecting" families are over 8 times more likely to have attempted suicide. I don't think people are choosing this on a whim. Again, I applaud the NHL for taking a stand in favor of accepting people as they are (and not how other people want them to be.)

No apologies needed but yes, the nhl is making it an issue.

Why?
- hocktock

Professional sports have a history of promoting equality, on and off the field.

And, I wouldn't be surprised if some people on this board have already shared a public restroom with a trans man and didn't notice. However, if you had shared a public restroom with a trans woman who was born biologically male, you would have noticed. AND, that woman would have been at significant risk of being assaulted, based on statistics.

It isn't the NHL making an issue of this, it is the politicians who thrive on finding ways to divide the country so they can go about their backroom deals.

Okay, I'm back to hockey now too.
Can we get a trade rumor or something please?

Professional sports have a history of promoting equality, on and off the field.

And, I wouldn't be surprised if some people on this board have already shared a public restroom with a trans man and didn't notice. However, if you had shared a public restroom with a trans woman who was born biologically male, you would have noticed. AND, that woman would have been at significant risk of being assaulted, based on statistics.

It isn't the NHL making an issue of this, it is the politicians who thrive on finding ways to divide the country so they can go about their backroom deals.

Okay, I'm back to hockey now too.
Can we get a trade rumor or something please?
- matt_ahrens

Sorry. It's a poke in the eye to mainstream America. If they force me to choose between my country and my sport, sorry. My country wins. This was not an issue until they made it one and I won't mention the great divider that made this an issue in America. Our common bond on this site is hockey and that should be what the nhl focuses on. Not politics.

Even if Bettman is transgender.

Everything you learned in school is over simplified. Biology is too complex and there are too many variables for it to always come out perfect. It's not quite as common as in some other species, like birds or frogs (the latter of which has breeds that can shift gender), but biological phenomena don’t necessarily fit into human-ordained binary categories.

Like... Sometimes translocation can happen - it's when an abnormal exchange of genetic material between chromosomes occurs, causing for example a XX male mutation. Outwardly male, but genetically female. Sometimes people are born with XXX or XXY chromosomes (Klinefelter syndrome). Sometimes people are missing part of or completely an X chromosome (Turner syndrom). Sometimes people may have an XX or XY chromosome with a gene on one of them that has mutated the impact of the gene on the outward appearance (Chapelle syndrome). Etc etc. That is not to say that all people with these syndromes necessarily are transgender, but they're example of just how complex sex chromosomes can be beyond simple XX/XY.

Even if you get the correct combo of sex chromosomes, things outside that can impact outward appearance that differs from generic gender. For example, genetic women (XX) with congenital adrenal hyperplasia produce unusually high levels of virilizing hormones in utero and develop stereotypical male sexual characteristics, including male genitals. Or genetic men (XY) with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome don’t respond to male hormones and fail to develop male sexual characteristics. That's just two examples, there's so so many more. Again, these are just to show how crazy human biology and their genome are.

So yeah, human biology is a lot more complex than the basics most are taught in school. Humans have approximately 21,000 genes with over 3 billion base pairs - we may not even have scratched the surface of understanding human biology so it's no wonder it's simplified for grade schools. It's really cool how complex humans are tbh.

And I'm done with non-hockey talk, promise.
- L_B_R

I respect your argument, BUT do not consider the exception the rule. Simple fact, Man or Woman. Period.

Everything you learned in school is over simplified. Biology is too complex and there are too many variables for it to always come out perfect. It's not quite as common as in some other species, like birds or frogs (the latter of which has breeds that can shift gender), but biological phenomena don’t necessarily fit into human-ordained binary categories.

Like... Sometimes translocation can happen - it's when an abnormal exchange of genetic material between chromosomes occurs, causing for example a XX male mutation. Outwardly male, but genetically female. Sometimes people are born with XXX or XXY chromosomes (Klinefelter syndrome). Sometimes people are missing part of or completely an X chromosome (Turner syndrom). Sometimes people may have an XX or XY chromosome with a gene on one of them that has mutated the impact of the gene on the outward appearance (Chapelle syndrome). Etc etc. That is not to say that all people with these syndromes necessarily are transgender, but they're example of just how complex sex chromosomes can be beyond simple XX/XY.

Even if you get the correct combo of sex chromosomes, things outside that can impact outward appearance that differs from generic gender. For example, genetic women (XX) with congenital adrenal hyperplasia produce unusually high levels of virilizing hormones in utero and develop stereotypical male sexual characteristics, including male genitals. Or genetic men (XY) with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome don’t respond to male hormones and fail to develop male sexual characteristics. That's just two examples, there's so so many more. Again, these are just to show how crazy human biology and their genome are.

So yeah, human biology is a lot more complex than the basics most are taught in school. Humans have approximately 21,000 genes with over 3 billion base pairs - we may not even have scratched the surface of understanding human biology so it's no wonder it's simplified for grade schools. It's really cool how complex humans are tbh.

And I'm done with non-hockey talk, promise.
- L_B_R

You're trying to explain the nuances of chromosomal development to a guy who still thinks the refs are out to get the Hawks because of Lysiak. Sisyphus comes to mind ....

Everything you learned in school is over simplified. Biology is too complex and there are too many variables for it to always come out perfect. It's not quite as common as in some other species, like birds or frogs (the latter of which has breeds that can shift gender), but biological phenomena don’t necessarily fit into human-ordained binary categories.

Like... Sometimes translocation can happen - it's when an abnormal exchange of genetic material between chromosomes occurs, causing for example a XX male mutation. Outwardly male, but genetically female. Sometimes people are born with XXX or XXY chromosomes (Klinefelter syndrome). Sometimes people are missing part of or completely an X chromosome (Turner syndrom). Sometimes people may have an XX or XY chromosome with a gene on one of them that has mutated the impact of the gene on the outward appearance (Chapelle syndrome). Etc etc. That is not to say that all people with these syndromes necessarily are transgender, but they're example of just how complex sex chromosomes can be beyond simple XX/XY.

Even if you get the correct combo of sex chromosomes, things outside that can impact outward appearance that differs from generic gender. For example, genetic women (XX) with congenital adrenal hyperplasia produce unusually high levels of virilizing hormones in utero and develop stereotypical male sexual characteristics, including male genitals. Or genetic men (XY) with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome don’t respond to male hormones and fail to develop male sexual characteristics. That's just two examples, there's so so many more. Again, these are just to show how crazy human biology and their genome are.

So yeah, human biology is a lot more complex than the basics most are taught in school. Humans have approximately 21,000 genes with over 3 billion base pairs - we may not even have scratched the surface of understanding human biology so it's no wonder it's simplified for grade schools. It's really cool how complex humans are tbh.

And I'm done with non-hockey talk, promise.
- L_B_R

Just like individual people, societies are also very complex - not polarized into two camps on every issue - like politicians and strict ideologies would have it.

Opposing the Netanyahu government's actions does not mean opposing the Israeli state, just like opposing the Trump (or Obama or an aborted Clinton presidency) administration does not mean treasonously opposing the US.

Favoring sensible and reasonable (in the eye of the beholder, to be sure) gun control regulations does not mean opposing the 2nd amendment.

Supporting much of the BLM "agenda" does not mean opposing those police who protect us on the street.

Supporting gay marriage and other queer issues is not a war on religion - only on the actions of those - religion based or not - who would discriminate against others. Supporting the right of those to use the bathroom of heir nature does not mean supporting dirty old men who want to take advantage of little girls.

We used to understand these things here - we seem to have lost our ability to do so.

Just like individual people, societies are also very complex - not polarized into two camps on every issue - like politicians and strict ideologies would have it.

Opposing the Netanyahu government's actions does not mean opposing the Israeli state, just like opposing the Trump (or Obama or an aborted Clinton presidency) administration does not mean treasonously opposing the US.

Favoring sensible and reasonable (in the eye of the beholder, to be sure) gun control regulations does not mean opposing the 2nd amendment.

Supporting much of the BLM "agenda" does not mean opposing those police who protect us on the street.

Supporting gay marriage and other queer issues is not a war on religion - only on the actions of those - religion based or not - who would discriminate against others. Supporting the right of those to use the bathroom of heir nature does not mean supporting dirty old men who want to take advantage of little girls.

We used to understand these things here - we seem to have lost our ability to do so.
- StLBravesFan

"Applause"...."Applause"...."Applause".......

In today's Athletic, Powers says that Bondra - at 20 - will return to the Prince George Cougars in the WHA next season.

What progression is likely for a 20 year old in junior hockey playing against 16-18 year olds?

And - what is the age limit for the juniors?

Powers also says that Jokijarju may miss training camp because of his knee injury - he would return directly to Portland when healed.

Our boys ain't doing so good. Start of the 2nd period USA vs Finland in the 5th place game of the Ivan Hlinka Tournament. http://www.hokej.cz/tv/hokejka/video/2548

In today's Athletic, Powers says that Bondra - at 20 - will return to the Prince George Cougars in the WHA next season.

What progression is likely for a 20 year old in junior hockey playing against 16-18 year olds?

And - what is the age limit for the juniors?

Powers also says that Jokijarju may miss training camp because of his knee injury - he would return directly to Portland when healed.
- StLBravesFan

He needs to be 20 by December 31st of that season or have completed 4 yrs of jr hockey IF he was drafted while playing in the CHL (OHL, QMJHL, WHL). 10th paragraph: http://thepinkpuck.com/20...y-in-minor-league-hockey/

Sorry. It's a poke in the eye to mainstream America. If they force me to choose between my country and my sport, sorry. My country wins. This was not an issue until they made it one and I won't mention the great divider that made this an issue in America. Our common bond on this site is hockey and that should be what the nhl focuses on. Not politics.

Even if Bettman is transgender.
- hocktock

lol wut? Why does this have anything to do with your country? It's about who you piss next to. Who cares?

I respect your argument, BUT do not consider the exception the rule. Simple fact, Man or Woman. Period.
- powerenforcer

Even if you feel that way, why does it matter who's dropping a deuce in the next stall?

I'm already missing Hossa.
- 35Tony0

Agreed. We are far better with him than without him. I like a third line of Sharp, Schmaltz and Hoss. But that ship has sailed. Or has it really? What if we LTIR him, don't use his cap space, they find something that can treat his issues, and he comes back to play the second half of the season? He has to miss at least 10 games and 24 days off roster. Is it farfetched...yes, it is. But anything is possible....especially if the Hawks find that the options to use his cap space on are not that great.

Just like individual people, societies are also very complex - not polarized into two camps on every issue - like politicians and strict ideologies would have it.

Opposing the Netanyahu government's actions does not mean opposing the Israeli state, just like opposing the Trump (or Obama or an aborted Clinton presidency) administration does not mean treasonously opposing the US.

Favoring sensible and reasonable (in the eye of the beholder, to be sure) gun control regulations does not mean opposing the 2nd amendment.

Supporting much of the BLM "agenda" does not mean opposing those police who protect us on the street.

Supporting gay marriage and other queer issues is not a war on religion - only on the actions of those - religion based or not - who would discriminate against others. Supporting the right of those to use the bathroom of heir nature does not mean supporting dirty old men who want to take advantage of little girls.

We used to understand these things here - we seem to have lost our ability to do so.
- StLBravesFan

Bet you already read this, but if not something your mind will enjoy: https://www.theatlantic.c...r.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Even if you feel that way, why does it matter who's dropping a deuce in the next stall?
- BINGO!

So camera's in washrooms are ok?

So camera's in washrooms are ok?
- powerenforcer

How is that ever remotely the same thing....?

How is that ever remotely the same thing....?
- BINGO!

Really? You have the nerve to ask that?

Sorry. It's a poke in the eye to mainstream America. If they force me to choose between my country and my sport, sorry. My country wins. This was not an issue until they made it one and I won't mention the great divider that made this an issue in America. Our common bond on this site is hockey and that should be what the nhl focuses on. Not politics.

Even if Bettman is transgender.
- hocktock

You realize it wasn't the NHL or any sports that made it an issue, right? It was certain lawmakers who suddenly decided it was an issue despite the fact that it wasn't ever in the past. The sports and entertainment orgs are just reacting to those laws.

The excuse of 'protecting women and kids' is bs too - transgender people have been using their identifed bathrooms for decades and it was never an issue before. There are far more cases of transgender people being attacked that the reverse in bathrooms (if any for the latter). There also has been no spike in assaults in bathrooms in any city/state/district that had non-discriminatory laws, debunking the idea that suddenly men dressed as women would enter bathrooms to attack women or vice versa. Maine has had such has had gender identity protections in its state civil rights law for more than 11 years and they haven't had a single incident of either a transgender person attacking someone or someone pretending to be transgender doing so on record. Why create a law to supposedly correct a problem that doesn't exist and shows no signs of existing in the future?

The fact that over 200 national, state and local organizations across the U.S. that work with sexual assault and domestic violence survivors strongly objecting such bathroom laws should tell you all you need to know. The people making the fuss over gender identities are those who are disconnected from the facts. So it's lawmakers who made it an issue, not sports orgs. Sports orgs are just reacting to it.

Honestly, I don't get it. Live and let live.